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Title: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 03 July 21 20:45 BST (UK)
Lizzie was the wife of Benjamin Watterson and they are on the 1910 census in Philadelphia with their children Julia born 1897, Jennie 1897, Benjamin born 1900 and Lillie age 2. Benjamin is a fireman.
In 1920, the family can't be found but there is a Benjamin living by himself, widower, fireman. I think this is him, which means Lizzie died 1910-1920. Would like her death certificate to verify her maiden name and parents.
Later on, Julia married George Washington Roche abt 1920. Jennie aka Virginia married firstly a Mr. Gee, abt 1920, divorced him, married William Digney June 27, 1931, and lastly John George Spencer. Funnily enough, Virginia used surname Gee at death in 1980 in Long Beach, California.
Lillie married Charles Hallowell bef 1930 and is alive in 1940. Possibly died in Ohio but not sure when. Possible dod June 11, 1961 but not sure of this.
Thanks for any help
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Saturday 03 July 21 22:52 BST (UK)
Benjamin appears to have had some issues and was sent to prison for 8 years in 1911. Those issues reappeared again, and he was sent to prison again in 1922 for 15 years, this time.

The two clippings below tell all that needs to be known. The news clipping state he lived on Boudinot Street, same in 1920 census.
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In the 1920 census, he is listed living on Boudinot Street.

1920 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXSX-4ML

His daughter Lillian is living in a children's home in 1920.

1920 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXSD-7CW

Lillian was born Jan. 1909.

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HHG1-PWZM

In 1930 Benjamin is an inmate in prison.

1930 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH43-5YK

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 Philadelphia Inquirer
Tuesday, Jul 11, 1922
Philadelphia, PA
Issue: 11
Page: 1

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 Philadelphia Inquirer
Friday, Jul 21, 1922
Philadelphia, PA
Issue: 21
Page: 7

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Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 00:10 BST (UK)
The Hallowells moved back to the Philadelphia area:
1940 Abington Twp Montgomery County, PA
30 Easton Road
Hallowell
   Charles
   Lillian
   Doris, 10, born in Pa
   Charles Jr, 1, born in Pa
residence in 1935: Cleveland, Ohio   
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ76-CMH

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This is Lillian's death. but her mother's maiden name doesn't look accurate. But it might be a start toward finding it.

Pa Death Certificate
Lillian Hallowell, died 13 Dec 1955 at St Luke's Hospital, Philadelphia (DOA)
residence: 1512 W Diamond St, Philadelphia
born 27 Jan 1909, Philadelphia
divorced, housekeeper
father: Benjamin Watterson
mother: Lillian Aveell  [the record is typewritten, that is what it says]
informant: Charles Warren Hallowell, Jr
buried: Philadelphia Crematory, Philadelphia

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This is the death notice of the Lillian Hollowell who died in Cleveland in 1961, eliminating her, I would think:

Name: Hollowell, Lillian
Date: Jun 14 1961
Source: Plain Dealer, Reel #118
Notes: Residence, 1483 Parkhill Rd.; beloved aunt of Tyler Wilson and Marjorie Ratza; sister of the late Lula Wilson. Friends may call at the Stanley H. Johnston Funeral Home, 15314 Macauley Ave., corner E. 152-Lake Shore Blvd., where services will be held Thursday at 1 p. m.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 00:12 BST (UK)
a child of Lillian's who was born and died between censuses:

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Warren Hallowell death, 1931, Cleveland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X6MS-5JV

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 00:18 BST (UK)
Jennie aka Virginia married firstly a Mr. Gee, abt 1920, divorced him, married William Digney June 27, 1931, and lastly John George Spencer. Funnily enough, Virginia used surname Gee at death in 1980 in Long Beach, California.

and the death index, which is supposed to record her mother's maiden name, says mother's name: "Watterson"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGBC-JRS
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 00:23 BST (UK)
Name   William Digney
Sex   Male
Age   31
Father's Name   Dan Digney
Mother's Name   Annie Lenigan
Marriage Date   27 Jun 1931
Marriage Place   Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
Source County   Cuyahoga
Titles and Terms   Mr
Birth Year (Estimated)   1900
Spouse's Name   Virginia M Gee
Spouse's Titles and Terms   Mrs
Spouse's Sex   Female
Spouse's Age   32
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)   1899
Spouse's Father's Name   Benjamin Waterson
Spouse's Mother's Name   Elizabeth Averill

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q7R-91X

edited to add: her residence on the record is 1603 East 33rd, Cleveland, the same residence as Lillian Hallowell when she was informant on her son Warren's death, age 11m.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 00:32 BST (UK)
Goodness, that is alarming. Hope his wife didn't do  something to herself after Benjamin was sentenced in 1911. Explains why family is not together in 1920. I notice that Benjamin says married in 1930 but is still listed as a fireman. I think Benjamin is on the 1940 census, out of prison, if it is the same Benjamin. Now says widowed and living at the same address in 1935 - if he was , and it is the same Benjamin, then he got out early. And then there is a Benjamin who died in 1952, with the same address as in 1940. No parents listed so can't be sure it is the Benjamin that I was following. But I think likely.
That is likely daughter Lillian in the Children's Home in 1920 as age and circumstances fit, although it says parents both born Penn.
I wonder if Benjamin's misbehavior made the papers in 1911.
Thank you RJ137 for your help.
Peggy
I see your updates about Lillian. Thank you so very much. That would definitely be her death in 1955. They seemed to be back and forth between Ohio and PA. I see divorced on her death record. I am thinking Lillian's mother was probably Lizzie Averell although it was spelled differently on different records, even as Abed. Thanks again!
Now I see the marriage record for Virginia and it does say mother Averill. Great.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 00:58 BST (UK)

1930 Cleveland
1603 East 33rd
Virginia Gee, head, renting, divorced, 30, born in Pa, parents in Northern Ireland
Alfred, 10, b in Pennsylvania
Robert A, b in Pa
Benjamin Watterson, brother, 29, born in Pa, parents in Northern Ireland
William Digney, lodger, born Canada (English), parents in Scotland

2 family home, other family are the Hallowells

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X43H-8L5

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1940 Cleveland at 6905 Euclid Ave
Benjamin Watterson, 39, born in Pa
Irene 37, born in Maryland
no children

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KW52-CH4

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probably Benjamin's death, 1944, Cleveland
father: Benjamin Watterson
mother's maiden name missing
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZTX-59W

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that man's obit. who is Mrs John Spencer? did Virginia marry again?
Name: Watterson, Benjamin
Date: Feb 3 1944
Source: Cleveland Press, Reel #84
Notes: Watterson, Benjamin--Beloved husband of Irene, brother of Mrs. John Spencer. Services Friday, 1 p. m., from the Loree A. Wells Funeral Home, 8303 Hough ave. Burial at Whitehaven Cemetery.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 01:17 BST (UK)
Yes, Virginia did remarry to John George Spencer but seems a weird situation. Why did she use surname Gee when she died. Of course, John did die Jan 4,1966. Still....
I have never found Virginia's marriage to Mr. Gee so don't know his first name. Must have been 1919/1920 ish as son Alfred was born abt 1920, being 10 on the 1930 census.
The death notice for Benjamin confirms the relationship to Virginia.
thank you
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 01:21 BST (UK)
Julia in 1920. Who is Lillian Everall, her mother's sister? but "born in Pa" <- of course that could be the landlady providing the information. or Lizzie Averill and her parents came to Phila. by c 1885

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1920 Philadelphia
1615 Park Avenue
Harried Hutzel head
Mary McQuaid, daughter
Julia Waterson, 23, boarder, single, born in Pennsylvania, parents also, dressmaker, own business
Lillian Everall, 35, boarder, born in Pennsylvania, parents also, divorced, milliner, hat factory

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFY5-676

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Pa Death Certificate
Julia L Roche
died 8 April 1959, Philadelphia
divorced - widowed
born 14 June 1897, Philadelphia
father: Benjamin Watterson
mother: Lizzie ?
spouse: George W Roche
informant Clifford Roche, 48 N Penn Street, Clifton Heights Pa
time in Philadelphia: 16 years

edited to change her marital status at death. see also later quoted post, this thread.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 01:28 BST (UK)
Virginia ... Why did she use surname Gee when she died.
Peggy
Because it was her children's name, maybe.
Alfred was b 9 Apr 1920, baptized in Philadelphia as a Lutheran, son of Joseph Gee and Virginia Gee
died 14 Jan 1984
buried Riverside National Cemetery

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 01:34 BST (UK)
So sorry oldohiohome. I see it was you who updated info about Lillian Hallowell, and Benjamin, and Virginia. Thanks so much.
Good pickup about Lillian Everall on 1920 census, same residence as Julia Watterson. Has to be a relative of her mother's. Wonder if Everall is maiden name or married name?
I see Julia was divorced before her death in 1959. The girls seemed to have trouble with their marriages.
And wow, you found Mr. Gee's first name. Great.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 01:39 BST (UK)
Thanks so much.
Good pickup about Lillian Everall on 1920 census, same residence as Julia Watterson. Has to be a relative of her mother's. Wonder if Everall is maiden name or married name?
I see Julia was divorced before her death in 1959. The girls seemed to have trouble with their marriages.
And wow, you found Mr. Gee's first name. Great.
Peggy

you're welcome.
I was thinking the same about the daughters.
and no success with Virginia's marriage to Joseph Gee. end of the line here, at least for tonight.

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 04 July 21 05:36 BST (UK)
Here's an interesting news clipping from 1932?

The Philadelphia Inquirer
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Sunday, April 10, 1932
pg: 41

Men Seeks Son and Daughter

   Virtually alone in the world, as he asserts, Benjamin Waterson, 1921 East Huntingdon street, this city, yearns for tidings of his son, Benjamin, and daughter, Lillian, neither of whom he has seen or heard from for sixteen years. He is of the belief that they are now in another city.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 05:44 BST (UK)
That is very interesting. He must be out of prison.
I have searched very hard for any newspaper articles about Benjamin‘s first offence in 1911 but have had no luck so far. Thought it might mention if Lizzie was still alive at that time.
Thanks RJ137.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 05:58 BST (UK)
Related Benjamin and Lizzie Watterson thread -

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848582.0

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 09:09 BST (UK)
Looking at all this information, I had a sudden thought. When Lillian Hallowell died, she gives her mother's first name as Lillian. On the 1920 census, with Julia Watterson, in the same household is Lillian Everall, age 35, divorced. Could this possibly be her mother, with wrong age, and wrong first name, and last name spelled differently? Would explain why we didn't find Lizzie's death 1910-1920. Perhaps she was trying to distance herself from Benjamin and the tragic situation.
I know it says Lillian's parents born Pennsylvania which is not true, if she is Lizzie, mother of Julia, but it says that same thing for Julia's parents which is also not true. Benjamin was born Ireland and so is Lizzie, as per 1910 census, as were both their parents.
I know it is a wild thought but maybe it is the case. Benjamin says in 1930 he is married, but in 1940, says widowed. If we can possibly rely on that info, Lizzie, possibly Lillian, died 1930-1940.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 10:00 BST (UK)
On the other thread - reply 24 - marriage of Virginia Digney (11 May 1934) it gave the name of the mother as Elizabeth White, maiden name Averill - mother lives Engelwood (possibly Inglewood) California. Housewife.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-61HS-KB7?cc=1589502
Perhaps the same Virginia died under Virginia Margaret Gee in Los Angeles - reply 34 previous thread.

Virginia Margaret Gee - Birth Date 5 Jun 1899 Pennsylvania
Death Date 24 Oct 1980 Los Angeles - Mother's Maiden Name Watterman.



Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 10:12 BST (UK)
There is a Lizzie Averill who married a man named White in Pa in the 20s or 30s, I forget now. Too early here to start working on it.

As for Lillian Everall with Julia Waterson boarding in Phila in 1930, I thought it might be Lizzie also. You don't know if it was the landlady who gave the information.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 10:18 BST (UK)

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Pa Death Certificate
Julia L Roche
died 8 April 1959, Philadelphia
divorced
born 14 June 1897, Philadelphia
father: Benjamin Watterson
mother: Lizzie ?
spouse: George W Roche
informant Clifford Roche, 48 N Penn Street, Clifton Heights Pa
time in Philadelphia: 16 years

correction - Julia was widowed, not divorced. I misread the certificate.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 10:26 BST (UK)
There is a Lizzie Averill who married a man named White in Pa in the 20s or 30s, I forget now. Too early here to start working on it.

This could be the record OOH refers to.

Lily E Averell - marriage 1923 Philadelphia Pennsylvania.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJP7-YPT

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JV4X-78Q

James B White -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZWS5-F12M

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 12:02 BST (UK)
?
1934 Pasadena City Directory
John (Eliz) White home at 174 S Berkeley Avenue

?
1936 California Voter Registration
Bell City, Los Angeles County
John B White, 320 W 5th, a waiter
Mrs Lily E White, 320 W 5th, a waitress
both registered Democrats         

it looks like there were 5 ladies by that name in Los Angeles County in 1936. 4 married, 1 single.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 14:15 BST (UK)
That looks like Lily/Lizzie in 1936 so her death was after that. Thank you oldohiohome.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 14:37 BST (UK)
If this is the right couple - John B rather than James B ?  - California, U.S., Voter Registrations - 1940 - shows that same couple John B White (waiter) and Lily E White (waitress) - 2422 N Sichel Street. LA

California, U.S., Voter Registrations - 1944 shows Lily E White (waitress)  414 N Ave 50

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 14:41 BST (UK)
Hard to be sure John B and James B are the same person but he is with Lily E so maybe.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 14:41 BST (UK)
The 1940 census 2422 N Sichel Los Angeles California  (same address as couple above)  ?

John B White   30   Head.  Waiter.
Rosalie E White 26   Wife  (name corrected on anc to Rosalie Lillie Giamalva White)
John White Jr 2   Son
Joe D White  1  month. Son
Maryle Giaman 21   Sister-in-law

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9HT-RJL

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 14:46 BST (UK)

U.S., World War II Draft Cards Young Men - Lilly Elizabeth White
Rosalee Lillie Giamalva White -   John Bradford White born 19 October 1909 Texas.
Resides 403 1/2 So Union Ave. Los Angeles. Emp. E F Smith Grocery Store.

This couple were married in El Paso 6 May 1934

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 14:50 BST (UK)
So you have nicely proven this is not the correct couple. Thanks Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 14:59 BST (UK)
There is a death index record for a lily E White December 3, 1942 in Los Angeles. I don’t know if it is her.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 15:04 BST (UK)
Not her as per findagrave.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 15:05 BST (UK)
There is a death index record for a lily E White December 3, 1942 in Los Angeles. I don’t know if it is her.

I checked Lily out earlier -  unfortunately born 1859 so to early -

FIND A GRAVE  1859 - 1942

Evergreen Cemetery Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203162723/lily-e.-white


snap  :-\

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80772045/miss-lily-e-white-5-december-1942/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 04 July 21 16:03 BST (UK)

Jennie aka Virginia married firstly a Mr. Gee, abt 1920,

Philadelphia Inquirer
Saturday, Jun 21, 1919
Philadelphia, PA
Page: 9
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 16:21 BST (UK)
Great find, RJ137. So her husband was Alfred Joseph Gee.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 16:47 BST (UK)
Going back to the 1940 census 2321 Second Street Philadelphia - think its mentioned in a thread somewhere.

Samuel White   64   Head
Bertha White 64   Wife
Benjamin Watterson 69   Lodger. born 1871. Widowed. NA.
William Stulman 69   Lodger
Robert Wade 44   Lodger
Robert Dempster 45   Lodger
Robert Dempster Jr 16   Lodger
James McGlynn 61   Lodger
Ellen Watterson 63   Lodger. born Ireland. Widowed. NA. Age at first marriage 25 years. Had 2 children.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MT-18Z5?i=23&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKQWY-1MT

Samuel White was also married in Camden NJ to Bertha Bradley 7 July 1895 - same as Benjamin and Lizzie - reply 42 other thread - your awaiting the certificate for Benjamin.  (coincidence ?)

On the death certificate for Samuel White  19 September 1945 - parents were John White and Martha Brown.  Buried N. Cedar Hill Cemetery.

Samuel naturalized 7/2/1940 - 2321 N Second. Philadelphia. PA.
Samuel was widowed.
Samuel immigrated from Co Antrim Ireland on SS Umbria arriving July 1893. ( The White surname was interesting and again coincidence - wonder if Lizzie was first married to Everall/Averill and then to Benjamin Watterson ?)

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 16:56 BST (UK)
1900 census shows Martha White living with Samuel - Abigail Philadelphia

Martha White   53   Head. Had 7 children 6 living. Imm1893. Widowed.
Samuel White 24   Son. Imm 1893. Married 1895.
Bertha White 25   Daughter in Law (Daughter-in-law)
Willie B White 2   Grandchild
Martha White 6 months. Grandchild.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M371-H1N

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 16:58 BST (UK)
1910 census Martha still with Samuel - Martha Street Philadelphia.

Samuel White 38   Head. Imm 1894.
Bertha White 36   Wife
William White 12   Son
Martha White 10   Daughter
John White 8   Son
Samuel White Jr. 6   Son
Margaret White 4   Daughter
Martha White   60   Mother. Had 7 children 4 living. Imm 1896. Widowed.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG6F-MS7

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 17:13 BST (UK)
Arriving New York on the Umbria - 3 July 1893 -  Samuel White 18 years - Martha White 45 years (widowed)
Cassie White 16 years (spinster) - William White 11 years. All going to Penna.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 17:20 BST (UK)
Could this be a son of Martha Brown and John White ?

Robert White born 12 May 1972 who died 26 February 1912 Philadelphia. Married.
Burial Greenmount Cemetery.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67Q3-367?i=34&cc=1320976&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJ6WJ-KBD

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 17:27 BST (UK)
1900 census Phildelphia PA

Robert White Age28
Isibelle White Age23
Headdie White Age4
Joseph White Age2
Isabella White

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3WV-SSD

1910 census Philadelphia Pennsylvania.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGWK-17W

Sandra

Another Camden, NJ marriage - Robert A. White

Marriage Date:   23 Feb 1894 Camden, Camden, New Jersey. - Spouse Isabella Baird
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 17:43 BST (UK)
William White (22nd May 1882) mentioned on the Umbria - WW1 Draft - 1939 East Clarence Street Philadelphia.
Nearest relative Samuel White - 2143 Martha Street Philadelphia.

WW2 Draft - William Brown White - Birth Date 22 May 1880 County Antrim, Ireland
Residence Place Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA - Military Draft Date 1942 - unemployed.
Relationship to Draftee Head - Samuel White 2321 Second Street.

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index -    William Brown White
Birth Date 22 May 1880 - Birth Place Black Vow Co, Republic of Ireland
Father John White - Mother Martha Brown

Pennsylvania, U.S., Death Certificates - shows wrong name for mother but birth date ok ish
William Brown White - 22 May 1880 Ireland. Aged 75 years.
died 23 Dec 1955 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Father John White - Mother Catherine White
Certificate Number 113288 - Burial Greenwood Cemetery.

