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Title: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 16:23 BST (UK)
Another set of eyes may help

Mary married Thomas Mctaggart in 1918 (aged 16 but 18 on certificate)

Not with husband in 1939 Greig Street. Had she left for the USA as some of her family ended up in Indianapolis

I think Thomas died after 1949
 
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 02 July 21 16:55 BST (UK)
In 1940 she is at 3 Greig Street with Thomas McTaggart - electoral register
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 16:57 BST (UK)
Thank you so a death after then.

In 1940 she is at 3 Greig Street with Thomas McTaggart - electoral register
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 02 July 21 16:59 BST (UK)
Thomas McTaggart born 29th June 1882

There are 2 closed records in 1939 register one of which which could be her.
Also 2 daughters.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 02 July 21 17:01 BST (UK)
Daughter Sheila married somebody called Jennings and died in 1992
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: softly softly on Friday 02 July 21 17:04 BST (UK)
Possible Thomas death

Thomas McTaggart
abt 1887   Jul 1950   Jul-Aug-Sep   Liverpool South   Lancashire

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 02 July 21 17:07 BST (UK)
GRO has this death
Mary McTaggart
1957 aged 82
registered march quarter Liverpool North.

Added: not her, the marriage certificate gives age 18 therefore born about 1900
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 02 July 21 17:11 BST (UK)
Was their son killed in 1942?
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:19 BST (UK)
Yes


Was their son killed in 1942?
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: softly softly on Friday 02 July 21 17:19 BST (UK)
If the possible death of Thomas in sq 1950 Liverpool south is her husband, then could she have re-married very shortly afterwards to James Allen sq 1950 Liverpool south as Mary McTaggart.

Do you know a birth date for Mary?

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:20 BST (UK)
Thank you for checking

GRO has this death
Mary McTaggart
1957 aged 82
registered march quarter Liverpool North.

Added: not her, the marriage certificate gives age 18 therefore born about 1900
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:22 BST (UK)
Yes October 1st 1902

If the possible death of Thomas in sq 1950 Liverpool south is her husband, then could she have re-married very shortly afterwards to James Allen sq 1950 Liverpool south as Mary McTaggart.

Do you know a birth date for Mary?

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:23 BST (UK)
Will have a look at that marriage thanks

If the possible death of Thomas in sq 1950 Liverpool south is her husband, then could she have re-married very shortly afterwards to James Allen sq 1950 Liverpool south as Mary McTaggart.

Do you know a birth date for Mary?

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:30 BST (UK)
Just looked at her birth registration it was registered first quarter of 1902 so she could have been born late 1901 which makes her younger at her marriage. So the birth date I have is probably wrong
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 17:31 BST (UK)
Do you have her in 1911 with her family?
Her father was Thomas, what was her mother’s name?
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:37 BST (UK)
Yes her mother was Mary Ann Berry late Foley formally Reid

They were living at 116 Wellington Road . That address comes into the reckoning an many occasions Greig Street to the rear

Do you have her in 1911 with her family?
Her father was Thomas, what was her mother’s name?
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: softly softly on Friday 02 July 21 17:45 BST (UK)
BERRY, MARY       FOLEY 
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 396

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 17:48 BST (UK)
Thanks yes that’s the one. Maiden name should have been Reid but not unusual to be out

BERRY, MARY       FOLEY 
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 396

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: softly softly on Friday 02 July 21 19:37 BST (UK)
Info,

Family in 1901 census ref

RG13; Piece: 3471; Folio: 189; Page: 34  (Mary Ann appears as Margaret)

When Thomas married Mary Ann Foley in 1894 his occupation was "Sailor"

John

Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 19:41 BST (UK)
Yes that’s the one. I have the ancestry
Info,

Family in 1901 census ref

RG13; Piece: 3471; Folio: 189; Page: 34  (Mary Ann appears as Margaret)

When Thomas married Mary Ann Foley in 1894 his occupation was "Sailor"

John
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 20:05 BST (UK)
Mary does not appear in electoral registers with Thomas after 1939/40.
He is alone from 1945 onwards.

You mention family in Indianapolis. From a tree, is that Mary?
Daughter Mary McTaggart married George Ison.
There is a Mary L Ison in electoral registers in Copeland Street in 1945. Is that her?

At the same address is Stephen and Mary Leonard. 
Stephen is alone in 1946. There may be no connection to the Leonards as they are in Copeland Street in 1940 and earlier.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 20:20 BST (UK)
Yes that will be Mary L b 1923. At one child born George and Mary L in Liverpool 1945. Then others end up being born I think in Kentucky

George died in Indiana

Mary does not appear in electoral registers with Thomas after 1939/40.
He is alone from 1945 onwards.

