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Title: Family Historian Help
Post by: littlefacey on Tuesday 29 June 21 13:34 BST (UK)
Hello!

So i'm trying to create a PDF of a family tree to send off to the printers but i'm having a few problems... the direct ancestor always duplicates to the side with a dotted line rather then in the original place (i hope this makes sense)

Can anyone advise on how to stop this from happening?
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 29 June 21 14:14 BST (UK)
What method did you use as I can't seem to create the same problem?
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: littlefacey on Tuesday 29 June 21 14:17 BST (UK)
What method did you use as I can't seem to create the same problem?


I selected CHARTS on the toolbar and then ALL RELATIVES  ??? ???
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 29 June 21 14:42 BST (UK)
I have got one diagram where my direct ancestors are brought down just below their siblings to show that they married but they aren't duplicated.
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 29 June 21 14:45 BST (UK)
I selected the root person, then clicked on 'all relatives' from the top bar.
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 30 June 21 08:30 BST (UK)
Hello!

So i'm trying to create a PDF of a family tree to send off to the printers but i'm having a few problems... the direct ancestor always duplicates to the side with a dotted line rather then in the original place (i hope this makes sense)

Can anyone advise on how to stop this from happening?

If it helps, I don't think it is duplication as such, but rather a layout design feature.

JJT is the oldest child (b.1809) so they want to place him on the left.  But to display his marriage and father-in-law without crossing lines he needs to be furthest right. So the "James John Taylor" on the left is just a placeholder (with no details), linked by the dotted line to where his information and marriage are actually displayed on the right.

If so, then I would be looking for some kind of option under 'CHARTS' to either avoid crossing lines, or to always have the placement of direct ancestors to the right, and then switch it off.

You could test my theory by temporarily changing JJT's DoB to 1817 (making his natural place furthest right) to see whether the 'duplication' and dotted line then disappear.  That way you'll know for sure why it is happening, even if there is no option to change it.
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 30 June 21 08:33 BST (UK)
Of course it's a layout issue, Nick.

Do you use Family Historian?

Littlefacey - who did you use as your base person?


Gadget
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: phil57 on Wednesday 30 June 21 08:43 BST (UK)
The dotted "crossing lines" only appear in All Relatives Diagrams and are dependent on each individual tree. In your example James John TAYLOR, being the youngest child of John & Phoebe, is correctly placed to the left of his younger siblings. But FH has determined that to link him to his wife in that location would, due to other individuals in the tree and their relationships, mean that the diagram would need a much larger area to be displayed in, and may become more complex and difficult to visualise in other ways. So it creates a "proxy box" as the original location for James, and moves his primary box to a suitable location where he can be placed next to his wife, her ancestors and their children without greatly increasing the overall size of the diagram.

If you had created the chart with the individuals displayed within their own boxes, you would find that the box for James in its original location to the left of his siblings would be greyed out (a proxy box), with the connecting line (the dotted line) linking it to a fully formed box next to his wife. By not displaying the individuals within boxes, the proxy and new locations for James are less obvious.

Crossing lines only appear in All Relatives diagrams, and I don't think they can be turned off. It might be possible to eliminate the crossing line by experimenting with moving James to a different location (dragging his "box" around the diagram) but you may find that has other more undesirable consequences.

Another alternative would be to use the Ancestor and Descendant diagram, rather than the All Relatives Diagram. It rather depends on the extent of the tree you are trying to show.

If you want expert help with FH, you might want to try the Family Historian User Group forum at https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/index.php
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 30 June 21 08:46 BST (UK)
Check your Diagram options. Are they like this:

Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: phil57 on Wednesday 30 June 21 08:54 BST (UK)
Check your Diagram options. Are they like this:

Crossing Lines (dotted lines linking proxy boxes) are a feature of the All Relatives Diagram which I don't think can be turned off. You can alter their appearance in the diagram preferences, by changing the format of the dotted line, or even making it a sold line, but FH will always display proxy boxes and connecting lines in an All Relatives Diagram if it determines that it is necessary. If you change the dotted crossing lines to appear as solid lines, identical to all the other connecting lines in the diagram, it will be even more confusing.

The alternative is to select a different diagram type, as I mentioned above. But worth asking in the FHUG forum if you want to be certain if their are alternative options in formatting the All Relatives Diagram how you would like it to appear.
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 30 June 21 09:02 BST (UK)
I've just tried again to get the dotted lines by using a different root but I don't seem to get them. Maybe my tree is such that it doesn't need them!  I do have a case of an eldest son marrying a youngest daughter. They are just displayed as slightly lower than their sibs and a solid line links them.   There is an option for using solid lines rather than dots.



Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 30 June 21 09:23 BST (UK)
Of course it's a layout issue, Nick.

Do you use Family Historian?

Littlefacey - who did you use as your base person?


Gadget

No need to be so rude Gadget.

'Duplication' could be actual duplication in the data, a software bug, or a layout issue.

An inability by others to create the same problem would normally point to the first two.

And if the answer was so obviously a layout issue, it would be easy to recreate it.


I hope you get the right result soon Littlefacey.
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 30 June 21 09:32 BST (UK)
Nick - I wasn't being rude. Just stating a fact and asking you if you use FH.

Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: phil57 on Wednesday 30 June 21 09:35 BST (UK)
I don't know if you can read this without being a member, but if so it may help:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19121

and

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/diagramoptionsdialogproxiestab.html
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 30 June 21 09:44 BST (UK)
Good links, Phil. I think they explain the problem  :)

Add - Could this be the solution for littlefacey:


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.... I have selected my earliest male ancestor, my 4 x great grandfather as ROOT, selected an ALL RELATIVES DIAGRAM and the dotted lines have disappeared, siblings are in order as are the spouses. The tree appears as I had hoped/expected. Just need to refine the chart and save it. Thank you again for your help.

Last post in Phil's first link

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19121
Title: Re: Family Historian Help
Post by: littlefacey on Wednesday 30 June 21 12:32 BST (UK)
Thank you for all your feedback.. i'll have a good look through the links you have provided :)

I just wanted to make sure that when i create it into a PDF file to send to the printers they dont print the proxy boxes.