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Title: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 08 July 21 17:06 BST (UK)
Emma SEITAS married john Thompson on 29th oct 1911 Manhattan new York

They had baby Mildred in 1912

In 1920 they have 3 children
Emma born new york parents born Germany

John a sign hanger born 1882  new york father born ireland
Mother new Jersey

There is an Emma SEITAS with parents herman + sofia born Germany in 1900+ 1905
But in 1915 they have a single daughter emma with them and no sign of baby Mildred

But i cant find alternative Emma SEITAS

Any ideas ?

Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 08 July 21 17:35 BST (UK)
Think last name may be spelled "Sielas".

Daughter Ruth's marriage record.

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D1-MC3

1930 census states Emma was born 1885.

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMC-HMN

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MSVH-L7L

1905 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SPXX-L2N

1910 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MP1J-L98

There is a tree at Family Search

Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MYGH-JH7
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 08 July 21 18:14 BST (UK)
Thanks so much RJ
MY internet connection is very unstable today but i hope to be able to check out those refs

So the Emma im looking at may be SEILAS and the other one SEITAS
* No actually the SEITAS. Spelling is the most consistant .
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 08 July 21 19:20 BST (UK)
Having her parents name led to Emma's correct birthdate 6 july 1885

I wish  her husband's ancestors could be so clear
Trying to find the irish link to match a DNA link

The family search tree says he is john joseph THOMPSON jr with father john joseph THOMPSON sr born 1860 new York but all census records say father born Ireland
It gives mother as Ellen Shwin
A tree has her as Ellen Sherwin
But this couple dont seem to have Irish connections

Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 08 July 21 21:04 BST (UK)
The 1900 Census  has John Sr being married in 1880.

1900 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSV8-TBC

John Sr marriage to Ellen/Nellie Sherwin in 1880

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2491-N86

John Sr. died in 1938.

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W2Q-7PF
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 08 July 21 21:15 BST (UK)
Thank you

I think ive found the correct family on ancestry now
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 08 July 21 21:22 BST (UK)
John Sr's death record has his parents as John Thompson & Elizabeth/Betty Winterbottom of Ireland.

I see a Bidelia Thompson born in 1865 Ireland with those parents names.

Birth:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR9V-KRS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP8G-W3J8

Also, I see an Elizabeth Finley, who died in NY in 1923. She was born in 1857 with parents of the same names.

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WB5-BV7

The ages are in the same time span with John Sr's, so I assume they may be his sisters?
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 08 July 21 22:48 BST (UK)
Thanks again
I found john + nellie with his mother in law ellen SMITH so thought SHerwin was a mistake
She appears as Ellen Thompson sometimes as Nellie

I thought it was two different wives

On marriage surname transcribed as SHERIDEN
 childrens deaths or births spelling very varied mothers maiden name Sherin Shwin sherwin first name Ellin ella nellie.

But ive not seen originals

Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 05:18 BST (UK)
Im cross checking everything now
There are a lot of THOMPSON women
John and Emma SEITAS had 3 girls
He.,had 7 sisters who survived into adult hood
No brothers
Tho Adelaide was transcribed as son Adly age 15 in 1905

Thanks for the family search finds
Proving the Irish link

 Bedelia is an unusual name .there is a Bedelia Thompson in Lancashire England of rright  age but I didn't find her or siister Elizabeth ( Finley) with parents john and Elizabeth winterbottom on irish  census
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 12:41 BST (UK)
Im now going to post on Ireland forum about more recently deceased  irish THOMPSON s and see if we can join dots of paper trail to match DNA to Wicklow born John Thomas 1885 who so far is only son of john THOMPSON
1830

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=850768.msg7183366#msg7183366


Of course the link could be through one of his 7 sisters or his aunts .

Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 09 July 21 15:11 BST (UK)
Im cross checking everything now
There are a lot of THOMPSON women
John and Emma SEITAS had 3 girls
He.,had 7 sisters who survived into adult hood
No brothers
Tho Adelaide was transcribed as son Adly age 15 in 1905

Thanks for the family search finds
Proving the Irish link

 Bedelia is an unusual name .there is a Bedelia Thompson in Lancashire England of rright  age but I didn't find her or siister Elizabeth ( Finley) with parents john and Elizabeth winterbottom on irish  census

Here's another male Thompson with the same parents, born in the same time frame as John.

Robert Warren Thompson

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WT3-W1Q
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 15:49 BST (UK)
Good find RJ
Coincidence same first names as his sisters husband robert warren Finlay

There seens to be disagreement about wether the mother Elizabeth Betty Winterbottom was born in England or Ireland

I wonder if i should ask moderator to merge the two topics to save repetition but which forum should it go on ?
*Maybe keep this post for SEITAS descendants and put all neW THOMPSON  refs on" Thompson of Wicklow connections "to USA topic
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 09 July 21 18:24 BST (UK)
Im cross checking everything now
There are a lot of THOMPSON women
John and Emma SEITAS had 3 girls
He.,had 7 sisters who survived into adult hood
No brothers
Tho Adelaide was transcribed as son Adly age 15 in 1905

Thanks for the family search finds
Proving the Irish link

 Bedelia is an unusual name .there is a Bedelia Thompson in Lancashire England of rright  age but I didn't find her or siister Elizabeth ( Finley) with parents john and Elizabeth winterbottom on irish  census

Here's another male Thompson with the same parents, born in the same time frame as John.

Robert Warren Thompson

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WT3-W1Q

Robert Warren Finlay married Elizabeth Thompson in Mar 1880.

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQF-WY9

They had a son, Robert Jr. in Dec 1880

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRS6-5RH

The family immigrated in 1888.

Passenger Ship List: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPN-R9N6

The family in 1900 census. Last name is mis-transcribed.

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSVL-3KB

The family in 1905 census for NY. -Ignore children being born in the US prior to 1888.

1905 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPX5-3ZX

Robert Jr married Sarah Rosenzweig in 1906 Brooklyn, NY

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:249Z-PYG

They have a son, Harold, born 1906.

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WHD-4RS

Ignore POB(CT) in census for Robert Jr.

1910 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M584-V4H

1915 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K927-SLW

Robert Jr dies in 1928.

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W1K-99J

Sarah is widowed in 1930 census with son Harold and her mother Anna Rosenzweig

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4PD-11P
Title: Re: Are there 2 Emma SEITAS born new york
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 19:08 BST (UK)
Elizabeth and john Warren's son harold Finlay died aug 1900
By 1910 they had divorced apparently

Sorry not got reference

Lots of information about the ancestors in Ireland on other thread now