Ireland Select Birth - William White
Birth Date 23 May 1879 - Birth Place Armoy, Antrim, Ireland
Father John White - Mother Martha White Brown



Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 18:00 BST (UK)
I did notice that Benjamin was living with Samuel  White in 1940. Also noticed Ellen Watterson in the same household but not sure of her connection. If she was 63, means born about 1877, married at age 25, so about 1902 to  a Watterson. The only sibling of Benjamin's that I don't have a spouse for is Joseph but there is no indication that Ellen is Benjamin's sister-in-law.
At first, because Benjamin Watterson that I was following (son of James Watterson and Margaret Hurl ) arrived in Philadelphia in 1895, with wife Martha, to his sister Mary Jane Steele, I was thinking she was Martha Elizabeth White since the only Benjamin I could find after that was the one with wife Lizzie.  When Virginia married John Spencer, I thought she must have her mother's name backwards when she said it was Elizabeth White nee Averill. Now I am thinking I was misled by the 1895 arrival of Benjamin with wife Martha or there were two Benjamins. Thinking misled by wife's name Martha in 1895. I should have Benjamin's marriage record to Lizzie Averill in Camden, NJ on June 8,1895, any day now as I ordered it in early May. Hoping it has his parents names on the record. I am thinking Lizzie's first marriage was to Benjamin Watterson and then to James B. White. But there must be also must be a connection to the Samuel White that Benjamin is living with in 1940 and at the time of Ben's death in 1952 (same address).
The only Eliza Averill that I find in the correct time frame is born 1886 in Lurganagoose to Robert Averill and Mary Ann Semple, with grandmother Sarah Averill present at Eliza's birth. But there is no Margaret or Mary Ann in Lizzie's daughters.
Now that you give me Samuel's parents, I found his birth in Gortmillish, Armoy, District of Ballycastle, on May 6, 1874.
Update - yes there was a Robert White born to John White and Martha Brown on May 16,1870 in Gortmillish. And William born May 23,1879 in Gortmillish. And Catherine Sept 14, 1876 (this would be Cassie).
John and Martha married 1867 and he was a widower then. Both fathers had first name John.
I find the death of a John White in Armoy in 1885 but... wife is Eliza. ??Martha Elizabeth??
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 18:19 BST (UK)
How about a Sarah Moore White ?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR3G-LH2

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 18:25 BST (UK)
Yes, Sarah Moore White  Aug 24, 1872.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 18:42 BST (UK)

and Margaret White - 20 February 1868 Gortmillish Armoy, Ballycastle

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR3G-LH2

Missing one - according to 1900 Martha had 7 and 6 survived.
But 1910 had 7 and 4 survive.

Robert, Samuel, William, and 1 other ? in 1910

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 18:47 BST (UK)
yes, Margaret born Feb 20, 1868, Gortmillish, Armoy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Sunday 04 July 21 18:56 BST (UK)
The only Eliza Averill that I find in the correct time frame is born 1886 in Lurganagoose to Robert Averill and Mary Ann Semple, with grandmother Sarah Averill present at Eliza's birth. But there is no Margaret or Mary Ann in Lizzie's daughters.

I didn't look past 1885 so I missed that one, but here are 2 more. one pretty close to Lizzie's census ages and one much older:


is she
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Name:   
Elizabeth Averell
Birth Date:   9 Feb 1881
Birthplace:    Ireland
Birthplace (Original):   Clones, Monaghan, Ireland
Father's Name:    Thomas Averell
Mother's Name:   Alice Jane Averell Hall

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRSP-FHW
   
in Poundhill, Clones, father a fireman, mother's maiden: Hall. informant: Annie McGrath (her mark), nursetender, present at birth

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02839/2040585.pdf

but she is the only Averell/Averill birth  in Clones from 1875 to 1885, so no help with siblings for this child.

or is she Eliza Averell
born 6 October 1875, dau of Robert and Margaret (McDonald) Averell of Tobermore, RD Maghera, Co Derry (Londonderry), father was a matchmaker, and was the informant

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03084/2130595.pdf

lots of Averills in Magherafelt area. I didn't try to sort them out.

but you will need a US record with her parents' names to identify her - or 2 or 3 siblings in the same small part of America - I sometimes settle for that. 
 
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 04 July 21 19:05 BST (UK)
We really need that marriage record to Benjamin Watterson, hoping it has lots of info on it. Or her death record which we haven't found yet. I am trying to recall, were there parents mentioned on Lillian's marriage to James B. White?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 19:31 BST (UK)

orr is she Eliza Averell
born 6 October 1875, dau of Robert and Margaret (McDonald) Averell of Tobermore, RD Maghera, Co Derry (Londonderry), father was a matchmaker, and was the informant

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03084/2130595.pdf

 

Elizabeth Eliza Averell married Robert Wallace 30 August 1906 Philadelphia Pennsylvania.

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North Cedar Hill Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136706524/elizabeth-wallace

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 July 21 19:33 BST (UK)
I am trying to recall, were there parents mentioned on Lillian's marriage to James B. White?

It was only taken from an index of marriages  :-\

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 09:48 BST (UK)
Going back to the 1940 census 2321 Second Street Philadelphia - think its mentioned in a thread somewhere.

Samuel White   64   Head
Bertha White 64   Wife
Benjamin Watterson 69   Lodger. born 1871. Widowed. NA.
William Stulman 69   Lodger
Robert Wade 44   Lodger
Robert Dempster 45   Lodger
Robert Dempster Jr 16   Lodger
James McGlynn 61   Lodger
Ellen Watterson 63   Lodger. born Ireland. Widowed. NA. Age at first marriage 25 years. Had 2 children.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MT-18Z5?i=23&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKQWY-1MT

Samuel White was also married in Camden NJ to Bertha Bradley 7 July 1895 - same as Benjamin and Lizzie - reply 42 other thread - your awaiting the certificate for Benjamin.  (coincidence ?)

On the death certificate for Samuel White  19 September 1945 - parents were John White and Martha Brown.  Buried N. Cedar Hill Cemetery.

Samuel naturalized 7/2/1940 - 2321 N Second. Philadelphia. PA.
Samuel was widowed.
Samuel immigrated from Co Antrim Ireland on SS Umbria arriving July 1893. ( The White surname was interesting and again coincidence - wonder if Lizzie was first married to Everall/Averill and then to Benjamin Watterson ?)

Sandra

Another mystery was who was Ellen Watterson ?

I believe that Ellen Watterson on this census with Samuel was most probably Ellen Hyde Wray who married John Payson Watterson in 1892 Philadelphia.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZWQR-XF2M

The 1910 census states she had 7 children and 6 survive. (not 2 as the 1940 was transcribed as stating)  I believe all the children were adopted.

Florence Ruth Watterson 1893 - Jane Hyde (Jennie) 1895 - Joseph Fergusson 1898 - David 1899 - Hamilton John 1901 - (Lewis in 1908 after the death of husband John)

John Payson Watterson died in 1904

Death Notice :-
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
9 Jan 1904, Sat    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80826176/john-p-watterson-9-january-1904/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80826181/column-2/



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Cedar Hill Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85199758/john-p-watterson

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DY7Q-31N?i=413&cc=1320976&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJDGL-PJ1

John Payson Watterson was the son of John Watterson 1825 and Elizabeth Jane Fergusson 1832 - 1870

John Kayren Watterson - John Payson Watterson
Baptism Age 2 - Birth Date 17 Feb 1865
Baptism Date 1 Jan 1868 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Denomination Presbyterian - Presbyterian Church of Frankford
Father Johh Watterson
Mother Eliza Jane Watterson

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Elizabeth Jane Watterson

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85200526/elizabeth-jane-watterson

and daughter Mollie McIntyre Watterson 1862 - 1900

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144184751/mollie-mcintyre-watterson

1870 census shows widowed father John Watterson/Waterson with the children.

Anne Mcgaw 41 - house-keeper.
John Waterson 50
Mary Waterson 8
Joseph Waterson 6
John Waterson 4
Harr Waterson   2

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZR5-BNJ

John P Watterson on the 1880 census with brother Joseph - nephew to John Snyder.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWJD-JXD

Ellen Watterson died 13/8/1946 - malnutrition  :'(
Burial Mount Moriah 15/8/1946

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 05 July 21 13:23 BST (UK)
Good morning, Sandra. You have done an amazing job of sorting out a complicated puzzle. I can’t find John P Watterson and Ellen on the 1900 census. If she married in 1892 she wasn’t born in 1877 as per her age in 1940 since she would only be 15. But if she married in 1892 at age 25 as per the 1940 census, that means she was born 1867. I see the children are spaced out every couple years so it seems like they were biological children as opposed to adopted. What is the indication that they were adopted?
Thanks so much for your amazing work.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 15:03 BST (UK)
All the children were biological children and belonged to John and Ellen - after John died - all those children were adopted by other people.  :)

Ellen was born 1875 on both the 1910 and 1920 census - census ages can vary, depensing who gives the information.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 15:26 BST (UK)
IF Lizzie/Elizabeth Averell/Everall was born 1882 as per 1910 census and married 8 June 1896, there would also be a concern with the age on that one ??  That will be an interesting marriage certificate.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 05 July 21 15:31 BST (UK)
That must’ve been hard on the children to lose their father in 1904 and then be adopted thereby essentially  losing their mother. Is there any indication of who adopted the children or is it a matter of looking for them on the following censuses?
If Ellen was born in 1875, she was a young bride. Do you have her death certificate in 1946?
I am wondering who were the parents of the John Watterson who married Eliza  Jane Ferguson?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 16:08 BST (UK)
The children were all adopted/fostered or lodging with different families.
Nothing on Lewis Watterson 1908

Florence Ruth (Rose) Watterson - 1893–1922
born  22 January 1893 - Philadelphia, Pa died 8 October 1922 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

married Harold J Lane - 29 May 1916

Ruth Lane Age 25 - Birth Date 22 Jan 1896 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Death Date 8 Oct 1921 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Father John P Waterson - Mother Ellen Ray - Certificate Number 92232 - Ellen Ray signed the death certificate as the informant.

The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
16 Oct 1921, Sun    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80835702/mrs-ruth-lane-16-october-1921/

Denton Journal Denton, Maryland
15 Oct 1921, Sat    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80835497/ruth-lane-15-october-1921/

Sandra


Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 16:17 BST (UK)
Jane Hyde (Jennie) Watterson - 28 February 1895  Philadelphia, Delaware, Pennsylvania.

1910 census White Lane Road Greensboro, Caroline, Maryland.

Samuel Elwanger Age 31
Philip Smith Age 28
Bessie E Elwanger Age 26
John O Davis Age26
Jennie H Waterson Age 15. Foster daughter. Born PA.
Lelsie A Elwanger Age 4

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2FV-DY2

1920 census Denton, Caroline, Maryland.

John O Davis Age 33
Jane Davis Age 24 born PA.
Charles Davis Age 7
Catherine Davis Age 5
Dorothy Davis Age 3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6QX-ZZW

1930 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:X348-46C

Jane H. Davis - Birth Date 28 Feb 1895 - 8 April 1988 9aged 93 years)
Burial Place Denton, Caroline County, Maryland.

The Star-Democrat Easton, Maryland
6 Apr 1988, Wed    Page 15

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43013020/the-star-democrat/?xid=637

Jane Watterson Davis

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QKPK-5ZMX

Pedigree Landscape -
 
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GH59-278

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 16:21 BST (UK)
David Watterson - 6 April 1899 Philadelphia - died 10 October 1918 France.

David Watterson Birth Date 6 Apr 1899 - 10 Oct 1918
Age at Death 19 years.
Burial Place Denton, Caroline County, Maryland.


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKL-1VM2

Denton Journal Denton, Maryland
30 Jul 1921, Sat    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/46382386/denton-journal/?xid=637

1910 census Maple Ave Greensboro, Caroline, Maryland.

Ambrose Langrell Age 52
Ella V Langrell Age 50
George W Langrell Age 21
Joseph Waterson Age 13 born PA. Lodger. Single.
David Waterson Age 10 born PA. Lodger. Single.

Veterans Administration Master Index.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:WQC8-912M

World War I American Expeditionary Forces Deaths

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QPHW-4PD3

FIND A GRAVE

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/208949170/david-watterson


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 16:30 BST (UK)
Joseph Ferguson Watterson 1898–1975
born  18 January 1898  Philadelphia, Pa died 30 March 1975 -  Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia.

Joseph Watterson - Birth Date 18 Jan 1898   Last Residence20023, Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia. Death Date March 1975

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBWY-NWB

1920 Joseph F Watterson was in the military - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, Military and Naval Forces.

1930 census https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:XMKR-PD6

1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:K7SJ-DFZ

marriage - Joseph F Watterson -Birth Date 1900  (aged 24 years) Marriage Date 23 January 1924 - Marriage Place District of Columbia.  Spouse Ella Spicer.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V64V-69P

spouse - Ella Watterson - Birth Date 21 Feb 1903
Last Residence20023, Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia. Death Date May 1979

couple had a son John Payson Watterson - John P. Watterson 1925–1995
born  19 January 1925  District of Columbia died 25 February 1995 - Silver Spring, Montgomery, Maryland.

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Fort Lincoln Cemetery Brentwood, Prince George's County, Maryland.
PLOT   Block 1 178-D-2

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172068410/john-p-watterson

spouse - Barbara L Watterson 1930 - 2006 -

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172068432/barbara-l-watterson

marriage -
John Payson Watterson born 1925 (aged 24 years) married 29 April 1949    District of Columbia,
Spouse Barbara Lee Wilson.

pedigree landscape - https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L1DB-4X8


Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 16:39 BST (UK)
Hamilton John Waterson - 30 May 1901
Baptism Age 2
Birth Date 30 May 1901 - Baptism Date 14 Jul 1903
Baptism Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Denomination Episcopal
Organization Name Italian Episcopal Mission, L'Emmanuello
Father John Waterson - Mother Ellen Waterson


(Hamilton) John Watterson (also known as John Payson Watterson in some records.) - Birth Date 30 May 1901 - District of Columbia.
Last Residence 20028, Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia
Death Date Dec 1977.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q57H-WTDL

1920 census North Carolina Ave NE. Washington, Washington, District of Columbia.

Samuel R Whipp Age 26
Mabel Whipp Age 22
John Waterson Age 19 adopted son
Kathleen Whipp Age 3

John P Watterson - Birth Date 1901 Marriage Date 3 Jul 1925 District of Columbia. Spouse Aster Louise.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V64V-YFL

Evening Star Washington, District of Columbia
4 Jul 1925, Sat    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80851306/marriage-of-watterson-link/

Aster Watterson - 30 January 1904 - August 1985
Last Residence:   20747, District Heights, Prince Georges, Maryland.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VSPC-FZQ


son John (Jack) Meredith Watterson -
Jack M. Watterson Birth Date 10 Feb 1928 District of Columbia. Died 6 October 2008
Last Residence 21401, Annapolis, Anne Arundel, Maryland.

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Jack M Watterson and wife Mary
Gives details of the children and grand children

Interment followed funeral services conducted in Edgewater, MD, Friday, October 10, 2008.

Resurrection Cemetery Clinton, Prince George's County, Maryland.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/45345483/jack-m.-watterson

Mary L. Watterson 1929 - 2004

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/45345421/mary-l.-watterson

Mrs Mary Lee Watterson - obituary date -  1 January 2005


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKTK-74GG

Marriage - Mary Lee Mcaleer (aged 19 years) 10 September 1948 Dist of Columbia
Spouse John Meredith Watterson

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 05 July 21 18:26 BST (UK)
Joseph Ferguson Watterson

 Evening Star
Sunday, Feb 10, 1924
Washington (DC), DC
Page: 20

Marriage: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qq9/

===
Joseph F Watterson

 Evening Star
Wednesday, Apr 02, 1975
Washington (DC), DC
Page: 35

Death: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qqa/

===
Ella Watterson

 Evening Star
Friday, May 25, 1979
Washington (DC), DC
Page: 49

Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qqb/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 05 July 21 18:47 BST (UK)
John P. Watterson, aka Hamilton Watterson

 Evening Star
Sunday, Dec 18, 1977
Washington (DC), DC
Page: 53

Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qqc/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 20:30 BST (UK)
Mollie McIntyre Watterson 1862 - 1900 (mentioned in reply 49 - under Mary on the census) - sister of John Payson Watterson.

The Times Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
19 Mar 1900, Mon    Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80854201/obituary-for-mollie-m-watterson-on/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 20:36 BST (UK)
First part of the will of M Watterson - leaving $500 dollars to brother John Payson Watterson.

16 March 1900

Sandra



Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 20:43 BST (UK)
Joseph - brother of John P Watterson 1864 Philadelphia - 21 August 1883 (burial 25 August 1883)
Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - aged 19 - single.
Occupation Spinner Street Address 1026 Olive, W 13Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Cemetery Cedar Hill


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 20:45 BST (UK)
Pennsylvania, U.S., Veterans Card Files - M Joseph Watterson 1863 Philadelphia - aged 20 years - occupation printer.
Rank Private - Enlistment Date 7 Jun 1883 Pennsylvania.
Company Co G - Regiment 2nd Inf.

FIND A GRAVE

Cedar Hill Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85200596/joseph-m-watterson

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 21:04 BST (UK)
Thomas H Watterson - brother of John P Watterson born 1868 died 1889

Thos H Waterson - 1868 - 2 August 1889 Philadelphia (aged 21 years)
Denomination Cemetery or Funeral - Organization Name North Cedar Hill Cemetery.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85201385/thomas-h-watterson

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 July 21 21:07 BST (UK)
Death Cert -

Tho'S H Watterson - 1868 Philadelphia PA - died 2 August 1889 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Age 21 years - single.
Burial Date:   5 Aug 1889 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Occupation Pressman - Street Address: 1026 Olive Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Cemetery Cedar Hill - Father John Waterson - Mother Eliz Waterson.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 05 July 21 22:01 BST (UK)
Thomas Henry Watterson

Thomas H Watterson

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VK8J-P1M

DC: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6957-LRY?i=791&cc=1320976

The Times
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Sunday, August 04, 1889
Page: 7

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 05 July 21 22:02 BST (UK)
Joseph McMurray Watterson

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VK87-YZN

DC: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXFD-R2V

 Philadelphia Inquirer
Friday, Aug 24, 1883
Philadelphia, PA
Page: 5
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 05 July 21 22:30 BST (UK)
I am overwhelmed with all the information that you all have found - Sandra, RJ137, oldohiohome. Especially in such a difficult family situation with adoptions, etc.
I could not have found it myself. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 02:05 BST (UK)
I was lucky enough to find a tree on ancestry with  Elizabeth Jane Ferguson on it who married John Watterson in Philadelphia. The tree had her parents on it along with all her siblings. Unfortunately it does not have parents for John Watterson who this tree says was born in Ireland abt 1825. I would love to tie him into the rest of my Wattersons if I could. I have a John born 1821, 1822, 1823, 1824 and he might be one of them. Elizabeth Jane died in 1870 and John is on the 1870 census with the children but I don’t see him again. Perhaps his death record would give his parents if we knew when he died. Can anyone find him in 1880 or find his death?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 11:32 BST (UK)
A few entries that came up yesterday. There were 2 enumerations of the 1870 census - on the first one (13 June 1870) John was born 1820 - Post Office Byberry - ret farmer and the second enumeration (16 November 1870) shows him born 1825 - 4520 Post Office - Frankford - no occupation

1865 city director John Waterson - farmer - 648 Fkd ave. Fkd.

1870 census seems to show John M Watterson h 4520 Frankford

1870 city directory -  John M Waterson - 4520 Fkd, Fkd. Millinery.

1871 city directory -  John M Waiterson (per transcription - Waterson on image) 4520 Fkd, Fkd. Philadelphia. Millinery.

1875 city directory -  John M Waterson - 4520 Fkd, Fkd. Philadelphia. No occupation given.

One to discount -  John Waterson listed 923 Cantrell Street was 42 years old in 1886 - various entries for this one.

Nothing to positively identify this one - 1879 city directory -  John M Waterson - 64 Adams Fkd - Labourer

or this one in 1880 city directory  - John Waterson. 152 Unity, Fkd

The son John Waterson appears in City Directory 1890/1891/1892 -  1210 Potts - occupation printer. Plus various entries following years at 1026 Olive

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 11:59 BST (UK)
This may be a ;possible sighting of him - right area ? U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865 for John Waterson birth as of 1 st July 1863 - 44 years - but further along someone has made a comment - "says he is 47" - labourer - born Ireland.  7th Prec 23d Wd, Frankford Philadelphia.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 15:27 BST (UK)
You may have found John in Civil War registration - if 44 he would be born 1819, if 47, he would be born 1816. I do have a John Watterson born 1816 to Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods but who knows. He does name his first son Joseph but then again, the one tree that I found with Elizabeth Jane Ferguson on has her parents as Joseph Ferguson and Mary McIntyre.  And first son could be named after her father.
I wonder if we could narrow down John's death by other means. Mary Ferguson nee McIntyre (Elizabeth Jane Watterson's mother) died Dec 24, 1876 in Philadelphia. If she had an obit which mentions John Watterson, we would know if he was alive then.
Another thing I noticed is that when Mollie M. Watterson aka Mary McIntyre Watterson, died in 1900, the funeral was held at the home of her aunt Mrs. G. Kennedy. I found the death in 1916 in Pittsburgh of Mary Ferguson Kennedy with parents Joseph Ferguson and Mary McIntyre. Has to be same aunt. It is very doubtful John Watterson would be alive then but if he was, maybe Mary Kennedy's obit would mention him. Some Wattersons lived to age 100. Mary's death certificate says she was born May 1, 1849. However she was 6 on the 1850 census with her widowed mother Mary Ferguson whereas Eliza was 22 which makes Eliza born 1828 rather than 1832 as usually quoted. Eliza is not on the 1860 census with her mother but neither is she with John, that I can find.

