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Title: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: chempat on Friday 02 July 21 09:01 BST (UK)
2 queries:

1) At a wedding if the bridesmaid(s) was/were reported in the newspaper as wearing a gold or silver bracelet or necklace, gift of the groom, would it be proper gold (or silver)?

2) If the mother of the bride or groom was wearing a fur coat, fur hat and crocodile accessories, would all those be real?  If just a fur-trimmed collar - what that be real fur?

I have tried google searching, but think I need pointing to a decent historical study of the rise and fall of furs, and wedding gifts, which probably exist but outside my normal searches.

Thank-you
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gadget on Friday 02 July 21 09:33 BST (UK)
There really is no way of knowing whether the newspaper reports are correct as they were most likely written by one of the family. I would think that they were most likely correct.

 When I was a bridesmaid in the 1950s, I was given a silver bracelet. I also remember some women wearing furs and crocodile skin accessories. These were not 'posh' weddings.
 
I also remember being told by an aunt that  the groom often bought pairs of leather gloves for the respective mothers in the 1930s-40s.

Gadget
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 02 July 21 10:09 BST (UK)
I don't know about the bracelets, etc. but I would hazard a guess that they would be genuine gold or silver.

Fur coats, etc. would definitely be genuine fur, even if only rabbit fur.  I've got a fur jacket hanging in my wardrobe - I can't remember when I bought it, but as it was made in Manchester, I'm assuming it was the late 1960's when we moved to Cheadle Hulme.  I also remember that I converted a silver fox stole (complete with head and tail) into a hat/bonnet which fastened under the chin and which appears to have been fashionable in the 1950's when I was a teenager.   
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gillg on Friday 02 July 21 10:56 BST (UK)
Animal fur was a frequent trimming for dressy outfits back then.  My mother wore a mink trimmed suit at my brother's wedding in the 1950s.  Aunt and grandmother dressed up with their fur stoles and mink coats in the 50s and 60s.  I remember buying some crocodile shoes in the mid-1960s (no, not crocs!)  and converting a leopard-type fur collar into a pillbox hat around the same time.  We just never thought about the ethics of wild animal killing back then.  Little girls sometimes wore gloves backed with rabbit fur (but then the rabbit carcases were probably eaten as well, so you could justify that in the same way that calfskin accessories were and still are made from the skin of animals that are killed for food.  Think of sheepskin rugs, too, pigskin bags, the American Indians' deerskin clothing and the Inuits' sealskin outfits.)  When my aunt died in the 1980s I couldn't give away her mink coat and later when I was working in a charity shop we had a woman who accepted fur coats to be exported to Russia and other East-European countries, where fur coats were accepted for their warmth.

I'm pretty sure that the silver or gold items would have been genuine silver and gold.  I received a silver charm bracelet to which I added so many charms, given to me as birthday or Christmas presents, that it became almost too heavy to wear.

1941 weddings were often low-budget affairs, with servicemen using their leave to get married at short notice.  Some of my family brides from that time often wore a suit and of course there are tales of wedding dresses being made from parachute silk or existing wedding dresses, usually from another family member, being altered to fit a new bride.

p.s. At my wedding in 1968 there wasn't a trace of fur to be seen.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: chempat on Friday 02 July 21 13:15 BST (UK)
In the first 9 weddings that I have looked at in 1969, in January and February, the mothers' outfits have been described for 11 of them, and 6 were wearing fur in some form.

My obvious next research must be when did artificial fur become popular?

I wonder how many of the bridesmaids kept their gifts. (Gadget?)

Hi, BumbleB,  I used to go to school in Cheadle Hulme.  We moved from Hertfordshire, where my sister and I had both been going to a mixed school, to Cheshire, and refused to go to the nearest school in Wilmslow as it was single-sex.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 02 July 21 14:06 BST (UK)
Hi chempat.  Our official address was C H but we actually lived nearer to Bramhall - the Hursthead estate between Ack Lane and Acre Lane, and not too far from where George Best lived.

Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: suey on Friday 02 July 21 14:30 BST (UK)

Two of my aunts appear in 1950s wedding photographs wearing fur coats . Another has a fox fur stole, the ones with the heads and feet on. Again in the early 50ís four weddings and all the brides are wearing the same dress, it was passed around the family. The brides just wore different head dresses.

I myself had a faux fur coat in the early 1970ís, it was supposed to look like pony :o
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: chempat on Friday 02 July 21 14:34 BST (UK)
BumbleB,

I remember seeing pictures of the outside of his house, found an article:

https://www.houseandgarden.co.uk/gallery/george-best-house

Sorry, suey, I agree about the pony, and laughed.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gadget on Friday 02 July 21 14:39 BST (UK)
I don't have my bracelet anymore - I think an 8 year old's wrist just grew or I lost it when moving to London.  I do recall having a ? real fur bonnet in the  mid-1960s and a faux fur coat in 1968.

I married in 1967 and wore a cream wool and silk mini dress (from Fenwick in Bond Street)
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gillg on Friday 02 July 21 15:29 BST (UK)
Oh, Gadget, I loved Fenwick's shop in the 60s and once managed to squeeze my budget into letting me purchase a "terrace dress" there, long and slinky with a slit up one side.  Why a "terrace" dress?  I never found out, but it was a roaring success.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gadget on Friday 02 July 21 15:35 BST (UK)
We have one in Newcastle  :)
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Lisajb on Friday 02 July 21 20:50 BST (UK)
My granny had a real fur coat, beaver lamb she said it was. Massive thing, took up half her wardrobe. Gran was only 4í6Ē so it swamped her when she wore it
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Viktoria on Friday 02 July 21 21:09 BST (UK)
The only fur at my 1956 Wedding was on my mother in lawís chin!
Viktoria.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Lisajb on Friday 02 July 21 21:29 BST (UK)
The only fur at my 1956 Wedding was on my mother in lawís chin!
Viktoria.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Friday 02 July 21 22:46 BST (UK)
  I have just realised that I don't have a single family wedding photo before my generation of 60s/70s weddings. There are one or two of posed couples, (1910s) probably taken for their weddings, and one of my mother as a guest at a wartime wedding, looking a lot smarter than the middle-aged bride! No fur though!
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 03 July 21 16:10 BST (UK)
1) At a wedding if the bridesmaid(s) was/were reported in the newspaper as wearing a gold or silver bracelet or necklace, gift of the groom, would it be proper gold (or silver)?

Mine wasn't. The only real precious metal was the wedding ring. 
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: chempat on Saturday 03 July 21 16:22 BST (UK)
Thank-you, Maiden Stone.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 03 July 21 16:43 BST (UK)
Wedding reception Co-op rooms. Honeymoon a week in a cheap seaside boarding-house. On the plus side, they were able to save for a deposit on a house 2 years later. It had a bathroom with an indoor toilet.
I was pleased with my gold-plated necklace with the pretend pearl. I wore it on social occasions until I was an adult.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: chempat on Saturday 03 July 21 19:30 BST (UK)
I was never a bridesmaid and very jealous of friends who had lots of relatives getting married at the right time.
As another point, a wedding that I went to as a child in about 1960 had the wedding presents on display.  Cannot remember if that was at the bride's house or reception venue.
Anyone know when that stopped happening?
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Jebber on Saturday 03 July 21 20:55 BST (UK)
I was never a bridesmaid and very jealous of friends who had lots of relatives getting married at the right time.

Same here.

I had a bridesmaids dress made from parachute silk for a wedding 1947. My present was a silver cross and chain, stolen by a visitor to the house some years later.

Sadly I never was a bridesmaid, I spent the day of the wedding dressed in all my finery, but in bed with measles and pneumonia.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 03 July 21 21:04 BST (UK)
I was never a bridesmaid.

I married in 1964 and I still use some of my presents - a bread board and knife (used every day) and a set of fish knives and forks.

I also received my engagement ring on our 50th wedding anniversary - we had only known each other for 6 months when we married (met in February and married on 1 August).  Married in the Register Office - attendants = me, OH, his parents, his friend and wife, and my friend.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Jebber on Saturday 03 July 21 22:02 BST (UK)
They made things to last in those days BumbleB.