You mention family in Indianapolis. From a tree, is that Mary?
Daughter Mary McTaggart married George Ison.
There is a Mary L Ison in electoral registers in Copeland Street in 1945. Is that her?

At the same address is Stephen and Mary Leonard. 
Stephen is alone in 1946. There may be no connection to the Leonards as they are in Copeland Street in 1940 and earlier.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 20:22 BST (UK)
Mary Ison and child emigrate in 1946.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 20:23 BST (UK)
Thank you I am presume it that George was an American Serviceman

Mary Ison and child emigrate in 1946.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 20:28 BST (UK)
Yes he was.

I think the electoral registers information is valid after all.
There is a child born 1936 - Leonard with mmn Berry.

1939 register supports this and then the possible marriage in reply #9 mentioned already would fit.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 20:33 BST (UK)
Thanks again I hadn’t the Leonard should the birth year be 1932 or is there another in 1936

Yes he was.

I think the electoral registers information is valid after all.
There is a child born 1936 - Leonard with mmn Berry.

1939 register supports this and then the possible marriage in reply #9 mentioned already would fit.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 20:45 BST (UK)
Did Thomas and Mary have a child as late as 1943 ?
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 21:13 BST (UK)
Have you checked Free BMD?

I see two Leonard/Berry births in 1934 and 1936.
1939 register doesn’t make sense.

The 1943 birth is indexed under two surnames.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 21:36 BST (UK)
Can’t see the 1934/ 1936 ones at all

Will look at the 1943 one 

Thanks for your input

quote author=heywood link=topic=850548.msg7180723#msg7180723 date=1625256826]
Have you checked Free BMD?

I see two Leonard/Berry births in 1934 and 1936.
1939 register doesn’t make sense.

The 1943 birth is indexed under two surnames.
[/quote]
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 21:55 BST (UK)
I wasn’t going to mention first names as the people may still be living.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Surname - Leonard
Mother’s surname - Berry

Easy to find
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 22:01 BST (UK)

On there there is only the 1932 birth. Gone through FindMyPast and A

I wasn’t going to mention first names as the people may still be living.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Surname - Leonard
Mother’s surname - Berry

Easy to find
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 22:07 BST (UK)
I can now see where you are coming from. I see that there is in 1934 a female with the surname Leonard and Mctaggart  (like the 1943 entry) something is going on.



quote author=heywood link=topic=850548.msg7180731#msg7180731 date=1625259344]
I wasn’t going to mention first names as the people may still be living.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Surname - Leonard
Mother’s surname - Berry

Easy to find
[/quote]
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 22:23 BST (UK)
Think I may have found Mary in 1939 41 Copeland Street

Living as a Leonard but the Allen name comes into it
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 July 21 22:25 BST (UK)
Good.
We aren’t allowed to post 1939 information for others so it’s good you have found it yourself.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 22:25 BST (UK)
Yes she is a daughter

quote author=heatherjulie link=topic=850548.msg7180610#msg7180610 date=1625241682]
Daughter Sheila married somebody called Jennings and died in 1992
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Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 22:26 BST (UK)

All fits in with the other info on this thread


Good.
We aren’t allowed to post 1939 information for others so it’s good you have found it yourself.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 02 July 21 22:27 BST (UK)
Thanks all for your input and suggestions
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Saturday 03 July 21 16:15 BST (UK)
Looks as if Stephen was buried in Allerton Cemetery Liverpool (War Grave ) in February 1945 address at burial fits

Mary does not appear in electoral registers with Thomas after 1939/40.
He is alone from 1945 onwards.

You mention family in Indianapolis. From a tree, is that Mary?
Daughter Mary McTaggart married George Ison.
There is a Mary L Ison in electoral registers in Copeland Street in 1945. Is that her?

At the same address is Stephen and Mary Leonard. 
Stephen is alone in 1946. There may be no connection to the Leonards as they are in Copeland Street in 1940 and earlier.
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Saturday 03 July 21 17:25 BST (UK)
There was another Stephen in Copeland Street so I was confused. I thought he had moved home.
However I see the burial now. It doesn’t look to be a War Grave though.I was looking at a different record. You’re right.  :)
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Saturday 03 July 21 17:32 BST (UK)
Yes there is the burial register and the WG notice. Don’t think he married Mary just had the children

There was another Stephen in Copeland Street so I was confused. I thought he had moved home.
However I see the burial now. It doesn’t look to be a War Grave though.I was looking at a different record. You’re right.  :)
Title: Re: Death of Mary Mctaggart nee’ Berry b 1902 Liverpool
Post by: jksdelver on Friday 09 July 21 13:45 BST (UK)
Mary was born 20th December 1901 in Forge Street Liverpool