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 15:41 BST (UK)
Another good obit to see if it mentions John Watterson is the death of his son Thomas H. in 1889, if there was an obit for Thomas.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 16:06 BST (UK)
Sorry haven't got much time to spare at mo but did notice the obit for Mary.

Obituary Mary Ferguson Kennedy - The Pittsburgh Press
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania - 18 Jun 1916, Sun    Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80902951/mary-ferguson-kennedy-18-june-1916/

Presume that there was only that death notice found for Thomas H Watterson (1889) rather than a full obit.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 16:18 BST (UK)
That's great Sandra to find Mary Kennedy's obit. Two more names to look at.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 16:20 BST (UK)
Death notice for Mary Ferguson  (nee McIntyre) died 24 December 1876

The Times Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
26 Dec 1876, Tue    Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80903642/mrs-mary-ferguson-26-december-1876/

FIND A GRAVE  - same death notice as above.

Mount Vernon Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania

Joseph Ferguson - died 1848

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106653430/joseph-ferguson

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 16:41 BST (UK)
Well, Mary Ferguson's death notice didn't help but thanks for looking.
On familysearch, it says that her daughter Mary married George Kennedy June 16, 1868. Might be in the papers since he was a lawyer.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 16:58 BST (UK)
Another thought. IF, only if, John is the son of Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods, his brother was Alexander Watterson that we researched before and Alexander died June 3, 1867 in Philadelphia. If he had an obit that mentions brother John we would have confirmation of parents. Alexander's wife Mary (maiden name unknown) died July 23, 1873. I don't think we had an obit before for Alexander.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 17:18 BST (UK)
Another thought. IF, only if, John is the son of Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods, his brother was Alexander Watterson that we researched before and Alexander died June 3, 1867 in Philadelphia. If he had an obit that mentions brother John we would have confirmation of parents. Alexander's wife Mary (maiden name unknown) died July 23, 1873. I don't think we had an obit before for Alexander.

Can you link the thread on Alexander ?

Are you going by the information on the anc tree - joseph Waterson 1773 - 1845 and Mary Woods  1788 - 1857 ?  With a John Waterson born 1816 ?   )

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 18:05 BST (UK)
I have done a search so I could link it and I may be confused with the Alexander that we researched who died in 1976, son of Joseph Watterson and Margaret Jane Patterson. The 1976 Alexander was a chauffeur who died in New York and was a brother to Margaret Helena Watterson.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848107.msg7153772#msg7153772

The 1867 Alexander was a son to Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods. He is mentioned on this tree https://www.ancestrylibrary.ca/family-tree/person/tree/158012972/person/222113793409?ssrc=&queryId=10b360b9d2d64602bfdbfd8a6c9fd20f&ml_rpos=2

Alexander and John are also on the Clarke tree and that is a very reliable source . At this time, we have no idea if this is the John Watterson that we are looking at, married to Elizabeth Jane Ferguson 
https://www.ancestrylibrary.ca/family-tree/person/tree/119335285/person/212035890714? ssrc=&queryId=3a91730c9881d4b5edc06ca48d10c981&ml_rpos=1
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 22:16 BST (UK)
I haven't found daughter Mollie aka Mary Watterson in 1880 or Thomas H., but I do find John P. age 14 and his brother Joseph 16 in the household of John  Snyder as a nephew. In actual fact, they would be nephews to Joseph Ferguson who is a son-in-law to John Snyder. What relationship does that make them to John Snyder? Anyway, what I'm saying is that I am thinking that John Watterson, their father, also died between 1870 and 1880 or why would the boys be with their uncle Joseph Ferguson? And where are Mollie and Thomas aka Harry?   
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 22:42 BST (UK)
Robert W. Ferguson, Eliza's brother, died 11 DEC 1886 • Philadelphia. Might he have an obit?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 22:54 BST (UK)
Robert W. Ferguson, Eliza's brother, died 11 DEC 1886 • Philadelphia. Might he have an obit?

The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
14 Dec 1886, Tue    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80930431/robert-ferguson-14-december-1886/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 22:59 BST (UK)
And where are Mollie and Thomas aka Harry?

Mary with the Ferguson family - transcribed as Wallerton on anc.

1880 census Jefferson Street Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Rachel Ferguson 35   Self (Head)
David Ferguson 32   Brother
George Kennedy 50   Brother-in-law
Mary F. Kennedy 29   Sister
Wm. J. Mc Clure 32   Brother-in-law
Sally F. Mc Clure 27   Sister
Mary J. Mc Clure 4   Niece
Mary Wallerton   16   Niece

family search entry under Wallerton as well

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWV9-RL9

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:15 BST (UK)
Great find Sandra! Mary "Wallerton" is found. That leaves Thomas. Enforces my theory that father John Watterson had died, unless he couldn't cope.
I was also going to ask about Rachel's obit, seeing as she was single, might mention more family relatives. She died  19 OCTOBER 1887 • Pennsylvania
Joseph Ferguson died 25 JUL 1903 • Philadelphia

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:23 BST (UK)
Great find Sandra! Mary "Wallerton" is found.
I was also going to ask about Rachel's obit, seeing as she was single, might mention more family relatives. She died  19 OCTOBER 1887 • Pennsylvania


Short death notice - The Times Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
21 Oct 1887, Fri    Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80932282/rachel-s-ferguson-21-october-1887/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:25 BST (UK)
Great find Sandra! Mary "Wallerton" is found.
Joseph Ferguson died 25 JUL 1903 • Philadelphia

The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
25 Jul 1903, Sat   Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80932547/ferguson-25-july-1903/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:29 BST (UK)
Directory of Deceased American Physicians, 1804-1929

Joseph Ferguson - Birth Date1840 - Death Date Jul 25, 1903  Philadelphia, PA
Practice Allopath Medical School University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, 1867, (G)

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:32 BST (UK)

James McIntire Ferguson - The Times Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
10 Nov 1885, Tue    Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27800939/will/?xid=637

Death of James Ferguson - The Times Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
6 Nov 1885, Fri    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27797975/obit/?xid=637

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra. These obits are not being particularly helpful.
How about George Sloan Ferguson,  3 SEP 1907 • Doylestown, Bucks, Pennsylvania
?
 Great obit on James M. Ferguson
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:42 BST (UK)

Knew you would ask ....  :)

The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
7 Sep 1907, Sat   Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80933469/george-s-ferguson-7-september-1907/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 06 July 21 23:49 BST (UK)
well, we are not solving the death of John Watterson, but thank you for all your help. I keep hoping someone will mention him.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 07 July 21 12:54 BST (UK)
What if we look for an obituary for John Watterson between 1870 and 1880?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:31 BST (UK)
I just phoned the NJ State Archives and they said that I may receive Benjamin's marriage record next week.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 07 July 21 23:50 BST (UK)
I now have a newspaper announcement for a marriage license between Lily E. Averell and James B. White but it says both of them are from Chester, PA.  That raises doubts but Virginia's marriage record in 1934 does says that her mother is Elizabeth White nee Averill.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 July 21 11:01 BST (UK)
There is a death of Lillian Elisa White in Los Angeles July 20, 1960. Trying to find out more.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 08 July 21 11:16 BST (UK)

Perhaps this will help you discount this one

FIND A GRAVE

Lillian Elisa Liebman White

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118089949/lillian-elisa-white

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 July 21 11:30 BST (UK)
You’re right. Wrong person. Thank you.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 July 21 16:54 BST (UK)
Thinking that possibly the 1923 marriage of  Lily E. Averell to James B. White is a red herring, I have looked for a different Averill/White marriage, also the  death of Elizabeth White anywhere in the USA, and the death of Lillian Averill/Everall/White anywhere anytime in USA after 1934 when she was in Englewood and I don't find anything.
I don't find John Watterson or his son Thomas H. in 1880 anywhere in Philadelphia. Thought maybe they were together.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 July 21 17:23 BST (UK)
I phoned Cedar Hill Cemetery main number to ask if John Watterson might be buried with his wife Elizabeth Jane Watterson nee Ferguson. When they go out to the cemetery next week, they will give me a call if John is buried with her. I gave them the names of all three family members - Elizabeth Jane, Mollie McIntyre, and Thomas H. Here's hoping we find John.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 July 21 20:35 BST (UK)
Cedar Hill Cemetery already called me back! John IS buried with Elizabeth Jane, his date of burial Jan 9, 1904. I wonder where he had been hiding. Joseph is also buried there, burial July 26,1883. I am so hoping that we can find out John's parents if he has a death certificate or an obit. So to recap, there is Elizabeth Jane, Mallie aka Mollie, Thomas H., John, and Joseph.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 July 21 20:38 BST (UK)
Uh, oh. The John who died 1904 is John Payson Watterson. How disappointing is that!
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 09 July 21 19:17 BST (UK)
I have been thinking more about the marriage of James B. White to Lily E. Averell in 1923. Since the newspaper article said they were both from Chester, PA, I  am thinking this marriage has nothing to do with Lizzie Watterson nee Averill. There is quite of pocket of Whites in Chester Co., PA, one of which was Margaret Jane White married to John Watterson that we researched a bit ago.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=850007.0   Hope this link works.
I tried to find the couple in 1930, thinking they were perhaps residing back in Chester but I have not had any luck. But there are a gazillion Whites in Chester.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 13 July 21 21:11 BST (UK)
Well, I have great news along with some more questions. First of all, the marriage arrived for Benjamin Watterson and Lizzie Averill and it was June 8, 1896( some records said 1895) in Camden, NJ. Both of them were resident in Philadelphia. Benjamin's parents were James Watterson and Margaret Hurl which means he is the same person who arrived in Philadelphia in Sept 1895 with wife Martha. Same old question - are Martha and Lizzie the same person, and were Benjamin and Martha really married at that time.  Martha was age 22. Benjamin age 23.
At time of marriage to Lizzie, he says he is age 21 yr 3 mo. and this is  his first marriage. Is it? No marriage was ever found to Martha. But Benjamin was born in 1870 so he was 26 in 1896. Lizzie was also age 21 (close to Martha's age) and it was her first marriage as well. Her parents were Isaac Averell and Margaret Sands and Lizzie was born Ireland. Her address before marriage was 1019 Vine St., Philadelphia. I  wonder if she was there in 1880 - she wouldn't be there if she was Martha who arrived in 1895.
Can Lizzie's death be found now that we know the name of her parents? Maybe we can find her birth which according to marriage record should be abt 1875. I was just looking for her birth and did not find it, either under Lizzie or Martha.
But making progress.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 13 July 21 21:46 BST (UK)
The only marriage that I can find for Isaac Averell  is to Margaret Jane Workman in 1874. I don't find an Eliza born to them officially but there is a family tree which says they had a daughter Eliza Feb 10, 1881 which would make her 15 at time of marriage.
Isaac also had a daughter Julia in 1878 according to that tree who married Andrew Griffen. There was an Andrew Griffen mentioned when Ignatius Watterson emigrated to Boston in 1909 but the word No is written below Andrew's name. This Andrew was in Scotland in 1901 and Illinois in 1920. Ignatius was Benjamin's brother. Ignatius Watterson and Isaac Averell were both from Mullen, Ballinderry.
There is another tree on ancestry with Isaac Averell which does not have a daughter Eliza but there are big gaps between the listed children where Eliza could fit.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 13 July 21 22:12 BST (UK)
Isaac is still  alive in 1911 in Ireland. So is Margaret Jane, says married 34 years (close), had 8 children, 6 living.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 July 21 22:18 BST (UK)
Ireland, Select Births and Baptism.  (no dates)

Isaac Averil - Spouse Margaret Jane Workman Averil
Child Eliza Averil.

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 July 21 22:19 BST (UK)
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index.  No dates.

Isaac Averill - Spouse Margaret J Workman
Child Eva T Kimberly

Sandra

Added second entry

Eva T Kimberly - Eva T Averill

Birth Date 30 Aug 1888 Republic of Ireland
Claim Date 4 Jun 1957
Father Isaac Averill
Mother Margaret J Workman

Notes 23 Apr 1957: Name listed as EVA T KIMBERLY
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 July 21 22:29 BST (UK)

Belfast Wednesday 7 October 1874
Marriage Announcement

Sandra



Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 13 July 21 23:28 BST (UK)
I am not  finding the births of any of the children of Isaac. Not registered? I have a contact person for the COI at Moneymore. Maybe they can find the children.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 02:56 BST (UK)
I reviewed the 1910  census with Benjamin Watterson and Lizzie. She is 28 so supports a dob of Feb 1881. Married 13 years which is close to marriage date of June 8, 1896.
I forgot to mention. When Virginia Watterson, formerly Gee and Digney, married John George Spencer in 1934, she said she was last divorced Apr 17, 1934. However, I found a divorce record in Aug 1974 in Los Angeles of Virginia Gee from Alfred Gee. Could explain why Virginia continued to use the name Gee even though "married" to John George Spencer.

Virginia L Gee
California Divorce Index, 1966-1984
Name:   
Virginia L Gee
Divorce Date:   
Aug 1974
Divorce Place:   
Los Angeles, California
Divorce Place (Original):   
Los Angeles
Spouse's Name:   
Alfred E Gee
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 03:02 BST (UK)
On the other hand, perhaps this 1974 divorce is  for Virginia Watterson's son who was Alfred E. Gee who may have been married to a Virginia L. someone.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 05:53 BST (UK)
I think Lizzy‘s sister Julia Averill firstly married Andrew Griffin and they went to Scotland and then Illinois. Julia remarried to Charles Sien and she died January 7, 1965 in Anaheim Orange California. Her obit might mention Lizzie if Lizzie is still alive in 1965 which I doubt.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 09:42 BST (UK)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGY7-NKRB

Jane Butler - Birth Date 28 Dec 1876 - Death Date 28 May 1962 Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name Workman.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 09:43 BST (UK)

Sister Jane Butler - Independent Long Beach, California
30 May 1962, Wed    Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81417398/obituary-for-jane-butler-aged-85/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 09:44 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

Jane Butler - 1877 - 1962

Westminster Memorial Park Westminster, Orange County, California.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/183993352/jane-butler

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 09:53 BST (UK)
Another daughter ???

Emma Averell 1890 (aged 21 years) marriage 25 March 1911 Delaware PA
Father Isaac Averill and  Mother Margaret Workman.
Spouse Albert Benson-  Aged 28 years.
Spouse's Father Wm and Spouse's Mother Elizabeth.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 13:45 BST (UK)
Good morning, Sandra. You are so good at finding these daughters. Thank you. So far no sons, neither on online trees or in what you have so cleverly found. I did wonder if the Matilda on the 1901 Irish census is Eva T. as in T for Tillie aka Matilda. Same age. 
It is curious that Lizzie would give her mother as Margaret Sands at time of marriage which is clearly not so.
Thanks again
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 13:56 BST (UK)
Another daughter who marries another Kimperly/Kimberly ?

Charles Kimperly - 1896 - marriage 29 July 1922 Lucas Ohio - aged 26 years
Father Charles Kimperly - Mother Elizabeth Peters
Spouse Dorothy L Averell.
Spouse's Father's Nam Isaac Averell - Spouse's Mother's Name Margaret Workman

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q4M-XFB

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:00 BST (UK)
Strange - Same date but this shows it was Eva L Averill.
place of birth :- Scotland ?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-BG5T-Q?i=78&cc=1614804

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:21 BST (UK)
Hmm, Eva Virginia makes sense to me because Virginia runs in the family. I have to wonder if all these differences in names, etc. are due to lack of literacy or lack of knowledge or what. Another great find by you. Thank you.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:23 BST (UK)
I did find the death of a Lizzie White on January 7, 1961 in Los Angeles and an Essie Lizzie White on 17 January 1941. I wonder if either one of them is our Lizzie. No other info on FamilySearch.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:24 BST (UK)
I just found another entry for Lizzie Whyte who died January 7, 1961 and her mother was gamble so not our Lizzie
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:29 BST (UK)
Twila Joan Bouy -  Twila Joan Wilson  Twila Wilson Twila Joan Kimberly

Birth Date 24 Jul 1923 Huron Huron, Ohio - [Huron Erie, Ohio  ]
Death Date 16 Nov 1993
Father Charles H Kimberly - Mother Eva Averill.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:31 BST (UK)
Twila Joan Wilson Twila Joan Kimberly
Birth Date 24 Jul 1923 Sandusky, Erie, Ohio, USA - Death Date 16 Nov 1993 - aged 70 years
Death Hospital Hospital/Inpatient -= Death Place Sandusky, Erie, USA
Inquest Hospital Providence Hospital - Registrar's Certificate Number 083815
Father Kimberly
Inquest Questions time of Death: 09:35 AM

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:32 BST (UK)
marriage application - The Sandusky Register
Sandusky, Ohio - 24 Oct 1949, Mon   Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81422521/marriage-of-wilson-bouy/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:40 BST (UK)
Strange info  ??

1940 census Oxford, Erie, Ohio.

Charles Kimberly 56   Head
Eve Kimberly 43   Wife. born England. 1897. ?  NA
Twila Kimberly   16   Daughter

1930 census Ranson Road Oxford, Erie, Ohio.

Charles A Kimberley 36   Head. born Ohio. Age at first marriage 26
E?A Kimberley   32   Wife. born Scotland ? Imm 1905 ? NA.  Age at first marriage 15

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:42 BST (UK)
Hmm interesting .....

Tillie E Kimberly - 1888 died 23 October 1962 Toledo Lucas.  Residence Sandusky Erie Ohio - aged 74 years
Inquest Hospital Toledo Mental Health Center
Registrar's Certificate Number 75475

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:45 BST (UK)


Obituary Tillie Eva Kimberly

The Sandusky Register Sandusky, Ohio
23 Oct 1962, Tue    Page 6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81422968/mrs-tillie-eva-kimberly-23-octiber/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:47 BST (UK)

Obituary Charles Kimberly -

The Sandusky Register, Ohio
28 Jul 1944, Fri    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81423045/charles-kimberly-28-july-1944/

The Sandusky Register Sandusky, Ohio
12 Aug 1944, Sat   Page 6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81423123/card-of-thanks-12-august-1944/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:55 BST (UK)


Albert Averill Benson 24 October 1913 - baptism 29 November 1914 - aged 1 -
Baptism Place Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Church Presbyterian Church of the Redeemer
Father Albert Benson - Mother Emily Averill Benson.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 14:57 BST (UK)
Hmm look where they are living in 1930 - Wiseburn Precinct Inglewood, Los Angeles, California.

Albert Benson 47   Head
Emily Benson 36   Wife
Albert A Benson   16   Son
Emily B Benson 9   Daughter

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCJV-W8P

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:06 BST (UK)
I did find the marriage record of Charles Wilson to Twila Buoy on Oct 29, 1949 in Erie Co., Ohio. So Twila's first marriage was to a Buoy/Bouy.
Eva's place of birth keeps changing - England,Scotland, Ireland. I  opt for Ireland. But you are right. Strange census info. The marriage record that you sent before shows Charles H. as age 30 and Eva Virginia as age 26 but very doubtful of Eva's age. Wonder if in 1930, the age at marriage should say 25 rather than 15.
Before I  could post this, I  see Twila's first husband was James Bouy as per father's obit.
Thanks ever so much. You are figuring this out despite the changes in info.
Oh, I  see another update. Amazing. Emma now Emily living in Inglewood in 1930.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:17 BST (UK)
Appears in city directory from 1929 - 1938

Inglewood, California, City Directory, 1938 - Emily Benson - textile winder - J P Easley

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:23 BST (UK)

Passport application for Emily in 1923 - second page has photo

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9D4-5N99?i=171&cc=2185145&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQV5Y-NXYC

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89D4-5NFC?i=172&cc=2185145  (with photograph)

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:26 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

Albert Averelle Benson1913 - 1967

Woodlawn Memorial Park Compton, Los Angeles County, California.
PLOT   Section 9-1, Lot 037, Grave 1S

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88358697/albert-averelle-benson

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:31 BST (UK)
Great to see passport application for Emily. She says she is going to visit parents so if true, they lived till after 1923. Couldn't have lived much longer as Isaac was born abt 1836 and Margaret abt 1849. I last found parents on the 1911 census.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:32 BST (UK)
daughter Emilie Bernice Benson/Tarrant - 31 December 1972

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPHJ-Q28?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=GSKB-8SC

https://billiongraves.com/grave/Bernice-E-Tarrant/17379463

Sandra


Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:40 BST (UK)
This could be Emily remarried ???

