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Title: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Monday 28 June 21 09:04 BST (UK)
New member, first post:

I've only been doing this for a few months, and keep getting stuck with one Mr Elusive.
Samuel Housley, born 1816, Smalley, Derbyshire. Parents William Housley and Ellen Carrington.
Married Elizabeth Brookes in 1844 in Wolverhampton. Had 3 daughters before wife died in 1849.
1850 sentenced to one month hard labour for failing to maintain his 3 children (reason for 2 daughters admittance to Belper workhouse: father in prison, June 1850. My gr gr grandmother the youngest daughter Catherine born six weeks before mothers death was lodging with the Bennistons in Heanor on 1851 and 1861 census)

Can not find a death for him anywhere, but he appears on daughter Elizabeths marriage in 1873 in Liverpool as father (and does not say deceased, can I assume that means he is still alive?)

He was a plumber and glazier.

Can't find him on any census though!
Possibly on 1861 Walsall/Darlaston census as a lodger but has been transcribed as Hosty although looks like Hosly.
No sign of him on 1841, 1851, or 1871 census and I've looked and looked, and can't find a death for him either.

Would very much appreciate any help trying to find him after 1850!
Thank you
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: jim1 on Monday 28 June 21 14:12 BST (UK)
Hello & welcome
Well I've had a look for him & like you I'm not finding much.
Have his family in 1841 but he's not with them.
Possibly in the Army but I don't see a service record for him
but that doesn't mean to say he wasn't.
The 1861 census looks like him.
His death cert. may have an incorrect age as this would have only
been as good as the informant knew it & his name may have been misspelt.
As he seems to be on his own there's nothing keeping him in one place.
There aren't any deaths under any variant in Staffs. 1861-91 but there are several in Derbys.
It wasn't compulsory to state if he was deceased on a marriage cert.
So pretty much an impossible task trying to pin someone down when they are transient & not
with other family members.
Not the answer you're looking for I know.
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: spendlove on Monday 28 June 21 16:10 BST (UK)
Hello,

Welcome.

Wonder if you could give details of where you have the information that Samuel was in prison 1850,
For failing to maintain children?  Have failed to find in newspapers.

Are these the correct children born to Samuel and Elizabeth

Elizabeth sept. Q 1845
Mary Ann mar Q 1847
Catherine mar Q 1849. All registered Belper

Reason I ask is that the GRO on line. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results

States that the first 2 were born in Belper Union, which appears to be the workhouse, so prior to an 1850 conviction.

Spendlove

Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 28 June 21 16:15 BST (UK)

Reason I ask is that the GRO on line. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results

States that the first 2 were born in Belper Union, which appears to be the workhouse, so prior to an 1850 conviction.

Spendlove

Freebmd lists them as just Belper.  GRO website often has 'Union' added after their districts, this did not mean it was a workhouse entry
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: jim1 on Monday 28 June 21 16:42 BST (UK)
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Wonder if you could give details of where you have the information that Samuel was in prison 1850
It came from a newspaper cutting dated May 1850.
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Monday 28 June 21 17:06 BST (UK)


Wonder if you could give details of where you have the information that Samuel was in prison 1850,
For failing to maintain children?  Have failed to find in newspapers.

Are these the correct children born to Samuel and Elizabeth

Elizabeth sept. Q 1845
Mary Ann mar Q 1847
Catherine mar Q 1849. All registered Belper

Thank you for your reply. Yes, those are the 3 daughters that were born in Smalley/Horsley.  I looked through some 600 pages of Belper workhouse records and found that Mary Ann and Elizabeth were admitted in June 1850, the reason was "father in prison". I looked and looked to find prison records and have not found them yest, but eventually found a newspaper clipping from the Derbyshire Courier 18th May 1850: Samuel Housley, of Smalley, one month and hard labour, for neglecting to maintain his three children.

Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Monday 28 June 21 17:17 BST (UK)
There aren't any deaths under any variant in Staffs. 1861-91 but there are several in Derbys.
It wasn't compulsory to state if he was deceased on a marriage cert.
So pretty much an impossible task trying to pin someone down when they are transient & not
with other family members.
Not the answer you're looking for I know.


Thank you Jim1,

I think we've ruled out the Derbyshire deaths that we've come across so far.
At least now I know I haven't missed something obvious!

many thanks
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: spendlove on Monday 28 June 21 18:06 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie99

Thanks for that, wonder why some entries at GRO state Union and others donít, expect like everything it depended who actually recorded the entry.

Jim1,

Even knowing it was a May 1850 entry, I still cannot find, however using FindMyPast so perhaps not included.

Spendlove
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Comberton on Monday 28 June 21 18:17 BST (UK)
Derbyshire Courier 18th May 1850
(http://)
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Monday 28 June 21 19:12 BST (UK)
I looked through British Newspaper archives I don't know how many times, and missed it. Someone on a Genealogy group on fb found it. I managed to find it myself only by narrowing it down to May 1850 (once I knew).  It's almost as if Samuel Housley hides at every opportunity!
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: shanreagh on Tuesday 29 June 21 04:04 BST (UK)
Hopefully you are searching for the variations of spelling for the surname.  The newspaper extract has his name as Housely. :)

Spelling was fairly fluid in those times. 
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Daisypetal on Monday 26 July 21 22:46 BST (UK)

Hi,

Could be Samuel in 1871?


1871
Henley in Arden, Warwickshire       (Registration district:  Stratford Upon Avon)
Henley East Side

Samuel HORSLEY    Lodger    Unm    58    Painter    Kidsley Derbyshire

Living in the household of John EDKINS


Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 27 July 21 01:44 BST (UK)
Here is a possible in 1861 census.
A widower, a plumber, birthplace Heanor is 2 miles from Smalley.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5d95f1a0f4040b5efcadae5c/samuel-hosley-1861-staffordshire-darlaston-1819-?locale=en
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Tuesday 27 July 21 06:31 BST (UK)
Thank you very much, will  look into the one in 1871! We had already found the 1861 one. Many thanks!
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Tuesday 27 July 21 20:26 BST (UK)
DaisyPetal thank you so much! I am pretty sure the 1871 is him, thank you! (He was born at Kidsley Grange Farm)
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 27 July 21 23:54 BST (UK)
Hi,


There is a death for a Samuel HORSLEY later that year,


Samuel HORSLEY    Dec Q 1871    Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire    6d  372
Age:    69


The age is 10 years out but it could be a transcription error when the info was sent to the GRO or the informant could have thought he was 69. 

But it could be a different Samuel   :-\ :) 



Just found this, yet another spelling,

Samuel HARSLAY
Age:  69
Death Date:  15 Dec 1871
Residence Place:  Union Workhouse,  Warwickshire
Page   199


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGD2-26V4
 
Daisy
Title: Re: Samuel Housley
Post by: Blithe on Wednesday 28 July 21 06:09 BST (UK)
Daisy, thank you again, will check these out. Much appreciated!

Tracy