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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: PaulThommo on Tuesday 22 June 21 12:55 BST (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters, apologies if this has been shown before, hopefully not.
It's nice to know that someone else had problems trying to work it all out!!! ;D
Enjoy your day. Thommo
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Love it ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one! ;D ;D ;D
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That looks like what I'm working on at the moment :)
OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
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ooh so their half siblings were also their aunts and uncles? That would confuse and Ancestry DNA test.
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ooh so their half siblings were also their aunts and uncles? That would confuse and Ancestry DNA test.
Thank you Pharma, that makes it easier for my OH to understand. :) As for a DNA test, I'm just glad that the bigamist is on the other side of the family.
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
Was that legal? :o
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
Was that legal? :o
Would depend if she had grown up in the household and been under 16 while he was her step father. Then it would be illegal. if she had grown up elsewhere as part of another family then I think it would have been legal
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Legal or not, many people ignored such conventions. It was against the law for a man to marry is deceased wife’s sister, but many did, I have several in my tree. They would often marry in another parish where they were not known, but I have one such marriage which took place in the same parish as the man’s first marriage, both performed by the same vicar.
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
Was that legal? :o
Would depend if she had grown up in the household and been under 16 while he was her step father. Then it would be illegal. if she had grown up elsewhere as part of another family then I think it would have been legal
That's my understanding too.
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
Was that legal? :o
I doubt it ;D
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
I've got a similar one -
Smith senior married Wife 1 and had one child, Smith junior.
Wife 1 died while Smith junior was a teenager.
Smith senior married Wife 2 - a younger woman.
Wife 2 had a child.
Smith senior died.
Smith junior and Wife 2 married; his little half-brother was brought up as his son and the parents went on to have half a dozen more children!
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Some of you may remember my postings where I described my visits to a medium/clairvoyant some two decades ago, when she tried to help me find ancestors by giving me clues about them.
e.g. His PALS called him "Harry" but he preferred his real name "Henry", she then described what he was wearing. That's how I discovered my maternal grandmother's oldest brother Henry had joined the local Yorkshire Army Pals Regiment and was killed in action WWI.
I've found that the goldsmith and the tinsmith she mentioned were the "Shirras" family up in Aberdeen and the high class shoemaker was in my mother's Norfolk branch
One of the clues to another ancestor mentioned a forefather who whittled wood. As yet I haven't come across a carpenter in my branch - until tonight when I was looking to see if an old building that belonged to my father's M'kenzie branch was still standing
and here is the wood whittler himself .... "Coinneach na Cuirc"
although I'll first have to find documentation for the intervening 200 years before I get back to:-
"Coinneach na Cuirc" = "Kenneth Mackenzie of the Whittle" 1513-1568 ;D :o
As we say in common parlance = "Gotcha"
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
Was that legal? :o
That depends on what you call legal, are you referring to civil law or ecclesiastical law?
It broke ecclesiastical law but under civil law from 1533 the marriage was voidable but not void, that changed in 1907 when the law changed and marriage to ones wife sister was finally fully legalised.
See http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qrs/
Cheers
Guy
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I use Family Tree Maker 2019 and at the moment am engrossed in going sideways and every other which way to try and find the right Elizabeth Hill. Thank goodness FTM works out the relationship of all these people on the far end of the twigs of my tree. Today one person I added turns out to be the wife of the brother-in-law of the aunt of the wife of the nephew of the husband of my 9th great aunt ;D so not really related!
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OH's 3xgt grandfather married and had 5 children, first wife dies, he then marries the illegitimate daughter of his first wife and had a further 8 children :o
Was that legal? :o
The illegitimate daughter would be His stepdaughter. According to the link below and assuming this was in the 19th Century, the answer is, that it was not legal.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5NiHAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=in+the+19th+Century+could+a+man+marry+his+stepdaughter&source=bl&ots=VDG74PHCBA&sig=ACfU3U1ifEu5a14Z4FzG_aD5vvmt7sTmCg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiO85r29uDyAhWYh_0HHSGOBVYQ6AF6BAg1EAI#v=onepage&q=in%20the%2019th%20Century%20could%20a%20man%20marry%20his%20stepdaughter&f=false