1940 census Hildreth Avenue San Antonio, Los Angeles, California.

Harold W Shenton   38   Head
Emily Shenton 43   Wife. Born 1897. Northern Ireland. Silk Winder at Textile Mill
Howard Shenton 15   Son
Phyllis Shenton 12   Daughter

California Voters List - Mrs Emily Shenton
Residence Date:   1944
Street Address:   10129 Hildreth av Los Angeles, California.
Party Affiliation Democrat - Occupation housewife, D

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 15:41 BST (UK)


California Death Index - Emily Shenton died 13 October 1961 Los Angeles, California.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGTN-3SYM

mothers maiden name Workman

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:VGRX-XHP

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 16:19 BST (UK)
I am sure you are correct about Emily’s remarriage. You are fantastic.
I have looked hard for Lizzie in Inglewood in 1930 but without luck. I looked again after Emily moved there, to see if Lizzie was nearby. Still wondering if the Jan 17, 2941 death might be her.  Long shot but …….
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 16:19 BST (UK)
Sorry, should say 1941 death
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 17:02 BST (UK)
I am sure you are correct about Emily’s remarriage. You are fantastic.
I have looked hard for Lizzie in Inglewood in 1930 but without luck. I looked again after Emily moved there, to see if Lizzie was nearby. Still wondering if the Jan 17, 2941 death might be her.  Long shot but …….

No that's not Lizzie White.  :-\

Leza Covington White - 1 March 1874 - 17 January 1941 Alameda California
Mother's Maiden Name Wells - Father's Surname White

Obituary - Oakland Tribune Oakland, California
19 Jan 1941, Sun    Page 47

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81429938/obituary-for-lena-covington-white/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 17:19 BST (UK)
Thank you ever so much for trying. I notice that all 4 of her siblings died between 1961-1965 which is not to say that Lizzie did.
I have written to the COI in Moneymore which may not be the correct church but we will see. There is a church on every corner, literally, maybe even more than one. I was to  Ballinderry one day 2 years ago but wouldn't say I am familiar with the area. Isaac and Margaret were married in the COI, Parish of Ballinderry. Maybe the church is in Cookstown. I asked about the baptisms of their children. We have 5 out of 8.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 17:39 BST (UK)
U.S., World War II Draft Cards Young Men  Harold Wainman Shenton - 27 September 1901 England registered for draft 15 Feb 1942 ( aged 40 years) Los Angeles, California.
Residence Place Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, USA
Employer:   Dix Manufacturing Co
Height:   5 9 - Weight:   155
Complexion Light Hair Color Brown - Eye Color Brown
Next of Kin Emily Shenton.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 17:43 BST (UK)


marriage - Harold W Shenton - Marriage 28 Mar 1939
Marriage Place Unknown, California, USA
Spouse Emily Benson.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 17:51 BST (UK)
This is great. I figured Emily's remarriage was 1938-1940 since she was on the 1938 city directory as Emily Benson and then on the 1940 census with Harold. So did Albert Benson die or did they divorce, is the question.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 19:45 BST (UK)

Date of birth given on the passport page after Emily Benson photo

Albert Benson 1 June 1882 Pennsylvania died 2 November 1944 Los Angeles.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGZ3-N8J1

spouse Daisy Benson -

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 14 July 21 19:49 BST (UK)


1940 census Compton Judicial Township, Los Angeles, California.
Last place of residence Inglewood California.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:K978-TK7

Buried - Inglewood Memorial Park Cemetery.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99SJ-PQ98?i=1419&cc=2001287&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQGZ3-N8J1

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 20:35 BST (UK)
For whatever reason, none of the links to familysearch records are working today. But I go into familysearch directly, and find the record. Daisy was Andrea Trannum 1882-1968 m. July 9, 1939.
You are amazing.
I got a reply already from the Church of Ireland in Moneymore. Not the correct church for the Averell family. So I have now written to the Ballinderry church, hoping to get a reply.


Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 14 July 21 23:46 BST (UK)
I found another daughter Sarah Averill born abt 1887 who stayed in Ireland and married John Charleton in 1910.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 15 July 21 23:47 BST (UK)
Getting back to John Watterson married to Eliza Jane Ferguson. She died in 1870 and John is found on the 1870 census, twice, first time perhaps July and second time Nov. then we don't find John again.
Eliza and all the children are buried together but no John. Is there any way to search for his death using possible parents Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 00:39 BST (UK)
With help from a fellow poster, I have the deaths of Isaac Averill  and Margaret Jane nee Workman. He died Dec 28, 1924 and she died Jan 10, 1926. The husband of the one daughter who remained in Ireland was present at their deaths. So we have all 6 of the 8 living children as of 1911 as specified on the census. And Emily's passport application in 1923 to go  to Ireland to see her parents was accurate.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 07:04 BST (UK)
With help from a fellow poster, I have the deaths of Isaac Averill  and Margaret Jane nee Workman. He died Dec 28, 1924 and she died Jan 10, 1926. The husband of the one daughter who remained in Ireland was present at their deaths. So we have all 6 of the 8 living children as of 1911 as specified on the census. And Emily's passport application in 1923 to go  to Ireland to see her parents was accurate.

1911 census reads - Children born alive 8 - children still living was 6 (so 2 had died)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003422584/

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 07:10 BST (UK)
Getting back to John Watterson married to Eliza Jane Ferguson. She died in 1870 and John is found on the 1870 census, twice, first time perhaps July and second time Nov. then we don't find John again.
Eliza and all the children are buried together but no John. Is there any way to search for his death using possible parents Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods.



Reply 71 - city directories indicated John was still living at 4520 Frankford in 1875.

Searched with the parents Joseph Watterson/Waterson/Waiterson and Mary Woods but sadly didn't come across him.

A few entries that came up yesterday. There were 2 enumerations of the 1870 census - on the first one (13 June 1870) John was born 1820 - Post Office Byberry - ret farmer and the second enumeration (16 November 1870) shows him born 1825 - 4520 Post Office - Frankford - no occupation

1865 city director John Waterson - farmer - 648 Fkd ave. Fkd.

1870 census seems to show John M Watterson h 4520 Frankford

1870 city directory -  John M Waterson - 4520 Fkd, Fkd. Millinery.

1871 city directory -  John M Waiterson (per transcription - Waterson on image) 4520 Fkd, Fkd. Philadelphia. Millinery.

1875 city directory -  John M Waterson - 4520 Fkd, Fkd. Philadelphia. No occupation given.

One to discount -  John Waterson listed 923 Cantrell Street was 42 years old in 1886 - various entries for this one.

Nothing to positively identify this one - 1879 city directory -  John M Waterson - 64 Adams Fkd - Labourer

or this one in 1880 city directory  - John Waterson. 152 Unity, Fkd

The son John Waterson appears in City Directory 1890/1891/1892 -  1210 Potts - occupation printer. Plus various entries following years at 1026 Olive

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 19:48 BST (UK)
I should have worded my reply about the 6 living children of Isaac and Margaret Jane differently. I should have said 6 living children out of 8 births. The one that did not emigrate was Sarah who was still alive in 1926 when her mother died.
I was so excited to hear from the Ballinderry Parish this morning and they confirm the births/baptisms of Jane, Julia, Elizabeth, Emily (not Emma) and Matilda who became Eva T. as in Tillie for Matilda. Jane however was born Dec 28, 1875 (not 1876) so she would be the firstborn. Emily was born July 31, 1891 and baptised Mar 8, 1892 so she would be the last born of the ones we know about.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:29 BST (UK)


Julia Matilda Gioviale - Julia M Gioviale - Julia Matilda Charleton

Birth Date 15 Mar 1922 Coagh Co Tyrone died 8 Nov 2001
Father John Charleton - Mother Sarah Averil

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:30 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

Julia “Tillie” Gioviale 1922 - 2001

Oak Bluff Memorial Park Port Neches, Jefferson County, Texas.
PLOT   Praying Hands

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47455400/julia-gioviale

SSDI - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JLF6-DM6

Obituary - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK26-9NQR

Husband Frank Gioviale - 1915 - 2006

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19697195/frank-gioviale

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~txjeffer/Jefferson_County_Vital_Records/cemeteries/Oak_Bluff/OakBluff00g.htm

Obituary Genealogy Bank Frank Gioviale -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKT-KMZH

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:34 BST (UK)
Danny Gioviale - Birth Date 24 Apr 1951 Jefferson, Texas.
Father Frank Gioviale - Mother Julia Matilda Charleton.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VDX9-Q8F

Gioviale                   Danny                            43   01/24/1995                                 04/24/1951    Port Arthur, TX              01/28/1995
Gioviale                   Danny                            43   01/24/1995                                 04/24/1951    Port Arthur, TX              01/27/1995

https://www.genealogybuff.com/tx/9501houc.htm

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:35 BST (UK)
SSDI - Danny Gioviale - Birth Date 24 Apr 1951 Port Arthur, Texas - Death Date 24 Jan 1995
Death Certificate Number:   Downtown Chapel.

Texas Death Index - Brazoria Texas

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VZFD-8H4

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:38 BST (UK)
New York Passenger List - arriving on the James Parker - 6 May 1946 -  Julia M Gioviale - 23 years and a daughter "R" 10 months

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:76VQ-953Z

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:44 BST (UK)

Texas, U.S., Naturalization Records - Julia Matilda Gioviale - aged 31 years - petition -
Birth Date 15 Mar 1922 Coagh Cookstown, County Tyrone, North Ireland
Arrival Date 6 May 1946 New York City, New York.
Declaration Date abt 1953 Beaumont, Texas, USA
Spouse Frank Gioviale. Married 1 September 1944 - Lisburn Co Antrim Northern Ireland.
Lawful admission for permanent residence on the James Parker - 6 th May 1946

Note the daughter named is not "R" but "S" 4/6/1947

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 20:50 BST (UK)
Wow, you are impressive, Sandra. I did not have any births after 1911 for Sarah and John - there was a Mary Agnes on the 1911 in Ireland, age 11 months. So Julia married before 1946 if her name was Gioviale and she had a daughter 10 months. Oh now I  see her marriage date on your last posting - and in Ireland at that. I looked on Google Earth for the Ballinderry Parish Church and it looks close to Lisburn.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:53 BST (UK)
Interesting article .............When Texan Frank Gioviale lost a uniform button during World War II, he found his wife etc etc..............

Nurse Tillie Charlton sat near him in the café in Ireland.

https://dentonrc.com/news/landmarks-and-legacies-vets-village-housed-wave-of-world-war-ii-vets/article_8e2088d1-3ddd-55b0-b394-3a618a5d606b.html

The Paris News Paris, Texas
10 Mar 1946, Sun    Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81581980/frank-gioviale-10-march-1946/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 20:58 BST (UK)

Gioviale String Trio

https://www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/gp03.htm

Cherokee has become synonymous with PN-G tradition. Cherokee was arranged by the PN-G band director Frank Gioviale and had its origin as a half-time performance for an out-of-town football game. This first half-time performance featured Cherokee with the drum major in the long headdress down to the waist and the twirlers headdresses down to their shoulders.  It was such a huge success they used it all during the year, and it eventually became the fight song.

https://www.pngisd.org/Page/16

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 21:04 BST (UK)
Fascinating story about Frank Gioviale in Ireland and later in Gioviale string trio. You do know how to dig up  fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 21:05 BST (UK)
Fort Worth Star-Telegram Fort Worth, Texas
10 May 1946, Fri    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81582081/irish-brides-first-home-10-may-1946/

Fort Worth Star-Telegram Fort Worth, Texas
24 Sep 1939, Sun   Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81582200/frank-gioviale-24-september-1939/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 21:06 BST (UK)
The son Danny - The Brazosport Facts Clute, Texas
10 Aug 1977, Wed    Page 34

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81582373/danny-gioviale-10-august-1977/

The Brazosport Facts Clute, Texas
15 Jun 1977, Wed    Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81582534/danny-gioviale-biology-teacher/

 HOUSTON CHRONICLE OBITUARIES
                                                                                  January 1995

Gioviale                   Danny                            43   01/24/1995                                 04/24/1951    Port Arthur, TX              01/28/1995
Gioviale                   Danny                            43   01/24/1995                                 04/24/1951    Port Arthur, TX              01/27/1995

https://www.genealogybuff.com/tx/9501houc.htm


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 21:14 BST (UK)
Fascinating couple and fascinating life. Massive change for Julia from possibly quiet life in Ireland to wife of famous violinist. Thanks for sharing articles about Frank and Julia.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 21:41 BST (UK)


Nice to be able to find pieces like that to give an insight into there lives.  :)
Probably lots more small snippets to be found.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 21:47 BST (UK)

Daughter - retired teacher -

https://www.therecordlive.com/story/2019/09/10/news/retired-teacher-hoke-lands-athena-award/27977.html

https://kogt.com/hoke-named-athena-winner/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 21:49 BST (UK)

Husband of the daughter - Michael Hoke - 1948 - 2016
Published by The Beaumont Enterprise on Jan. 16, 2016.

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/beaumontenterprise/name/michael-hoke-obituary?pid=177319580

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 22:22 BST (UK)
Well, they were an impressive family, giving back to their communities.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 16 July 21 22:39 BST (UK)
Is S H a daughter to Frank and Julia? Possibly the firstborn in 1946?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 July 21 23:06 BST (UK)
Yes but we can't name her on here (living person)- not the first born - that was "R"  (as per the passenger list in 1946)  - "S" born 1947
and Danny 1951 (now deceased)

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 19 July 21 22:46 BST (UK)
With the help of a fellow poster, I now have the marriage record of John Spencer and Virginia Watterson's daughter Jane to Henry Joseph Samaniego in 1954 in Inglewood, California. Jane was age 16 and lived at 683 N. Ramona Ave. Witness was Joann Fry which may be her half-sister Joan nee Digney. Jane subsequently married Richard Albert Alves in 1967 but they divorced in 1972. Richard died in 2014. Don't know if Jane remarried after her divorce  from Richard or if she is still  alive.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 24 July 21 19:46 BST (UK)
Researching the Averill family further, I have learned that Lizzie's g grandfather Thomas Averill married Mary Watterson in 1846 in Ireland.
At least 3 of her father Isaac's siblings emigrated to Philadelphia. These include John Averill who died before 1910, Sarah who died Apr 26, 1914 (don't know if she was married), and Nicholas Averill who died Apr 17, 1913. Wife of Nicholas was Isabella Hoey/Hovey. All of these had parents Nicholas Averill and Matilda Anderson. Don't know if any of these obits would mention  their niece Lizzie Watterson nee Averill. Isabella Averill died Nov 10,1928 in Chicago.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:19 BST (UK)

John Averell - Age76 - Birth Date 13 Apr 1845 Ireland - Death Date 6 May 1921 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Father N Averell - Mother M Anderson - Certificate Number 52244
Informant Mrs John Averell.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:22 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

John Averell 1845 - 1921

Saint James of Kingsessing Churchyard Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153938745/john-averell

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:29 BST (UK)

1900 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M37N-6N5

1910 census https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MGD5-7TX

1920 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXSZ-PWP

Sandra

John Averell found in 10 anc trees
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:35 BST (UK)
Are you working off information in a family tree - you didn't know Sarah married name which makes me ask ?

Sarah Berryman - Sarah Averall  - Age 73
Birth Date 15 Mar 1841 - Birth Place Ireland
died 26 Apr 1914   Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Father Nicholas Averall - Mother Matilda Anderson
Certificate Number 43160

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:37 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

Sarah Averell Berryman 1884 - 1914  birth date wrong - ??  Two daughters listed born 1865 and 1870

   
Ivy Hill Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153947491/sarah-berryman

Sandra

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153947491/sarah-berryman
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:43 BST (UK)

1870 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ5Y-3SC

1880 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWJG-6GS

1900 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3WQ-Q5W

1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGZ2-V82

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:48 BST (UK)


Sarah Jane Berryman - birth Sarah Jane Berryman - 20 June 1865 - Magherafelt. Ireland.
mothers name - Mother's Name   Sarah Averill Berryman. Father William Berryman.

William Berryman - Father's Nam George Berryman - Spouse's Name Sarah Averell
Spouse's Father's Name Nicholas Averell - Marriage Date 9 Jun 1863
Ballinderry, Magherafelt, County Londonderry, Ireland

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 July 21 20:50 BST (UK)

Death Notice Sarah Berryman - The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
27 Apr 1914, Mon    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82102815/sarah-berryman-27-april-1914/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 24 July 21 21:55 BST (UK)
Sandra,
You are very quick at finding these people. On findagrave,it says Elizabeth born Delaware but i think that is Delaware Co., Pennsylvania as the 1870 census says she was born Pennsylvania.
Thanks for finding John's death in 1921, which is later than thought.
I  see a brother-in-law David Donelly with John in 1910. I looked for him in 1900 and I see a Jane Mary Donnelly. John had a sister Mary in 1842 and a sister Jane in 1853 neither of which fit Jane Mary born 1858. Unless Jane Mary is a sibling to John's wife Maggie for whom we do not have a surname as yet.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 02:03 BST (UK)
Wondering if John Averell’s wife Margaret died Feb.10, 1927 and if her maiden name was Keenan. And if David Donnelly married her sister Mary Jane Keenan. Just a guess at the moment.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 13:19 BST (UK)


1880 census Boyds Avenue Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
John and Margaret with brother-in-law Daniel Donnelly.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWJC-CVB

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 13:26 BST (UK)
Is this a possibility ?

1900 census Hope Street Philadelphia Ward 33, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3WJ-FNZ

1910 census North Front Street Philadelphia Ward 33, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MGWK-557

1920 census North Front Street Philadelphia Ward 33, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MXSX-GNN

1930 census North Front Street Philadelphia

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHW6-9J1

Death - Name:   Daniel Donnelly - Age 70
Birth Date 1861 Ireland - died 5 May 1931 Philadelphia
Father Patrick DonnellyMother Bridget Mc Cann
Spouse Jane Quinn Donnelly.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 13:28 BST (UK)
Death Jane - Jane Donnelly - Jane Guinon  - Age 62
Birth Date 4 Apr 1865 Ireland died 4 Jun 1927 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Father John Guinon ( should be Quinn) - Mother Jane O'Donnell
Informant son Daniel Donnell 2730 North Front Street  Philadelphia.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 13:32 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

Daniel Joseph Donnelly  - 1857 - 1931

New Cathedral Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/206623427/daniel-joseph-donnelly

Jane Quinn Donnelly - 1862 - 1927  obit attached - The Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 08 Jun 1927, Wednesday, Page 21

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211355383/jane-donnelly

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 14:06 BST (UK)
There seems to be some confusion in online trees. According to one tree, there is a John Averell born Philadelphia in 1854 (ours was born Ireland) son of Hugh Averell who married Margaret Donnelly in 1874 which is the same year that our John married Maggie. That John died 1882 in Philadelphia. However, if you follow the censuses, Hugh's son John was still single in 1880, and his death certificate also says single.
So  it must be our John who married Margaret Donnelly.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 25 July 21 15:18 BST (UK)
John Averell of 1638 Wood St-death

Philadelphia Inquirer
Sunday, May 08, 1921
Philadelphia, PA
Page: 19

======

Margaret Averell of 1638 Wood St-death

Philadelphia Inquirer
Sunday, February 13, 1927
Philadelphia, PA
Page: 23
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 15:29 BST (UK)
Thank you RJ137. This nicely links John and Margaret’s deaths, via the address.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 25 July 21 15:37 BST (UK)
Nicholas Averell - death

Philadelphia Inquirer
Friday, Apr 18, 1913
Philadelphia, PA
Page: 14
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 18:40 BST (UK)
Thanks again, RJ137. Very nice to have these death notices. Too bad no obits naming relatives.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 18:54 BST (UK)
Thank you Sandra for following Daniel Donnelly which gave us John's wife Maggie's parents' names.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:05 BST (UK)
Really not sure that is the correct Daniel Donnelly, Peggy.  :-\  Daniel would have needed to return to Ireland, marry Jane and return to Philadelphia in 1888  :-\  (it is not unusual for someone to travel back and forward but there is no indication in any record that he gives an earlier immigration date)

marriage - 1 May 1882 -  Stranorlar, Donegal County, Ireland.

