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Title: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Sunday 20 June 21 15:10 BST (UK)
Can anyone make out what the first name of the second baptism witness is ? "----- Doyle" (underlined in black)
That first letter has got me stumped, and I cannot find a similar letter on other pages.
The record is here if you want to see more of that handwriting https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9Z5-KQPK?i=552&cc=2155416
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 20 June 21 15:39 BST (UK)
Joseph Bernard  :-\

Sorry wrong one!  :-[
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 20 June 21 15:41 BST (UK)
Looking at other P's on the page it could be the first letter  :-\
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: shanreagh on Sunday 20 June 21 19:21 BST (UK)
Looks like Oliver.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: craggagh on Sunday 20 June 21 19:29 BST (UK)
Hello -

Although the first letter looks nothing like an E, it could maybe be Eimer, possibly misspelt.

craggagh.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Sunday 20 June 21 20:31 BST (UK)
Thanks for those suggestions.
It's frustrating not knowing what that name is for sure, because I'm struggling with the Doyle ancestors (the father was born in Dublin), so it would be useful to discover another relative in SA.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: sparrett on Monday 21 June 21 04:21 BST (UK)
Weiner ?

Sue
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 21 June 21 11:45 BST (UK)
Annie or Onnie? (Onnie short for Honor?)
It should be a female name.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Sandblown on Monday 21 June 21 11:57 BST (UK)
My Wife's Irish Uncle, named Owen, was always addressed as Uncle Onnie
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Skoosh on Monday 21 June 21 12:02 BST (UK)
Oliver

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Monday 21 June 21 13:23 BST (UK)
Am getting cross-eyed staring at that name !! especially after all the different suggestions - for which many thanks.The line followed for the first letter does seem closest to the writer's capital P - and the last two letters look like "er" to me.
Like Maiden Stone, I also think it should be a female, so tried searching for James Sutting/Sutling(?) on the offchance that she was his wife - clutching at straws.
Back to staring again ............... :)
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 22 June 21 13:18 BST (UK)
I only know about godparents for Catholic and Anglican children. If 2 godparents are chosen they should be 1 of each gender. Was it the same for Reformed churches? Were second godparents for other baptisms female?
Presumably she was a relative of the child's father.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Tuesday 22 June 21 15:56 BST (UK)
Yes, at least one of each gender seems to have been the norm for Dutch Reformed Church as well. And it seems very likely indeed that she was a relative of the father, so I was really hoping she'd provide a clue in tracing his parents - if I could just work out what her first name was.
 
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 22 June 21 19:55 BST (UK)
I can't fully make out Hester Elisabeth's surname beyond seeing that it looks Dutch/Afrikaans rather than English/Irish. However, while a mother's maiden name might be recorded at a baptism, a godmother's may well not be.

So, if Joseph Bernard Doyle had a brother who also married an Afrikaner, and this woman was chosen as a godparent, could we be looking at an Afrikaans female forename?
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Tuesday 22 June 21 21:09 BST (UK)
Yes, that might be a possibility - although it was the norm in the DRC for women to retain their maiden names. But even a Doyle sister-in-law might be a useful clue.
P.S. Hester Elisabeth's surname was Grimbeek.
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Forguette on Tuesday 29 June 21 16:46 BST (UK)
Could it be Prud with squiggle meaning abbreviation for Prudence?
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Tuesday 29 June 21 16:56 BST (UK)
I'll have a search to see if I can find a Prudence Doyle.
I'd actually given up .... but now you've got me started/staring again  ;D
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 29 June 21 17:07 BST (UK)
I've just had another look now too - could it be Diner, ie a misspelling of Dinah?
Title: Re: Baptism witness name
Post by: Kinsy on Tuesday 29 June 21 20:16 BST (UK)
Yes, that's a possibility - thanks.