I married in 1960 and still have a lot of my wedding presents in constant use. My daughter-in-law has my breadboard, I use my motherís, a wedding present she received in 1940.

I had a big wedding in Church, but all done on a shoestring, with family and friends mucking in, all the more memorable because of their involvement.

Not a fur coat in sight, but then it was in August. ;D
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gibel on Sunday 04 July 21 00:40 BST (UK)
I was a bridesmaid in 1963 aged 12 and was given a gold cross and chain. I still have the cross but on a newer chain and wore it regularly until about 10 years ago when I could no longer manage to do up the fastening. The cross is real gold. We wore long yellow dresses which did nothing for me as I have a sallow complexion. My black very straight hair was curled for the occasion but the curls didnít stay long!

I have a photo of my mother the same year with a borrowed mink stole she was going to wear at some do. In 1969/70 I had a white fur hood, I think it was rabbit. Iíve no idea what happened to it but it had gone by 1972.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Gibel on Sunday 04 July 21 00:44 BST (UK)
My parents were married in October 1940 in Liverpool. My father is in his Army uniform, he was in the Royal Signals. My mother wore a dress and a hat.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 04 July 21 12:29 BST (UK)
Oh, Gadget, I loved Fenwick's shop in the 60s and once managed to squeeze my budget into letting me purchase a "terrace dress" there, long and slinky with a slit up one side.  Why a "terrace" dress?  I never found out, but it was a roaring success.

Drinks on the terrace at a social event in summer? 
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 04 July 21 12:53 BST (UK)
As another point, a wedding that I went to as a child in about 1960 had the wedding presents on display.  Cannot remember if that was at the bride's house or reception venue.
Anyone know when that stopped happening?

I remember presents displayed at the reception venue at a relative's wedding in England. Many cousins married 1960s & 1970s. I don't remember whose or when or if there was a present display at more than 1 wedding. A list of presents was included in some wedding reports in newspapers.
A show of presents is/was an important part of a Scottish wedding. (I'm out of touch with modern weddings.) Venue for the show of presents is the bride's home or the home of her parents. It happens on a day or evening in the week prior to the wedding. Daytime if it's weekend, evening if a weekday. It's a female-only event for relatives, friends, colleagues and neighbours. Refreshments are served.
There was a wedding at my church yesterday.  :) Video is on the church website.   
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 04 July 21 15:05 BST (UK)
I remember when they used to have a show of presents with the donors names before the wedding, or at the reception. It was a custom I disliked,  as much as I disliked the reporting in the paper of who gave what. I felt it pressurised people into spending more than they could afford.

When I got married we didn't display the presents, I kept the identity of the giver private, between them and us.

I also disliked it when, in the eighties some people started  sending out  their wish  list with the invitations. The couple of times that happened to us, we declined the invitation and they didn't get a present either.

When my sons got married, they had note books with a different item on every page, the items ranged in cost to suit every pocket. Only when and if they were asked if they had a wish list, was the person shown the book and invited to tear out the page with the item they would like to give, that way it was anonymous and there was no embarrassment.

These days I believe it is not uncommon for the guests to be expected to pay for their meal at the reception. I'm afraid I'm old fashioned and believe you should stick to what you can afford, not expect others to subsidise your day just so that you can show off.
Title: Re: Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 04 July 21 15:44 BST (UK)
At my parents' wedding in 1944, both of their mothers wore fur - I've never had any reason to assume it wasn't real. My father's mother, having lived in a cold part of Canada for some years, had at least two fur coats, and one of those "two foxes tied together" things she wore round her neck, and that I played with, and dressed up with as a child.
My own mother had no fur coat that I recall, but an astrakhan (?) coat - think it was a sort of tightly curled lambswool thingy - that she wore for decades, it was very warm, and wore well. I think it was a present from my father.
I've owned suede and sheepskin and leather coats, but no fur.
As that shows, fashions change.
I've many family wedding and other photos, dating back to the 19th C, and in many the women wear furs. If it was a summer wedding, then I assume they may well not have worn them - but I knew one old lady who wore hers "for best" throughout the year, even heatwaves.