Daniel Donnelly - Date of Registration 1882, Apr-May-Jun - Registration district Stranolar, Ireland - Volume2 Page number 340

The record for Jane Quinn does not give the same ref numbers - neither is Daniel Donnelly mentioned !! Jane Quinn - Date of Registration:   1882, Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Stranolar, Ireland - Volume 2 Page number 349

Per civil marriage record...address : Ballybofey Occupation: labourer over 21 and a bachelor. Fathers name Patrick Donnelly a laborer. Jane, from Ballybofey,  a laborer, father John Quinn
(source from anc tree)

I came across a petition for naturalization for Daniel Donnelly 2730 North Front Street.  Born 1857 Pomeroy, Ireland. Says he immigrated 1888. (See below)

Philadelphia Passenger List - Daniel, Jane, Mary, Ellen - Danl Donnelly - Arrival Age30 Birth Date1859 - Departure Place - Liverpool, England - Arrival Date18 Apr 1889 - Arrival Place, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Ship British Prince.

1880 USA census was June 1880.

Sandra






Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:34 BST (UK)
Mary J Donnelly wife of David Donnelly ?

The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
15 Aug 1908, Sat    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82165520/obituary-for-mary-j-donnelly/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:36 BST (UK)
Mary J Donnelley - Mary J Reenan  (should read Keenan) - Age 50
Birth Date 1858    Ireland - died   13 Aug 1908  Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Father John Reenan (should read Keenan) - Mother Margaret Foresythe - Certificate Number 82439
Informant J F Carroll.

David was widowed when he appeared with John Averell in 1910 -

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:37 BST (UK)


Ireland birth -    Mary Jane Keenan
Birth Date:   27 Mar 1857 - Baptism Date 9 Apr 1857 Kilrea, Londonderry, Ireland
Father John Keenan - Mother Margt

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 20:44 BST (UK)
I think you have found David's wife and it was Keenan as I wondered about earlier. As for Daniel, I tried hard to find daughter Mary's death in Scotland hoping it might say father in Philadelphia or something like that. But didn't find the correct Mary.
thank you for all your help.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:46 BST (UK)

David Donnelly  - The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
4 Jun 1912, Tue    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82166555/david-donnelly-4-june-1912/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:53 BST (UK)
I think you have found David's wife and it was Keenan as I wondered about earlier. As for Daniel, I tried hard to find daughter Mary's death in Scotland hoping it might say father in Philadelphia or something like that. But didn't find the correct Mary.
thank you for all your help.

Did you mean Mary daughter of Daniel Donnelly and Jane Quinn ?

Mary Scullin - Mary Donnelly  - Age 83
Birth Date 7 Apr 1884 Birth Place Scotland
Death Date 19 Dec 1967 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Father Daniel Donnelly Mother Jane Donnelly
Spouse John P. Scullin
Certificate Number 123554-67

Sandra



Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 July 21 20:56 BST (UK)


The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
22 Dec 1967, Fri    Page 28

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82167386/obituary-for-mary-scullin/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 25 July 21 21:00 BST (UK)
Great finding David's death. Yes, I did mean Mary, daughter of Daniel, but I see I said death not birth. I tried about 6 different births.
As for Daniel, I tried hard to find daughter Mary's death in Scotland
I see you have now found Mary's death. You are fabulous.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 26 July 21 19:17 BST (UK)
Nicholas Averell's wife Isabella died in Chicago on Feb 10, 1928. Her parents were James Hovey and Margaret Patterson. I wonder if her obit might mention her niece Lizzie Averell who was possibly Lizzie White before 1928.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 29 July 21 16:19 BST (UK)
I have learned from St. John's COI, Ballinderry Parish, that Lizzie's mother Margaret Jane Workman had a twin brother William George, also born Feb 8,1850 although I don't really want to get diverted into the Workman family. Still hoping to find Lizzie's death. I have requested her sister Julia Sien's obit from Orange Co. in the hopes something is mentioned about the rest of the family, if there is an obit.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 31 July 21 21:04 BST (UK)
I now have the details of the marriage of James B. White to Lily E. Averell in 1923. Her parents were George Averell and Elizabeth Workman, and Lily was born 1899 in  Philadelphia. So  Lily and our Lizzie are not the same person, although likely related. Wonder if Elizabeth Workman and Margaret Jane, mother of Lizzie, are siblings. I don't have George as a sibling to Isaac who is Lizzie's father. Lily and James were both residents of Chester , PA in 1923 at time of marriage.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 August 21 02:18 BST (UK)
Lily e. Averell was born March 1899 in Philadelphia as per her marriage record to James B. White, her parents George Averell and Elizabeth Workman. I can't find the family in 1900. James b. White was born poss. 1889 as per marriage record (difficult to read). both his parents John White and Catherine Tobin are deceased before 1923 marriage. I can't find them either in 1900. Can anyone find them? Looking for ages and siblings.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 03 August 21 11:12 BST (UK)
Lily e. Averell was born March 1899 in Philadelphia as per her marriage record to James B. White, her parents George Averell and Elizabeth Workman. I can't find the family in 1900. James b. White was born poss. 1889 as per marriage record (difficult to read). both his parents John White and Catherine Tobin are deceased before 1923 marriage. I can't find them either in 1900. Can anyone find them? Looking for ages and siblings.
Full name = Lily Ethel Averell
Birth looks more like Mar.1893?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRBQ-NH3?cc=1589502

Added- if birthdate is March 1899 here's a Lilliam White-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J1MP-QWT
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 03 August 21 11:36 BST (UK)
James Bernard White born 15 Nov.1883 Scranton, Penn., parents John White & Katherine Tobin.
1934- resided at 624 No. 16th St., Omaha, Nebraska with wife Jennie Elizabeth White

Died 23 Jan.1938 at Chicago, Illinois (wife Jennie), both parents born Co. Cork in Ireland
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 August 21 13:51 BST (UK)
Wow, that is impressive, aghadowey. I don’t know how you did it but thank you. I notice difference in wife’s name but likely same person. I thought James’ mother was Catherine Tobin even though it was transcribed as Catherine Solen at time of marriage.
Thanks again.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 August 21 14:46 BST (UK)
I have looked on findagrave at the Lillian White who died in 1969 and I don’t think it is the correct Lillian. There is a gravestone photo which seems to have all the wrong people.
It is amazing how many James Whites were born in 1883 in Pennsylvania.
I found one who married Isabel Young in 1905 and had several children but our James says he was not married before 1923. In 1920, Isabel is transcribed as Orible.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 03 August 21 15:13 BST (UK)
Wow, that is impressive, aghadowey. I don’t know how you did it but thank you. I notice difference in wife’s name but likely same person. I thought James’ mother was Catherine Tobin even though it was transcribed as Catherine Solen at time of marriage.

Not sure wife Jennie is Lily Ethel  :-\
Lily could be a nickname for Elizabeth or some other Christian name.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 01:56 BST (UK)
I found more than one tree with John White and Katherine Tobin and there is much confusion between trees but one seems correct as far as I have checked so far. It has James B. on it although he had a previous marriage to Mary Martin in 1900 as per this tree (he would only be 17). John White died abt 1901 as Katherine remarried abt 1902 (as per 1910 census) to Michael Hennessy. If I have found the correct Katherine in 1920 in Philadelphia, Michael has died. Katherine supposedly died in 1923 as per this tree.
Would like James' death record for Jan 23,1938 in Chicago to verify parents' names. Or an obit.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 03:17 BST (UK)
I found a transcript of James’ death in Chicago. Date of birth was given as October 15, 1883 instead of November 15 but I think it’s the same person. Place of birth is Scranton. Parents are Michael White and Catherine Tobin whereas it should be John White and Katherine Tobin.  Michael Hennessy was her second husband.
Now to determine if Jennie is the same person as Lily Ethel.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 14:48 BST (UK)
There is a Jennie E. White born 1890, died 1951 who is buried in Forest Home cemetery,  Forest Park, Illinois which is the same cemetery as James B. White who died 1938. Can anyone find more details on her exact date of death, parents names, etc.?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 15:44 BST (UK)
Michael Hennessy, age 65, widower of Katherine White nee Tobin, is on the 1930 census in Pennsylvania with his stepson Frank White married to Annie Gallagher. This confirms that Katherine may have died 1923. And that Michael died after 1930.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 17:38 BST (UK)

Michael Hennessy = 15 February 1863 Wales - 7 March 1937 Newton Lackawanna PA
Age:   74 - widower - coronary thrombosis (instant death)  - contributory chlorine gas poisoning.
Hillside Home Sewage Disposal Plant.
Father Daniel Hennessy - Mother Mary Anderson - informant Katherine G Lavelle.
Certificate Number 31333 - Burial Hillside Cemetery. Lackawanna. 3/9/1937.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 17:41 BST (UK)


Catherine Hennessy/Toben - 21 June 1856 Wales - 24 May 1923 Scranton Lackawanna PA - aged 66 years.
Age:   66 - widow.
Father John Toben - Mother Margareth Walch - informant William Smith.
Certificate Number 62234 - Burial - Cathedral Cemetery.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Wednesday 04 August 21 18:10 BST (UK)
Michael Hennessy, age 65, widower of Katherine White nee Tobin, is on the 1930 census in Pennsylvania with his stepson Frank White married to Annie Gallagher. This confirms that Katherine may have died 1923. And that Michael died after 1930.

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
Friday, May 25, 1923
Page 33


Mrs. Catherine Hennessy aged sixty-nine years, of 1104 Philo street, died yesterday morning after a short illness. She is survived by one daughter, Mrs Martin Smith, and six sons, Patrick, John, Joseph, James, Frank and Robert White, three sisters, Mrs. Edward Walsh, Mrs. Margaret Tise and Mrs. R. Grady; and one brother, Moses Tobin.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:13 BST (UK)
Pedigree landscape - John White and Catherine Tobin

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LWXS-Y9Q

Sadly there is no James Smith mentioned. 

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:15 BST (UK)
A few snippets on the Smith family - not sure that will help you but you never know what turns up.  :-\

1880 census Village of Coray Hollow Lackawanna PA

John White   30   Self (Head) Born 1850 Ireland.
Kate White 25   Wife (deceased 1923
Thomas White 7   Son (deceased 4/3/1909 Scranton PA- ptomaine poisoning)
Kate White 5   Daughter
Patrick White 3   Son (deceased 19/9/1945 - Omaha, Douglas County Nebraska)
John White 1   Son (deceased 14/11/1955 Scranton PA)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWFG-L58

Robert White 17 November 1896 Scranton PA - 29 April 1962 Peckville Lackawanna PA
Age:   65
Father John White - Mother Catherine Tobin - Spouse Florence Carris White
Certificate Number 037653-62

Obituary -The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
30 Apr 1962, Mon   Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82801635/obituary-for-robert-e-white/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:22 BST (UK)
William Smith 1104 Philo Street was the informant on the death certificate of Catherine Tobin/White/Hennessey.
 
Sandra

(Not quite sure now why I linked William Smith ?? He was on Philo Street in 1910 ?   Too much sun !!

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:26 BST (UK)

1910   - 660 Philo Street Scranton Ward 2, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania.

William Smith   42   Head. Born Eng.  Imm 1892.
Mary A Smith  41   Wife
Annie E Smith 18   Daughter
Gertrude M Smith 15   Daughter

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:47 BST (UK)

1920 Main Street Abington, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania.

William Smith 51   Head. Imm 1892.
Mary Smith 49   Wife
Annie Smith   27   Daughter
Michael Farrell 16   Boarder

Marriage of Annie Smith to James B Rowe 15/6/1931 - - listed her mother Mary Ann maiden name Rhodes)

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
9 Jun 1931, Tue    Page 16

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82798576/marriage-of-smith-rowe/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:48 BST (UK)
Gertrude May Smith -  mothers maiden surname Rhodes.      
GRO Reference: 1894  J Quarter in Basford  Volume 07B  Page 244


Gertrude Smith Parker - Gertrude S Parker
Gertrude Smith Smith
Birth Date 16 May 1894 Hucknall, United Kingdom - Death Date 19 May 1991
Father William Smith - Mother Mary A Rhodes.

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
21 May 1991, Tue    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82798113/obituary-for-gertrude-s-parker-aged/

FIND A GRAVE


Hickory Grove Cemetery Waverly, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127400054/gertrude-s.-parker

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:54 BST (UK)
Mary Anna Smith - Mary Anna Rhodes - 14 February 1869 England - 22 July 1945 Scranton PA
Age:   76
Father Robert Rhodes - Mother Anna Shaw - Spouse William Smith
Certificate Number 60263 - Informant Wm Smith - Waverly Lackawanna.
Burial Hickory Grove Cemetery.

FIND A GRAVE

Hickory Grove CemeteryWaverly, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114230412/mary-ann-smith

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:55 BST (UK)

Obit - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Jul 1945, Mon    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82798494/obituary-for-mary-a-williaiuisiuiit/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 19:59 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

William A Smith - 1867 - 1958

Hickory Grove Cemetery Waverly, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114230416/william-a-smith

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 20:03 BST (UK)


Obit for William A Smith gives the parents names. Charles and Eliza Saxon Smith.

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
9 Jun 1958, Mon    Page 25

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82798986/william-smith-9-june-1958/

Sandra



Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 20:29 BST (UK)
Hello Sandra,
There are at least 3 families with John White married to a Catherine in 1880 in Pennsylvania. Having said that, I think you have zeroed in on the correct family because it has a James in it. Funnily enough, although you have found the correct family in 1880, with Thomas F. as the oldest son, the link provided leads to another family with Edward as the oldest son in Cherry Township, Sullivan Co. There is confusion in online trees between these two families.

Sandra
[/quote]https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MWV6-3QB

Thank you very much for finding the deaths of Katherine Hennessy and her husband Michael, exactly as  reported for Katherine. I am confused by your reply at 19:22 wondering if William Smith, informant, is a brother to John White. I tried to quote the reply but I guess I did it wrong. Am I understanding things wrong?
Thank you RJ137 very much for Katherine's obit which verifies her children and siblings.
Today, I called the Forest Home Cemetery at Forest Park, Illinois to see who is buried with Jennie E. White, death 1951 as per findagrave, to see first of all who she is buried with, and if they have further info on her  exact date of death, and any other info. James B. White who died 1938 is buried in that cemetery as per his death record but he is not listed in that cemetery on findagrave. They are to call me back this afternoon in that regard. I wanted to see if she might be the same person as Lily Ethel nee Averell who married James B. White in 1923.
Thanks for all the other info you have provided Sandra. You are a whiz.
Peggy

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 20:44 BST (UK)
Sorry Peggy I had both those 1880 census, comparing them and put the link for the wrong one which is now corrected.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:04 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra. On the 1910 census, Katherine is living with her second husband Michael Hennessy, and several of her White children. One of them is Margaret, with Margaret's children Cathleen and Regus, but I can't make out Margaret's married name. Therefore, I haven't been able to find Margaret in 1920. It also has Mary age 18, married for 3 years, with a daughter Anna age 2. I am wondering if this has been confused on the online tree to be Catherine White's youngest daughter, born 1908, instead of Granddaughter. If Mary is married, why is her name still White?
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:06 BST (UK)


Obit - John White - son of John White and Catherine Tobin

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
14 Nov 1955, Mon    Page 31

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82803479/obituary-for-john-white-aged-75/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:17 BST (UK)
Thank you, Sandra, for son John's obit. Very informative. John's brother Frank Maurice White is still alive in 1942 when he registered for the draft. He is not to be confused with Frank Mitchell White. According to John's obit, Frank is still alive in 1955.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:34 BST (UK)
Referring to the 1910 census  - Edward is Edward White - married 3 years.   Mary White further down  is also married 3 years and below is Anna White  aged 2 years.

I believe this is that family group.

Delayed birth certificate 11 August 1966 - Toledo Ohio

Anna White - Birth Date 6 Jul 1908 Dickson City, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania.
Father Edward Francis White - Mother Mary White (nee Bezak)
Certificate Number D-210870-08

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:43 BST (UK)
This could be Anna - Ann Benford - Anna Benford - Est 1909 Pennsylvania - 19 February 1984 (aged 75 years) Toledo Lucas Ohio
Registrar's Certificate Number 020471
Inquest Questions Certifier: Physician; Autopsy Performed?: Yes, used for certification.

http://obits.toledolibrary.org/obits/view1_cart.asp?id1=172669

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:45 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

Anna W Benford -

Ottawa Hills Memorial Park Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio
PLOT   Garden of Gethsemane.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/202725531/anna-w.-benford

Harry M Benford Sr.  1898 - 1982

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/202725449/harry-m-benford

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:47 BST (UK)


SSDI - Anna Benford
Birth Date 6 Jul 1908 - February 1984
Last Residence:   43606, Toledo, Lucas, Ohio.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:51 BST (UK)
That is very clever. I thought Edward White was the same person as son Edmund White and likely he is, but Mary is his wife, not Catherine's daughter Mary. Maybe the online tree is confused there as well, thinking Mary was a daughter instead of daughter in law. There is no daughter Mary on the 1900 census. There is something written above Mary's relationship and it may say in-law. Maybe. But I think you are right.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:54 BST (UK)
Another child born to Edward and Mary - delayed birth -

Edward White - Birth Date 25 Oct 1910 Dickson City, Lackawana, Pennsylvania. Baptised 30-11- 1910
Father Edward White - Mother Mary White (Bezak aged 21 years at time of birth.
31 st May 1950 - 1306 West Delaware Avenue, Toledo, Ohio.

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:57 BST (UK)


1940 census Navarre Hotel Toledo Lucas Ohio. Edward White born 1911 - Lodger - Divorced - Waiter-

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 21:59 BST (UK)


1930 census Martha Avenue Toledo, Lucas, Ohio.

George Benford 52   Head
Clara Benford 50   Wife
Harry Benford 32   Son
Anna Benford 29   Wife
Harriet Benford 0   Daughter
Edward White   19   brother
Ernest Benford 20   Son

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:03 BST (UK)
Fabulous. You are sorting this all out. I found that daughter Kate born Dec 1874 died 1904 in Minooka, Lackawanna, PA, husband William Cotter.
I see you have found Edward and Mary's son Edward with Anna in 1930, although Anna's age is wrong. Way to go.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:10 BST (UK)

1900 census Chestnut Street Blakely, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania.

Andrew Bezak 34   Head
Annie Bezak 29   Wife
Mary Bezak   8   Daughter
Katherina Bezak 6   Daughter
Hellen Bezak 3   Daughter
Andrew Bezak 1   Son

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:11 BST (UK)


This could well ne Mary Bezak/White/Sylvester ??

Mary Sylvester - Mary Bezack - 10 May 1892 - 29 March 1924 - Blakely Lackawanna. PA
Aged 32 years -
Father Andrew Bezack - Mother Ama Chola
Certificate Number 25265

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:15 BST (UK)


1920 census Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Mary Sylvester with husband Peter. Two children. Ann Sylvester 10 years old and Edward White aged 9 years -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFYW-C4D

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:18 BST (UK)


Obit Mrs Peter Sylvester - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
31 Mar 1924, Mon    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82808857/mrs-peter-sylvester-31-march-1924/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:22 BST (UK)


Obit Anna M Gallagher/White (Wife of Frank White)

The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
30 Apr 1969, Wed    Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82809116/obituary-for-anna-e-white/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:25 BST (UK)

Death Notice Frank White - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
30 Nov 1967, Thu   Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82809320/frank-m-white-30-november-1967/

The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
29 Nov 1967, Wed    Page 12

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82809455/frank-m-white-29-november-1967/


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 August 21 22:38 BST (UK)
Hmm. There seems to be some confusion in 1920 about the parentage of Anna with her surname as Sylvester and father born Italy, just like Peter, although I doubt she is Peter's daughter as he would only be 16 at her birth. She must be Mary's daughter Anna White.
You have once again followed Mary through to a second marriage. Very good.
Great obit for Frank in 1967 - from miner to dancer.
Thanks for everything
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 05 August 21 00:17 BST (UK)
Why can't I find Lily Ethel Averell in Pennsylvania before her marriage to James B. White in 1923 ? Her parents were George Averell and Elizabeth Workman as per the marriage record and she was from Chester, PA in 1923. Born abt 1899 in Pennsylvania. So you would think the family would be on the 1900 census. Or 1910, or 1920. What's with that?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 05 August 21 01:41 BST (UK)
I look more closely at the marriage record I think Lillian was born 1893.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 05 August 21 15:08 BST (UK)
Regarding Jennie E White, wife of James B White, I called Forest home cemetery in Illinois yesterday as findagrave has her name and year of burial which was 1951. They didn’t call me back yesterday as promised so I called them this morning.
Unfortunately all they had for her was her date of burial which was June 2, 1951. With further questioning I learned that she is buried right next to James B. white who died in 1938 so I would say that confirms they are a couple. She is in section 15 Lot 88. They did not have her age, parents,anything at all but findagrave has her born in 1890.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 06 August 21 16:04 BST (UK)
A transcript of Jennie's death record shows that she was the daughter of Jacob Greiss and Mary Moran and was born Jan 1, 1891 in Chicago. So not the same person as Lily Ethel Averell. Wonder if Lily died before James or did they divorce? Don't know when James married Jennie Greiss.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 07 August 21 21:46 BST (UK)
Still puzzling over Margaret on the 1910 census with Michael Hennessy and wife Catherine White nee Tobin. The age fits for her to be Margaret nee Kearney. Perhaps she had a first marriage to someone called McG..... and was now with John F. White but not yet married to him. There is a daughter Cathleen age 2. Wondering is she is the same person as Katherine born abt 1905 who later married Joseph Hoban and is listed in John's obit in 1955. Perhaps Katherine/Cathleen's biological father is not John White. Just a thought.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 07 August 21 21:54 BST (UK)
Katherine Hoban died July 1986 in Archbold, Lackawanna. Perhaps a death certificate or obit would clarify her dob and parentage.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Saturday 07 August 21 22:58 BST (UK)
Katherine Hoban died July 1986 in Archbold, Lackawanna. Perhaps a death certificate or obit would clarify her dob and parentage.

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
08 Jul 1986, Tue  •  Page 10

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/76100786/the-times-tribune/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Saturday 07 August 21 23:13 BST (UK)
Katherine Hoban died July 1986 in Archbold, Lackawanna. Perhaps a death certificate or obit would clarify her dob and parentage.

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
08 Jul 1986, Tue  •  Page 10

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/76100786/the-times-tribune/

Kathleen's sister Margaret

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
21 Dec 1993, Tue  •  Page 25

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83000029/margaret-toomey-obit-1993/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Saturday 07 August 21 23:28 BST (UK)
Other daughters of Margaret Kearney White

Joan Powell -1984

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
24 Dec 1984, Mon  •  Page 9

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83000888/joan-powell-obit-1984/

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Ann Shimkosky- 2001

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
15 Dec 2001, Sat  •  Page 35

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83001072/ann-shimkosky-obit-2001/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 07 August 21 23:56 BST (UK)
This is fantastic RJ137 to have all these obits to verify the daughters of John White and Margaret Kearney. thank you so very much.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 04:27 BST (UK)
I may have found the marriage of son John White to Margaret Kearney, spelled Carney at time of marriage. Fits with the Margaret on the 1900 census, being married 2 years. Thinking the McG*** is a red herring.

Maggie Carney
West Virginia Marriages, 1780-1970   
John White, miner, 24 years
Estimated dob 1883
Marriage Date:   
14 Sep 1907
Marriage Place:   
Scarbro, Fayette, West Virginia
Father's Name:   John White
Mother's Name:   Catherine White
Spouse's Name:   
Maggie Carney
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):   
1886
Spouse's Father's Name: Patrick Carney
Spouse's Mother's Name: Delia Carney
Source Reference:   
County Records
Record Number:   
100
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 10:44 BST (UK)
Oops, that should say 1910 census with regard to Margaret in the family of Michael Hennessy and Catherine nee Tobin formerly White.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 11:42 BST (UK)


Obit of Kathleen White Hoban with a photograph - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
8 Jul 1986, Tue    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027100/obituary-for-kathleen-white-hoban/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 11:49 BST (UK)
son of Kathleen and Joseph Hoban - marriage Joseph M Hoban - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Apr 1959, Thu    Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027190/marriage-of-ward-hoban/

Joseph M Hoban - son of Kathleen and Joseph Hoban - The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania - 27 Dec 2016, Tue    Page B8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027161/joseph-m-hoban-27-december-2016/

Obit with a photograph - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
24 Dec 2016, Sat    Page B10

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027267/obituary-for-joseph-m-hoban-aged-86/

Sandra

Added Obit Janet Margaret Ward / Hoban - with photograph - 1 st June 2021

https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/zz-dnp/janet-m-hoban/article_f756bc5a-6198-5122-8624-39412f013516.html

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 11:51 BST (UK)

Obit - Linus Hoban - son of Kathleen and Joseph - The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania - 15 Dec 2019, Sun    Page A18

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027216/linus-t-hoban-15-december-2019/

Obit with photograph of Dorothy - wife of Linus

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
3 Oct 2007, Wed    Page B10

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027533/dorothy-hoban-3-october-2007/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 11:54 BST (UK)


Obit Harold Hoban - son of Kathleen and Joseph Hoban - The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania - 2 Mar 1992, Mon   Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027247/harold-hoban-2-march-1992/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 11:58 BST (UK)


Obit - Joseph Hoban Snr - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
17 Mar 1961, Fri    Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83027310/joseph-hoban-snr-17-march-1961/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 12:23 BST (UK)


Infant daughter - Cathleen Hoban - 7 April 1949 Peckville PA - aged 1 - died 7 April 1949 Blakely PA (Bronco-pneumonia)
Father Joseph Hoban - Mother Cathleen White
Certificate Number 60289

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 12:32 BST (UK)


Obit - John White - son of John White and Catherine Tobin

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
14 Nov 1955, Mon    Page 31

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82803479/obituary-for-john-white-aged-75/

Sandra

Daughter Mary Margaret White/Uhos -

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index - Mary Margaret White
Mary M Uhos - Mary Uhas - Mary Uhos - Birth Date 15 Apr 1920 Jessup, Pennsylvania
Jessup Lacka, Pennsylvania - Death Date Dec 1980
Father John White - Mother Margaret Kearney.

Last Benefit 13212, Syracuse, Onondaga, New York.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 12:59 BST (UK)
Sandra, it is great to have all these Hoban obits. Thank you so very much. And I see you have found daughter Mary Uhos and the death of an infant daughter Cathleen Hoban for Katherine aka Cathleen Hoban, nee White. Cathleen White would be the 2 yr old on the 1910 census with her mother Margaret nee Kearney in the household of Michael Hennessy and Catherine nee Tobin. I suspect that the 1 yr. old Regus on that census died young. In 1910, Margaret says married 2 years (she was married in West Virginia in 1907 to John White) with 3 children but there are only 2 on the census.
Also thanks for the marriage of Joseph M. Hoban Jr. to Janet Margaret Ward, and their obits.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 13:09 BST (UK)


Obit - John White - son of John White and Catherine Tobin

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
14 Nov 1955, Mon    Page 31

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/82803479/obituary-for-john-white-aged-75/

Sandra

Daughter Mary Margaret White/Uhos -

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index - Mary Margaret White
Mary M Uhos - Mary Uhas - Mary Uhos - Birth Date 15 Apr 1920 Jessup, Pennsylvania
Jessup Lacka, Pennsylvania - Death Date Dec 1980
Father John White - Mother Margaret Kearney.

Last Benefit 13212, Syracuse, Onondaga, New York.

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 13:13 BST (UK)

John Uhas -    Male Throop, Pennsylvania - Spouse Mary White
Child Baby Girl Uhas - still born - 4 June 1947  :'(

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 13:18 BST (UK)
US Mining Accident - John Uhos - John Uhos - 1911 - aged 47 years - married
Employment PlaceNo.241 Slope; 11th, Luzerne, Pennsylvania.  - Employer Glen Alden Corp
Occupation Miner
Accident Date 26 Mar 1958 - Cause of Accident fall roof picking rib coal
Is Deceased? Fatal - Responsible Party official&victim - Citizenship Citizen
Number of Children Born 5

https://history.denverlibrary.org/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 13:19 BST (UK)


Accident -  John Yuhas - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania 27 Mar 1958, Thu    Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83028622/john-yuhas-27-march-1958/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 13:32 BST (UK)
How tragic re: death of John Uhos/Yuhas. There is mention of 5 children but only 4 named in obit.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 13:35 BST (UK)

John Uhas -    Male Throop, Pennsylvania - Spouse Mary White
Child Baby Girl Uhas - still born - 4 June 1947  :'(

Sandra

Perhaps this was the fifth ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 14:00 BST (UK)
oops, sorry. I did see that still birth. Yes, that makes 5.
I was looking back at Catherine Hennessy, nee Tobin, former wife of john White, death info in 1923. Says she had one daughter Mrs Martin Smith. I have been searching for this daughter but haven't managed to find her as yet.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 14:05 BST (UK)


Donald M "Donnie" Junz - with photograph - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
2 Apr 2014, Wed   Page B9
son of Ann White Junz and Donald Junz - preceded in death by his maternal grand mother Ann Shimkosky

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83029896/donald-junz-2-april-2014/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 14:07 BST (UK)


Obit Valerie Keiper - wife of Donald Junz - 21 September 2020

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/poconorecord/name/valerie-keiper-obituary?pid=196834281

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 14:45 BST (UK)


Obit Joseph Toomer (husband of Margaret in reply 262) The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania - 27 Apr 1964, Mon    Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83031182/obituary-for-joseph-f-toomey-aged-53/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 14:51 BST (UK)


marriage of Joan Toomey - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Aug 1955, Tue    Page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83031332/marriage-of-toomey-lynn/

Obit - daughter Joan Toomey Lynn  - parents Joseph and Margaret Toomey -

Delaware State News on 9 June, 2020.

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/newszapde/name/joan-lynn-obituary?pid=196316656

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 14:53 BST (UK)


Patrick Lynn - husband of Joan Toomey Lynn - The Times Leader
Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania - 8 Aug 1995, Tue  -  Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83031560/obituary-for-patrick-henry-lynn-aged/


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 16:00 BST (UK)
Joan Toomey Lynn was certainly accomplished.  Thanks for these obits.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 16:24 BST (UK)
Wondering if this could be a sister of Catherine Tobin/White/Hennesey ?

Bridget Tobin Grady (described as Mrs R Grady in Catherine obit)

Scrantonian Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
18 May 1941, Sun  -   Page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83035731/obituary-for-bridget-tobin-grady/

Daughter Elizabeth Grady married Donald M Hutchey - Scrantonian Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania - 16 Apr 1944, Sun   Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83036382/marriage-of-grady-hutchey/

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 16:26 BST (UK)


Obit - Ellen Tobin Walsh - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
31 May 1935, Fri    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83036004/obituary-for-ellen-walsh/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 08 August 21 16:29 BST (UK)
Cathleen White would be the 2 yr old on the 1910 census with her mother Margaret nee Kearney in the household of Michael Hennessy and Catherine nee Tobin. I suspect that the 1 yr. old Regus on that census died young. In 1910, Margaret says married 2 years (she was married in West Virginia in 1907 to John White) with 3 children but there are only 2 on the census.

This would be John & Margaret White with daughter Kathleen in the 1910 census. Census states they have been married 3 years(1907), which matches the marriage record. The daughter Kathleen is listed as being 1 yr 7 months old. The census was taken in April 1910, which would mean Kathleen would have been born in Sept. 1908. Kathleen DOB is listed as 11 Sept 1908.

SSDI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JP8N-DWP

1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPN6-TSQ

Mucklow, now called Gallagher, WV is about 25-30 miles north of Whipple Scarbro WV where they were married.

Marriage: https://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=12094743&Type=Marriage
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 16:32 BST (UK)

Maurice Tobin obit mentions Mrs Bea Grady  ?

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania 25 Nov 1940, Mon    Page 10

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83036221/maurice-tobin-25-november-1940/


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 16:53 BST (UK)
Looks like I made a mistake regarding the 1910 census and the household of Michael Hennessy and Catherine nee Tobin. Mother Margaret with daughter Cathleen - so similar to John White and Margaret Kearney with daughter Cathleen.  This Margaret must be nee White and married to a Mr. McGuthluk or whatever. I will resume my search for a Margaret White married to a McG***
Do you think Maurice Tobin is the same person as Moses Tobin mentioned in Catherine Hennessy's obit?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 17:01 BST (UK)
William Smith 1104 Philo Street was the informant on the death certificate of Catherine Tobin/White/Hennessey.
 
Sandra

(Not quite sure now why I linked William Smith ?? He was on Philo Street in 1910 ?   Too much sun !!

William Smith 1104 Phylo Street was also the informant on the death certificate of Mrs Margaret Smith 207 Jefferson Ave, Scranton (married) who died 26 December 1924.  The parents of Margaret were John White and Catherine Tobin.
Burial St Patricks Cemetery. Olyphant. PA29/12/1924

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 17:11 BST (UK)
So is there a mistake in Catherine Hennessy's obit in 1923 and her daughter should be Mrs. William Smith, not Mrs. Martin Smith, and her daughter is Margaret. If that is the case, when did William and Margaret marry? Was she previously married to a McG*** as per the 1910 census?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 17:24 BST (UK)
If you notice on the death cert it says Catherine Hennessy is a widow which she was'nt because Michael Hennessy did not pass away until 1937.  Occasionally little idiosyncrasies are thrown up.  :-\

McG *** could be a load of rubbish  :-\

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 17:45 BST (UK)
I think Katherine and Michael were not living together in 1920 as I found who I thought might be her as a boarder, age 72, widow so I thought Michael had died but then I found him with Frank on the 1930 census.
I had decided McG** was rubbish when I thought Margaret on the 1910 was Margaret Kearney but I guess it is still rubbish if Margaret was married to William Smith at that time.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 18:23 BST (UK)
The obit mentioned a sister Mrs Margaret Tise ?
I did find a Margaret Tice but she was a Sarah Margaret Workman (also Wortman on some records) at birth ? Supposedly born Ohio 1863 ?  They also had a son with Emmett as a middle name and that rang a bell  :-\   Was that the other White/Tobin family ? So quite a mish-mash.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 08 August 21 18:45 BST (UK)
So is there a mistake in Catherine Hennessy's obit in 1923 and her daughter should be Mrs. William Smith, not Mrs. Martin Smith, and her daughter is Margaret. If that is the case, when did William and Margaret marry? Was she previously married to a McG*** as per the 1910 census?

The 1104 Philo Street connection-

Catherine Hennessy- 1923

DC: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qtm/

================

Mrs Margaret Smith -1924

DC: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qtn/

The Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
27 Dec 1924, Sat  •  Page 5

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83043507/mrs-margaret-smith-obit-1924/

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The McG* mystery?

Rita McGettrick niece of Joseph White, who died in 1923. Joseph White was brother of Margaret Smith.

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
06 Nov 1923, Tue  •  Page 21

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83043368/joseph-white-death-1923/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 19:10 BST (UK)
Wow, I think you have solved the mystery of the McG*** name on the 1910 census, RJ137. There is a family connection but not Margaret’s surname. Rita was living at same address as William Smith in 1923. So maybe Joseph White’s wife was a McGettrick.
Thanks very much for the death certificates for Catherine Hennessy and Margaret Smith.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:17 BST (UK)
Regis Walker - Regis McGettrick - 24 September 1904 Dickson City Pennsylvania died 22 February 1949 - aged 44 years.
Father William McGettrick - Mother Margaret White - Spouse John Walker
Certificate Number 13491

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:19 BST (UK)


Obit - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Feb 1949, Wed    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83046345/rita-walker-23-february-1949/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:21 BST (UK)

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index
Joan Lois Walker - Joan Walker McDonnell -  Joan McDonnell
Birth Date 9 Aug 1927 Peckville La, Pennsylvania
Death Date 23 Sep 2004
Father John T Walker - Mother Rita M McGettick.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:22 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

Joan Walker McDonnell - 9 August 1927 - 23 September 2004

Saint Patricks Cemetery Olyphant, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117191605/joan-mcdonnell

husband Thomas J Mc Donnell 1923 - 2006

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:24 BST (UK)


Joan Walker weds Thomas McDonnell - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
11 Apr 1950, Tue    Page 6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83046693/marriage-of-walker-mcdonnell/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:25 BST (UK)


Obit Joan McDonnell - The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
26 Sep 2004, Sun  -  Page 27

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83046751/obituary-for-joan-mcdonnell-1927-2004/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:27 BST (UK)
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index

John Thomas Walker Jr - John T Walker Jr 3 April 1925b Peckville PA  25 January 1989
Father John T Walker - Mother Regus M Mageterick

FIND A GRAVE


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44081816/john-t-walker

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:29 BST (UK)


Obit John T Walker - The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
26 Jan 1989, Thu    Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83047033/obituary-for-john-t-walker/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:40 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE

Joseph V White - 1893 - 1923
   
Saint Mary's Cemetery Omaha, Douglas County, Nebraska.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/124920391/joseph-v-white

Nebraska Death - Joseph V White
Death Date 1923 - Douglas, Nebraska.
Certificate Number 10834

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 19:45 BST (UK)
Sandra, you are amazing. I wrote a lengthy reply which disappeared but just as well. Looks like Margaret White was first married to William McKettrick and they had Kathleen and Regus who is the same person as Rita. But Regus is only one in the 1910 census so I guess that’s a mistake for age. Or the dob on Rita’s death certificate is wrong which is more likely if Margaret had only been married 2 years. Sometime between 1910 and 1923 Margaret married William Smith. Need to look at the 1920 census.
I found it interesting that Margaret Tice was nee Sarah Margaret Workman. Wonder who her parents were and will look for that. Lily E. Averell’s mother was Elizabeth Workman. I have still to find Lily on a census before her marriage to james B. White or after her marriage for that matter. Lizzie Averill who married Benjamin Watterson had mother Margaret Workman  married to Isaac Averell in Ireland.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 08 August 21 19:47 BST (UK)
Wow, I think you have solved the mystery of the McG*** name on the 1910 census, RJ137. There is a family connection but not Margaret’s surname. Rita was living at same address as William Smith in 1923. So maybe Joseph White’s wife was a McGettrick.
Thanks very much for the death certificates for Catherine Hennessy and Margaret Smith.
Peggy

The McG* mystery.-McGettrick

1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGC9-FSX

Margaret White was married to William McGettrick

The ages of the children Regus & Cathleen in the 1910 census are off.

Catherine McGettrick died in 1911.

DC: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qto/

====

Regus and Rita McGettrick are the same and she married John Walker.

Same location as in 1910 census-Blakely, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH3K-S31

1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQDQ-G62

She died in 1949.

DC: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qtp/

The Times-Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Feb 1949, Wed  •  Page 5

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83048112/rita-walker-death/

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 19:52 BST (UK)
Sandra, you are amazing. I wrote a lengthy reply which disappeared but just as well. Looks like Margaret White was first married to William McKettrick and they had Kathleen and Regus who is the same person as Rita. But Regus is only one in the 1910 census so I guess that’s a mistake for age. Or the dob on Rita’s death certificate is wrong which is more likely if Margaret had only been married 2 years. Sometime between 1910 and 1923 Margaret married William Smith. Need to look at the 1920 census.
I found it interesting that Margaret Tice was nee Sarah Margaret Workman. Wonder who her parents were and will look for that. Lily E. Averell’s mother was Elizabeth Workman. I have still to find Lily on a census before her marriage to james B. White or after her marriage for that matter. Lizzie Averill who married Benjamin Watterson had mother Margaret Workman  married to Isaac Averell in Ireland.

Found some info on family search which might help you. Margaret or Sarah Margaret Workman/Wortman was married to Howard Tice.  Could be the surname was Wortman but changed to Workman over time. 

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LTQG-BYM

1870 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M6V2-PDZ

1880 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWVR-L41

Sarah M Tice - Sarah M Wortman 6 Feb 1863 - 29 August 1931  Hempfield, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania - aged 68 years
Father Cicero Wortman - Mother Elizabeth Burney - Spouse Howard Tice

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 20:09 BST (UK)


Possible ? 1900 census Fell, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania.

William Mcgettrick 28   Head. blacksmith.
Margeret Mcgettrick   19   Wife. married 1900.  father and mother born Wales.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M33W-X3V

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 20:29 BST (UK)
that is fantastic, Sandra. Definitely William and Margaret nee White on the 1900 census. And next door is Margaret's sister Katherine married to William Cotter, with her 3 children which I didn't know the names of before.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 20:35 BST (UK)
Daughter of William Cotter and Catherine White
Mary Cotter Swift
Obit - The Mercury Pottstown, Pennsylvania
17 Mar 1977, Thu    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83051791/obituary-for-mary-swift-aged-68/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 08 August 21 20:37 BST (UK)

Obit Marquerite Cotter
The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Jan 1926, Sat   Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83051976/obituary-for-marguerite-cotter/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 08 August 21 21:06 BST (UK)
Thank you Sandra for these obits. Katherine Cotter, nee White, died 1904 in Minooka.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 09 August 21 13:59 BST (UK)
Try as I might, I cannot find Margaret’s remarriage to William Smith nor can I find Margaret as either Smith or McGettrick in 1920. Nor Regus aka Rita McGettrick in 1920 although we know that Rita had the same address as William Smith in 1923.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 09 August 21 15:59 BST (UK)
The Tribune
Scranton, Pennsylvania
17 Jul 1920, Sat  •  Page 10

Clip: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83099904/rita-mcgettrick/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 09 August 21 16:56 BST (UK)
Thank you RJ137 for this interesting clip. I immediately went to FamilySearch and looked for JB White on the 1920 census at that address. Found nothing. Maybe I should put in James B. White and see if anything comes up.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 09 August 21 19:59 BST (UK)
I was rereading the newspaper article in 1923 about Rita McKittrick learning of the death of her uncle Joseph White in South Omaha, Nebraska. First of all, she is referred to as Mrs. Rita McKittick. Secondly, it says Joseph's father was Michael White. Hmm. Then I realized they meant Michael Hennessy. But thirdly, they mention Joseph had a surviving brother Thomas whereas I have Thomas' death as Mar 4,1909. Am I wrong? Do I have the wrong Thomas? Or is the newspaper wrong?
I was also thinking of the newspaper clipping found by RJ137 in 1920, where Miss Rita McGettrick and Mrs. Michael McGettrick are visiting at the J.B.White residence on Dolph Street. Who is Mrs. Michael McGettrick. Do they mean Mrs. William McGettrick, Rita's mother? If so, Margaret must have remarried to William  Smith after July 17, 1920. And could J.B. White be Joseph, or his brother James B. White?
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 09 August 21 20:45 BST (UK)
Obit in the name of Frank White of Hawley - The Scranton Truth
Scranton, Pennsylvania - 6 Mar 1909, Sat   Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83118628/frank-white-6-march-1909/

Parents John White and Kate Tobin - both born Ireland.   Is this the son of the other couple ?

The one in Fell Township, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania ?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M33W-L8Y


Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 09 August 21 20:58 BST (UK)


1900 census 16 th Street Hawley, Wayne, Pennsylvania.

T Frank White Age 27 born PA. Parents born Wales. Married 6 years. Barber.
Ellen White Age 27  born PA. Had 1 child.
William J White Age 5

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 09 August 21 21:00 BST (UK)


Obit Ellen F Tighe/White - widow of T Frank White.

The Times-Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
25 Dec 1956, Tue    Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83120067/obituary-for-ellen-f-white/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 09 August 21 21:04 BST (UK)


Obit - son Dr J William White  - Fort Lauderdale News Fort Lauderdale, Florida
22 Jun 1965, Tue   Page 22

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83120337/obituary-for-j-william-white-aged-68/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 09 August 21 21:06 BST (UK)


U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index - Barbara Clare White
Barbara White Carroll - Barbara Carroll
Birth Date 25 May 1931 Scranton Lac, Pennsylvania
Death Date 17 Aug 2005
Father J W White - Mother Evelyn Hirsch.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 09 August 21 21:28 BST (UK)
This is all very confusing but I think the fellow who died in 1909, Thomas F. aka Frank is the son of our couple. It is of some concern that sometimes the parents' place of birth is given as Ireland and sometimes as Wales, but I have thought there was only one John White and Katherine Tobin couple. There seems to be a John White and Katherine Ward couple which seems to be intermixed with this couple. When Katherine Tobin remarries to Michael Hennessy, I think she says she is from Wales so perhaps John was from Ireland and Katherine from Wales. Maybe I should pay more attention in case there are two John White/Katherine Tobin families but I haven't thought so, so far.
I think you have followed Frank and his wife and their doctor son correctly.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 09 August 21 23:21 BST (UK)
Catherine Hennessy's death certificate says she was born in Wales but both her parents were born in Ireland.
1880 census - John and Catherine - Lackawanna, both born Ireland, John is 30, Kate 25, John is laborer, children Thomas 7, Kate 5, Patrick 3, John 1.
1900 census -  John and Catherine - Lackawanna, both born Wales, parents born Ireland, John is 48, Katherine is 45, John is coal miner, children John age 21, James 15, Edmund 12, Joseph 8, Frank 6, Robert E. 3.
1910 Census - John deceased, Katherine with Michael Hennessy, both born Wales, Michael is 42, Katherine is 55, children Edward is 22, married for 3 years, Margaret McGettrick is 21, married for 2 years (she is actually 29, married 10 years), Joseph is 18, Frank 16, Robert 14.
1920 census - don't find couple but Katherine may or may not be living in Philadelphia, widow, age 72.
Catherine dies 1923 in Scranton, born 1856 in Wales, says widow, age 66. William Smith is informant who is married to Catherine's daughter Margaret formerly McGettrick.
Michael is living with stepson Frank in 1930, Frank age 35, parents born Wales.
Michael dies 1937.
I still think same family. Ages pretty consistent for John and Catherine, except for possible Catherine in 1920 which may not be her. I think possibly Catherine and Michael were separated in 1920 but would  love it if someone could find them. Also would love to find John White's death abt 1901, as per 1910 census. And Catherine's remarriage to Michael Hennessy abt 1902.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 August 21 02:26 BST (UK)
Today, I found Catherine quite easily with Michael Hennessy, he is 55 born Wales, she is 67 born Pennsylvania. Boarder is Robert E., age 23, who is her son.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 August 21 16:34 BST (UK)
Today, I found Catherine quite easily with Michael Hennessy, he is 55 born Wales, she is 67 born Pennsylvania. Boarder is Robert E., age 23, who is her son.
Sorry, this was in 1920
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 August 21 20:07 BST (UK)
The body of a William McGettrick was found in a hotel room in Clinton, Reading, Berks, PA on Feb 22, 1928. Very little was known about this man at the time other than his name and a deputy coroner's report was issued at the time and the body was turned over to the Anatomical Board of Philadelphia. I wonder if further info was found regarding William and if a more complete death certificate would be issued.
I phoned the Anatomical Board this morning and await a reply.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 August 21 20:39 BST (UK)

I see these article was clipped recently.....if they aren't your's, it may give you a contact, coincidentally researching the same families. ?

Reading Times Reading, Pennsylvania
23 Feb 1928, Thu    Page 14

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83158572/wm-mcgettrick-death/

Along with another for Frank McGettrick ............

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83156003/frank-mcgettrick-obit/

and William McGettrick band...........

Freeland Tribune Freeland, Pennsylvania
05 Dec 1898, Mon    Page 1

McGettrick White wedding

Carbondale Daily News Carbondale, Pennsylvania
2 Jun 1900, Sat    Page 2

The Tribune Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Feb 1949, Wed    Page 14

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83098720/regis-walker-obit/

Sandra



Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 August 21 21:07 BST (UK)
Yes, Bill has made contact with me and he has contributed much with regard to William McGettrick although we are uncertain at this point whether he died before Margaret married William Smith or if they divorced. I think I found William McGettrick in 1920 in West Deer Township and he says married. He is a blacksmith as was Margaret's husband at time of marriage. I wish I knew how to send the link but here goes.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFTJ-BPW
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 12 August 21 16:59 BST (UK)
I am coming to the conclusion that Lizzie Watterson nee Averell and Lily E Averell who married James B White are the same person. Lizzy is on the 1920 census as Lillian Everall, divorced. Her parents were Isaac Averell and Margaret Jane Workman.  Lily gives her parents as George Averell  and Elizabeth Workman in 1923. Says she was born in Philadelphia so her parents should be there as well but they cannot be found. Nor can Lily before 1923. Thinking that she gave the wrong first names for her parents . Then in 1934 James B White is with Jenny nee Greiss formerly Panagos whereas we have Elizabeth White nee Averill in Inglewood as per Daughter Virginia’s marriage.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 13 August 21 21:38 BST (UK)
Possibly Benjamin Franklin Watterson's obit might mention Lizzie is she is alive in 1944. Benjamin was the son of  Benjamin Watterson and Lizzie Averell and Benjamin the son died Feb 2, 1944 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., Ohio. If his mother Lizzie is alive, might have her residence or if she was remarried. At the very least, might mention other relatives.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 14 August 21 02:03 BST (UK)
Jennie Panagos nee Griess who married George Panagos in 1910 in Iowa married Will Schumacher/Shoemaker in 1915 in Montana. I don’t know who she was with until she appears with James B.White in 1934 in Nebraska then in 1938 in Chicago when James dies. I don’t know when James and Lily Averell split up. Jenny dies in 1951 in Chicago with the last name White. Can’t find James in 1930 with either wife. But I did find him in 1919 when he signed up for the military and his full name is James Bernard Benjamin White and  his residence was Cleveland Ohio at that time.
Does James B. White who died in Chicago in 1938 have an obituary?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 18 August 21 16:46 BST (UK)
James Bernard White who married Lily Averell had father John who was on the 1900 census. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M33W-L8Y. Although some censii say John born Wales, most say Ireland.
As per the 1910 census, John must have died abt 1901 since Katherine has been remarried to Michael Hennessy for 8 years. She is living in Pennsylvania.
Can anyone find John's death record or obit?
Also, James B. White married Mary Martin in 1900. By 1917, when he signs for the draft, he gives his mother Katherine as next of kin. What happened to Mary? I don't find James and Mary in 1910.
thanks for any help
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Wednesday 18 August 21 17:14 BST (UK)
Benjamin the son died Feb 2, 1944 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., Ohio.
Peggy
Name: Watterson, Benjamin
Date: Feb 3 1944
Source: Cleveland Press, Reel #84
Notes: Watterson, Benjamin--Beloved husband of Irene, brother of Mrs. John Spencer. Services Friday, 1 p. m., from the Loree A. Wells Funeral Home, 8303 Hough ave. Burial at Whitehaven Cemetery.

https://cpl.org/newsindex/
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: oldohiohome on Wednesday 18 August 21 17:22 BST (UK)
I haven't followed this thread closely, so you might have this. But here is the link for Benj W's death record in 1944 in Cleveland

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZTX-59W

from the record:
father: Benjamin Watterson, birthplace unknown
mother: unknown, her bp unknown
informant: Irene Watterson
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 19:43 BST (UK)

OOH you already found those records back in reply 7 -   :)


Interesting...........but is it your James White and Mary Martin ??


Discovered a marriage 4 October 1920 Detroit Michigan - Nellie White to Rudolph Charvatt aged 23 years born Bohemia. Mechanic. Father Albert and Mother Anna Lory.
Nellie White aged 19 years born Pennsylvania, parents James White and Mary Martin. No occupation.
Witnesses Mary Swan and Catherine Claus ?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N318-SLN

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4F-H9W4-3?cc=2787825&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPW8-Q9H3

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 19:44 BST (UK)


Rudolph Charvatt - 1920 census -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZWX-P7Q

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 19:45 BST (UK)

1940 census Illinois, Cook, Chicago City, Chicago, Ward 15

Rudolph Charratt 43   Head born Bohemia.
Nellie Charratt 36   Wife born Pennsylvania.
Doris Charratt   18   Daughter. born Detroit.
Elaine Charratt 15   Daughter. born Detroit.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWBM-K5R

United States Registers of Enlistments in the U.S. Army

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRQX-XXR


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 19:47 BST (UK)
Obituary for Doris Nellie Mauch - died 28 August 2006 - aged 84 years.
Sister named as Elaine Kolodziaski.

https://legacy.suntimes.com/us/obituaries/chicagosuntimes/name/doris-mauch-obituary?pid=19061740

Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois 31 Aug 2006, Thu    Page 2-9
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83686983/obituary-for-doris-m-charvatt-mauch/

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index.    Helen White
Spouse Rudolph R Charvatt - Child Doris Nellie Charvatt.


Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 19:57 BST (UK)
US Veterans Gravesites

Elaine I Kolodzinski - 14 August 1924 - 1 June 2013 Rock Island Illinois  - aged 88 years.
Rank Private. WW2 - US Army
Interment Place Rock Island, Illinois.
Cemetery:   Rock Island National Cemetery
Section N - Plot  530
Relative Richard G Kolodzinski.

Middle initial I = Irene.

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 20:02 BST (UK)

Obit for Gary Mauch - son of Doris Nellie Charvatt Much.

The Indianapolis Star Indianapolis, Indiana
10 Apr 2000, Mon    Page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83687889/obituary-for-gary-w-mauch-aged-47/

Gary W Mauch born 1952 was married 23 June 1990

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 20:10 BST (UK)


Rudolph R Charvatt - 26 November 1894 - 8 December 1977 Rock Island Illinois

FIND A GRAVE - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV2L-F9DJ

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 20:34 BST (UK)

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index

Name Nellie N Ertl - Nellie N White
Birth Date 31 Jan 1904 Pottsville, Pennsylvania - Death Date 20 Feb 1989
Claim Date 6 Nov 1965
Father James White - Mother Mary A Martin
Citizenship or Alien Status:   U.S. citizen.

SSDI -    Nellie N. Ertl - Birth Date 31 Jan 1904 - 20 February 1989
Last Residence:   60525, La Grange, Cook, Illinois, USA
Issue Year:   Before 1951 - Issue State:   New York



Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 20:48 BST (UK)

1910 census South Omaha Ward 3, Douglas, Nebraska ???  Age is out on this - but Nebraska ???

F D Cokran 28   Head
Kate Cokran 34   Wife. born PA. Father England. Mother Pennsylvania.
James White   26   Sister-in-law ??
Nellie White 6   Niece born PA
Margarette White 9   Niece. born PA.
Alice White 5   Niece. born PA.
Joseph White 3   Nephew. born Neb.
Katherine White 0   Niece. born Neb.

1920 census Philadelphia

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNML-T47

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 21:14 BST (UK)

Wonder if this is another daughter who also married in Detroit - Mary is Marie ??

Margaret White born 1902 PA - aged 21 years - waitress.
Marriage Date 11 Jul 1923 Detroit, Michigan.
Father James White - Mother Marie Martin - Spouse William J Sleeth aged 23 years.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQSQ-15Z

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 21:20 BST (UK)

1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K45B-ZMB

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K45B-ZMB

US Veterans Gravesites - Margaret Sleeth - 17 February 1902 - 13 November 1965 - aged 63 years.
Interment Place New Jersey.
Cemetery Address:   916 Bridgeboro Road Bridgeboro Road Beverly, NJ 08010
Cemetery:   Beverly National Cemetery
Plot Section L Site 2287
Relationship Wife - Spouse William J Sleeth
Notes Pvt Us Army
Comments Wife of Sleeth, William J

FIND A GRAVE

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/2529791/margaret-sleeth

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 21:28 BST (UK)
Alice on the 1910 census could be Mary Alice White born 5 Feb 1905 married Roy Rumford in Philadelphia PA 19 January 1922.  Mary Alice White was 16 years old.
Father James and mother Mary Martin (deceased)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT9S-2BV?cc=1589502

Consent of Father ............... James B White

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT9S-FFN?cc=1589502

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 August 21 21:44 BST (UK)

1930 census Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey.  Ray and Alice.


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X46G-6P6

Mary Alice Rumford - 5 February 1906 - 23 November 1986 - aged 80 years.
Interment Date 28 Nov 1986 New York
Cemetery Address 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Cemetery Long Island National Cemetery
Plot Section U Site 1178
Relationship Wife Spouse Roy W Rumford
Notes Pvt Us Army

FIND A GRAVE

Roy W Rumford

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/2805048/roy-w-rumford

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 18 August 21 23:47 BST (UK)
Thank you so much, oldohiohome and Sandra. I do think all of these records relate to Benjamin Watterson, and mostly to the family of James B. White and Mary Martin. The 1910 Census says James married but no wife there. 1920 census has a Mary Meyers above James White - is this Mary Martin, remarried or an error.
When Nellie married in 1920 in Michigan, she doesn't say mother is deceased but Alice says mother deceased Jan 19, 1922 when she married in Michigan and her father gave consent. Did mother Mary die in  Michigan, before 1922, possibly under name Meyers unless that is a red herring on the 1920 and should say Martin. Then death would be under White.
It makes sense that James could be in Omaha in 1910 because his brother Joseph also went to Omaha. Must figure out who Kate Cokran is. Mary's sister?
Thank you ever so much, Sandra and oldohiohome.You are ever so fantastic.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 00:34 BST (UK)
Yes, I was covering the family of James White and Mary Martin today.  Just a reminder that OOH had already given you the Benjamin Watterson information back in reply 7  :)

On the 1910 census I suspect it is not James White but his wife Mary - occupation is housework !!
She is the sister-in-law to the head, so Kate Cokran could be Kate Martin ??

Looking at the 1920 ancestry transcription Mary Meyers is in the household above.  If she does belong to that household something is amiss with her age.

The record for Mary Alice showing mother deceased was because her father had to sign a consent form because she was 16 years old.



Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 00:55 BST (UK)

F D Cokran - could be Frederick Darwin Cochrane with a wife Cathryn (could be various spellings)

WW1 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G18P-9VHG?i=296&cc=1968530&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A29J6-VB8

1930 census  Washington Street Kansas City, Jackson, Missouri.

Fred D Cochran m46   Head
Katherene Cochran   54   Wife. born PA. Father Ireland Mother PA
Martin F Noon 57   Lodger
James W Newton 66   Lodger
Robert W Hamilton 29   Lodger

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 00:57 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE with bio

Fredrick Darwin Cochran 19 February 1883 - 31 August 1966

Elmwood Cemetery Saint Paul, Howard County, Nebraska.
PLOT   426

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40336078/fredrick-darwin-cochran

SSDI - Fred Cochran - Birth Date 19 Feb 1883 - August 1966
Last Residence:   64126, Kansas City, Jackson, Missouri, USA


Catherine listed on her own (no Fred) in 1940 Kansas City, Jackson, Missouri

Catherine T Cachran   64   Head born PA
William Maxwell 38   Lodger

According to the bio Catherine died in 1956.



Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 19 August 21 17:06 BST (UK)
OK, on 1910 census for Omaha, I think you are correct Sandra that it should say Mary White instead of James, who is indexed as female, doing housework. Had 6 children, 5 living, last two born Nebraska.
For the 1920 census, I think it is James with the same children, last one son James age 8 so born about 1912. So Mary Martin must have been alive in 1912. When James signs for the draft in 1917, he gives his mother Katherine as next of kin. So, Theory A,  thinking Mary Martin died between 1912 and 1917, maybe in childbirth having James. But then who is Mary Meyers on the 1920. I  believe she is in the same household as James. It says Mother and Father originally on the census and Mary is about the right age to be Mary Martin. If it is her, then theory B is that Mary Martin died in 1920/21, as she is deceased when Alice married in 1922 in Philadelphia, not Michigan. Personally, I am thinking Theory A, which means who is Mary Meyers? Says James and Mary are married but also says his daughter Margaret is married which is not true as she did not marry until 1923. Is Mary Meyers a housekeeper, a lady friend? James remarried in 1923 to Lily Ethel Averell whom I believe is the same person as Lizzie Averell, formerly Watterson. 
I did see the info from OOH before, regarding Benjamin Watterson, Jr's death. but doesn't hurt to be reminded in case I missed it, or forgot it, or didn't realize the significance of it.
In the meantime, James remarried in 1932 in Nebraska to Jennie E. Klein, whom is nee Griess, formerly Panagos (1910), formerly Schumacher/Shoemaker (1915),then formerly Klein before the 1930 census when she is a lodger in Omaha. I don't have the exact marriage date for Jennie E. to Klein, or the exact marriage date to James in 1932. But we have narrowed down the split of James and Lily to between their marriage in 1923 and James' remarriage in 1932 to Jennie E. Klein.  I don't find James in 1930 or 1910 for that matter since James is really Mary on the census.
Thanks for everything. I still have to pursue Catherine Cochran, probably nee Martin.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 17:40 BST (UK)
It was an interesting couple of hours finding the White daughters. Pleased it is helping you piece the family together.
Only guess work but I think Mary Martin/White could possibly have died in child birth or after the birth of James.  There was the flu deaths in 1915 (63,000) and 75,000 in the first 6 months of 1918  :-\

Might be worth contacting the find a grave contributor to see if they have more on Catherine Cochran.
It was only a very brief "Mrs. Cochran died in 1956" - The entry was made 13 August 2021, so very recent.

I did find one Kate Cochran in 1956 but unfortunately did not match.

Perhaps the 1910 says Kate Martin is M2 - 4 children !!

Good Luck
Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 18:33 BST (UK)

Marriage License confirms Fred Cochran married Kate Martin - The Omaha Evening Bee
Omaha, Nebraska - 27 Sep 1909, Mon    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83745486/fred-cochran-and-kate-martin-27/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 19:16 BST (UK)
City Directories often refer to the previous year.

There was a Kate Martin (wid of Dennis) living at 2206 Harney Omaha Douglas Nebraska in 1909

Omaha, Nebraska, City Directory, 1904/1905/1907 - Mrs Kate Martin - 2210 Harney - occupation bdgh

Omaha Daily Bee Omaha, Nebraska
1 Jan 1910, Sat    Page 10

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83748810/2206-harney-street-1-january-1910/

Omaha, Nebraska, City Directory, 1910 - Mrs Kate Martin (wid Denis)   - r 2017 Harney

Omaha Daily Bee Omaha, Nebraska
18 Sep 1910, Sun    Page 44

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83746071/2206-harney-street-18-september-1910/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 19 August 21 19:24 BST (UK)
You did a marvellous job of finding the marriages of the daughters of James White and Mary Martin. Thank you so much for finding them and building up the tree. Also for finding the marriage of Kate Martin and Fred Cochran.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 19:45 BST (UK)

Omaha, Nebraska, City Directory, 1910 - Fred D Cochran - lab - r 2600 M
Mrs Kate Cochran - brighouse 2600 m -  r same

Omaha, Nebraska, City Directory, 1909 - Fred Cochran - lab - Swift & Co -  b 26th and N

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 20:06 BST (UK)



Catherine listed on her own (no Fred) in 1940 Kansas City, Jackson, Missouri

Catherine T Cachran   64   Head born PA

William Maxwell 38   Lodger

According to the bio Catherine died in 1956.



Sandra

If that is the right Catherine (without Fred) middle initial "T" - may or may not help  :)

According to WW2 Draft Fred Cochran was a "peddler on his own"



Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 19 August 21 21:09 BST (UK)
Well, either that is not Catherine Cochran on her own in 1940 or they got back together or Fred was saying they were together in 1942.
On the 1910 census, i have been puzzling over something. Looks like Catherine's second marriage though the 2 does not look like the other 2s on the page. Also says 4 children but doesn't say how many still living.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 21:37 BST (UK)


A "peddler" may travel around selling his wares  ??

Although Frederick D Cochran is on the 1940 census Kansas City, Jackson, Missouri.

Frederick D Cochran   57   Head. Married.  Artificial Flower Maker.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 19 August 21 21:45 BST (UK)
Likely the same Frederick D. Cochran as artificial flower maker. Where is that found? City directory?
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 August 21 21:49 BST (UK)


A "peddler" may travel around selling his wares  ??

Although Frederick D Cochran is on the 1940 census Kansas City, Jackson, Missouri.

Frederick D Cochran   57   Head. Married.  Artificial Flower Maker.

Sandra

1940 census Ward 1, Kansas City, Kaw Township, Jackson, Missouri

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7WY-89K

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 20 August 21 20:39 BST (UK)
It doesn't help us to know when Lily E. and James B. White split up but we know that James was in Nebraska in 1932 as that is when he married Jennie E. Klein(M:Gus Klein 1926 Ohio) nee Griess, formerly Panagos(m:1910 Iowa), formerly Schumacher(m:1915 Montana), formerly Kimball (m: 1915-1926).
So I looked for both Lily and Lizzie in 1930 in Nebraska and in California, where she was in 1934. No luck.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 30 August 21 12:35 BST (UK)
James B. White married Jennie E. nee Griess in 1932 in Nebraska and they were divorced by 1937 on grounds of cruelty. Jennie died June 2, 1951 in Chicago and is buried with James. Jennie was first married to George Panagos in 1910, Will Schumacher/Shoemaker in 1915, Richard Kemball bef. 1926 as stated in her marriage to Gus Klein in 1926 but I never found a marriage to Richard Kemball. Not sure which surname she would have been using when she married James B. White, possibly Klein. I am not aware of any children for Jennie in any of the marriages but who knows.
Still haven't found James B. White or Lily White nee Averell or Lizzie White nee Averell in 1930 anywhere.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Cocokathy on Wednesday 08 September 21 18:19 BST (UK)
Hi Peggy, Hi Sandra

My name is Courtney and I live in the US. My mom's maiden name is Watterson, and I was trying to do some research and had the good fortune of stumbling across this incredible thread!
My mother's  (nee Kathy Watterson) father was John Payson Watterson (d. 1995). His father was Joe Ferguson Watterson (b. 1898). Joe F Watterson was one of the children of Ellen Watterson who was "adopted out". Sadly, the family story goes that he became an indentured servant and made many unsuccessful attempts to run away. Anyway, I hope you all see this message and we can talk further. I'm so curious of your connection to the family tree! I would love to pass along the bits of family stories we have garnered. Thanks so much !
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 11 September 21 18:31 BST (UK)
Hello Courtney,
I am so delighted to hear from you. I was not notified that I had a reply to this thread. I just happened to find it when I was about to do another posting.
Basically, I am researching the Watterson family. Perhaps you can add to the tremendous wealth of information that Sandra has found and also what I had. Sandra has done a terrific job of researching this family. How far back in the tree have you been able to go? I would love to tie Joseph Ferguson Watterson's father John Watterson into a Watterson family in Ireland.
Anxiously waiting to hear more from you.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 15 September 21 17:54 BST (UK)
I haven't given up on Lizzie and have been working hard daily to unravel things. Lizzie's daughter Virginia married John George Spencer in 1934 at which time Lizzie was living in Englewood aka Inglewood and I am told she lived in the Hawthorne area and was called Elizabeth White. Virginia and John Spencer had a daughter Jane Georgene Spencer in 1937 who married firstly Henry Joseph Samaniego in 1954 and she was living in Hawthorne as was her half sister JoAnn Fry nee Digney. Jane then married Richard Albert Alves in 1967 but they divorced in 1972. Recently, I  found on findagrave a death of Jane Georgene Arriaga in 2014. I think it is her. Her husband was Alfred  Arriaga, Sr. and I believe they had a son Alfred Aguilar Arriaga July 3, 1975. Can anyone find Jane's marriage to Alfred Arriaga 1972-1975 or a birth certificate for their possible son in 1975. Alfred A. Arriaga Jr.'s birth is in the California birth index with mother Spencer but a birth certificate would really solidify things.
thanks for any help
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 16 September 21 18:40 BST (UK)
Can anyone find an obit for Jane Georgene Arriaga for Feb 9, 2014 in Riverside, California? Husband was Alfred who died in 1987.
thanks for any help
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 24 September 21 22:07 BST (UK)
I was hoping to hear more from Courtney as I think she may have some valuable information for us regarding her g grandfather Joseph Ferguson Watterson, father of John Payson Watterson died 1995. I did send her my email address but have had no reply.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 25 September 21 18:48 BST (UK)
As per the death record of Joseph M. Watterson in Aug 1883, his father was John M. Watterson and was deceased. So looking back at the city directories of Frankford with John M. Waterson and the last one that I see using the middle initial M. is in 1879 in Frankford which may represent John's address in 1878.
I have now found the first and final account of the estate of John M. Watterson filed in Nov 1889. From what I can gather, John M. Watterson's executor was James M. Ferguson (his brother-in-law) who  died in 1885 and John's estate was finalized by James' executor George S. Ferguson in 1889. So not sure if John had a will or if he died intestate but seems like he had a will. I am thinking that this final accounting would have John's date of death. But why can't we find John's death certificate or death record, 1878-1883? I am wanting to find out John's parents' names. And how would one access this first and final accounting in 1889 or find the will or estate papers for John M. Waterson before Aug 1883. Was his death not registered or horribly misspelled?
Hoping for some help regarding John's death.
Thank you so  very much.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 26 September 21 22:16 BST (UK)
I tried to message Courtney again today in case my first message went astray. But her inbox is full. I have not received a reply from her as yet with regard to Joseph Ferguson Watterson.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 27 September 21 02:00 BST (UK)
Back to Lily Ethel Averell who said she was born 1899 in Philadelphia and her parents were Elizabeth Workman and George Averell which I had trouble believing as her parents cannot be found in 1900 in Philadelphia. However I have found a George Averell and an Elizabeth Workman both residing in Philadelphia in 1900 but not as a couple. George is the son of Hugh Averell and Margaret Moore and he subsequently dies in 1913. Elizabeth says she was born November 1969 Co. Tyrone although I cannot find her birth on Irishgenealogy. Co. Tyrone is where Margaret Jane Workman was born in 1850 and she subsequently married Isaac Averell. I don’t know if there is a connection between Margaret Jane and Elizabeth. Elizabeth is living with the William Abernethy family in 1900 in Philadelphia and is single. She says she emigrated  in 1882 and I wonder if we can find her emigration which might give us some clues. I didn’t find Lily in 1900.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 September 21 08:24 BST (UK)
New posters need to post twice before they are able to use the personal message system.
So Courtney needs to do at least one more post.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 27 September 21 08:28 BST (UK)
Oh, I see. So she may have gotten my messages, but can't reply.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 September 21 08:37 BST (UK)
Or maybe hasn't got them yet ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 27 September 21 08:42 BST (UK)
Perhaps she has not been online. I sent message Sept 15.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 September 21 08:55 BST (UK)
If you click on the name, it takes you to the next screen where it shows Cocokathy was last active 24 th September.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: sarah on Wednesday 13 October 21 10:39 BST (UK)
Hi Peggy,

I have just tweaked Courtney's post so that she can reply to you via the PM function.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 13 October 21 13:03 BST (UK)
Thank you very much.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 15 October 21 18:10 BST (UK)
This is for Sandra. In reply #72, you commented on John Watterson's Civil War draft registration and I would like to find it. Would you be able to help me? I tried to PM you but it said your mailbox was full.
Quote:
This may be a ;possible sighting of him - right area ? U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865 for John Waterson birth as of 1 st July 1863 - 44 years - but further along someone has made a comment - "says he is 47" - labourer - born Ireland.  7th Prec 23d Wd, Frankford Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 15 October 21 18:23 BST (UK)
This is for Sandra. In reply #72, you commented on John Watterson's Civil War draft registration and I would like to find it. Would you be able to help me? I tried to PM you but it said your mailbox was full.
Quote:
This may be a ;possible sighting of him - right area ? U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865 for John Waterson birth as of 1 st July 1863 - 44 years - but further along someone has made a comment - "says he is 47" - labourer - born Ireland.  7th Prec 23d Wd, Frankford Philadelphia.

Ancestry record - U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865

See here - https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854245.new#new

Sandra

Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: ChUCK Hallowell on Monday 22 November 21 18:52 GMT (UK)
Lizzie was the wife of Benjamin Watterson and they are on the 1910 census in Philadelphia with their children Julia born 1897, Jennie 1897, Benjamin born 1900 and Lillie age 2. Benjamin is a fireman.
In 1920, the family can't be found but there is a Benjamin living by himself, widower, fireman. I think this is him, which means Lizzie died 1910-1920. Would like her death certificate to verify her maiden name and parents.
Later on, Julia married George Washington Roche abt 1920. Jennie aka Virginia married firstly a Mr. Gee, abt 1920, divorced him, married William Digney June 27, 1931, and lastly John George Spencer. Funnily enough, Virginia used surname Gee at death in 1980 in Long Beach, California.
Lillie married Charles Hallowell bef 1930 and is alive in 1940. Possibly died in Ohio but not sure when. Possible dod June 11, 1961 but not sure of this.
Thanks for any help
Hello -- My name is Charles Warren Hallowell, Jr.
My mother was (died Dec 13th, 1955 -(pneumonia) Lillian Elizabeth Hallowell, ne Watterson.
Julia Roche was my aunt, who visited our home in Willow Grove, Pa many times during WW2.
My dear mother was divorced from my father, and never re-married.
Mother lived at 2163 North 15th Street, Phila, when she died of pneumonia while I was in Boot Camp (USNavy) in December of 1955.
My sister Doris died, leaving 6 children: John, Kathy, Jane, Margaret, Steve, & Michael.
 Jane and Michael are now deceased.
 Doris was born November 24th, 1929, and I am 9 years her junior.
   Mother spoke of her brother Bennie, but I never met him. Her sister, Julia was my favorite aunt, (I didn't know of any others).
 My mother often spoke of a very cruel childhood -- she was placed in a "home", where she met my father, who also had been placed in the same "home".
 Mom, Dad, & Doris lived in Parma, Ohio before returning to the Philadelphia area, where they lived out their lives.
 Charles Hallowell (Dad) worked at the Hunting Park Plant of the Edward G. Budd Company until he retired.
 Lillian Hallowell (Watterson) worked for The International Resistance Corporatoin during WW2, and returned to homemaker after the war.
 She later became a cocktail waitress -- until she died at the age of 47.
 My mother's father was a fireman (not the fire engine guys), who worked 12-hour shifts shoveling coal into a hotel's boilers. In a fit of despair, he shovled one of the babies into the fire pit, so as to spare him from a life of cruel misery.
 It's kinda funny how people talk of "the good old days" -- if they only knew !!
 I'm 83 now, happily married and living in Arizona.
  I'm sorry if this is TMI -- geezers can't help themselves  ;>)

 
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 09 December 21 14:55 GMT (UK)
Hello Charles,
I am delighted to find this reply to my posting regarding your mother and family. I can't believe I wasn't notified that I had this reply or  noticed it on my many visits to this site and this posting. Thank you so very very very much for sending this info. Yes, I did think your mother and siblings had a horrible childhood. Also, your grandmother Lizzie Averill. Can you tell me when and where Lizzie died? Under what name? I am so anxious to know. I do hope you get my reply. I am waiting with bated breath.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 09 December 21 15:17 GMT (UK)
For everyone out there following this thread but especially for Sandra who has been so wonderful with this research. I have confirmed the death of John M. Watterson, widower of Elizabeth Jane Ferguson. John died Nov 22, 1881 and was mis-entered at time of death as James N. Watterson. This is confirmed by locating the administration of John's estate by John's brother-in-law James M. Ferguson who gives John's date of death as Nov 22, 1881. Age 66, born Ireland, died of smallpox. I am told smallpox is likely why John is not buried with the rest of the family as he was buried in the hospital grounds. I am waiting at this moment for the settlement of the estate which records seem to be difficult to find.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 09 December 21 20:38 GMT (UK)
Looking for obit of Joann McLaughlin nee Digney formerly Frye, Riverside, California, July 26,1988. Joann was the daughter of William James Digney and Virginia Margaret Watterson and Joann was born Nov 2, 1932 in Ohio, likely Cuyahoga Co. as that is where her parents were married in 1931. Joann was first married to james E. Frye before 1954 and then to Myron A. McLaughlin aft 1956 but they were divorced Jan 29, 1979. I suppose Joann could have remarried.
Thanks for any help.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 09 December 21 20:47 GMT (UK)
For everyone out there following this thread but especially for Sandra who has been so wonderful with this research. I have confirmed the death of John M. Watterson, widower of Elizabeth Jane Ferguson. John died Nov 22, 1881 and was mis-entered at time of death as James N. Watterson. This is confirmed by locating the administration of John's estate by John's brother-in-law James M. Ferguson who gives John's date of death as Nov 22, 1881. Age 66, born Ireland, died of smallpox. I am told smallpox is likely why John is not buried with the rest of the family as he was buried in the hospital grounds. I am waiting at this moment for the settlement of the estate which records seem to be difficult to find.

Delighted when I saw Charles trying to contact you - that was great news.
Great the you found John at last.  :)

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 09 December 21 20:47 GMT (UK)
Looking for obit of Joann McLaughlin nee Digney formerly Frye, Riverside, California, July 26,1988. Joann was the daughter of William James Digney and Virginia Margaret Watterson and Joann was born Nov 2, 1932 in Ohio, likely Cuyahoga Co. as that is where her parents were married in 1931. Joann was first married to james E. Frye before 1954 and then to Myron A. McLaughlin aft 1956 but they were divorced Jan 29, 1979. I suppose Joann could have remarried.
Thanks for any help.
Peggy

Did come across this legal notice - The Los Angeles Times
Los Angeles, California - 11 Sep 1969, Thu    Page 98

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90307155/joann-mclaughlin-11-september-1969/

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 09 December 21 20:51 GMT (UK)


Sorry, never did see an obit but she was still a McLaughlin on the California death index.  Hope someone turns up the obit for you.  :)

Joann McLaughlin - Joann Spencer

Birth Date 2 Nov 1932 Ohio - Death Date 26 Jul 1988 Riverside
Mother's Maiden Name Watterson - Father's Surname Spencer.

Sandra
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 10 December 21 16:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sandra for the legal notice. Seems like her husband may have had a spending problem or they were at odds with each other.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: Peggy13 on Friday 10 December 21 16:17 GMT (UK)
I did post a thank you to everyone who helped me with this Watterson family but I don't see my posting. So here goes again. Thank you one and all, oldohiohome, RJ137, and everyone. I am so grateful.
I did make contact with Charles Hallowell although unfortunately, he does not know when Lizzie died. Did not know about his aunt Virginia Margaret, only about his aunt Julia Roche. Never met Benjamin his uncle. Did know about Benjamin, his grandfather, as a fireman who shovelled coal into hotel furnaces, not a fireman fighting fires.
Title: Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
Post by: ChUCK Hallowell on Saturday 11 December 21 20:02 GMT (UK)
Hello Charles,
I am delighted to find this reply to my posting regarding your mother and family. I can't believe I wasn't notified that I had this reply or  noticed it on my many visits to this site and this posting. Thank you so very very very much for sending this info. Yes, I did think your mother and siblings had a horrible childhood. Also, your grandmother Lizzie Averill. Can you tell me when and where Lizzie died? Under what name? I am so anxious to know. I do hope you get my reply. I am waiting with bated breath.
Peggy
Best holiday wishes for you and yours, Ma'am --
Sorry that I am unable to help with finding any info on my Grandmother, Lizzie Watterson.
 Per our phone conversation, I never met either of my Grandparents, and have scant knowledge of their lives, and/or where they lived and died.
 There is a huge, gaping hole in the lives of folks who know not whence they came, as I can tell you from several decades of an almost-morbid curiosity.
 Thank you kindly and muchly for your call -- I was as delighted as much as surprised.
 Google:  2163 North 15th Street, Phila, PA -- to see where I lived in North Philadelphia, and where my Mother died of pneumonia (Dec.13th, 1955).
 Best holiday wishes to you and yours.
 Chuck Hallowell
 12/11/21