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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Zakerias on Monday 19 July 21 14:45 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to verify the parent's of Joseph Hall (c. 1826-1878) of Corsenside, Northumberland but I am getting conflicting information. Joseph married Mary Ann Waitt on July 26th 1851, residence at the time of marriage was Wark and his father's name is listed as 'Gilbert Hall' (Farmer). Witnesses were Arthur Storey and Jane Waitt.
I cannot find any information on 'Gilbert Hall'. However, Ancestry points me in the direction of a 'Gabriel Hall' (b. 1788) and interestingly enough Joseph had a child named Gabriel (b. 1854).. Though I can find no evidence to link Gabriel and Joseph, other than proximity.
Does anyone have access to parish registers for the region or have any more information that they are willing to share?
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Joseph Hall
Baptism 16 Apr 1826
Parish Corsenside
Residence Stiddle Hill
Father Gabriel occ Farmer
Mother Margaret
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There are these records
1841 829/8/11
Joseph Hall 15 yrs is a servant in Troughend, Elsdon
1841 829/4/2
Gabriel Hall, wife Margaret and Margaret 10 yrs in Monkridge, Elsdon
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1851 2417 /1
Joseph Hall, 22 yrs b Elsdon is a servant in the household of Arthur Storey in Wark.
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Joseph Hall
Baptism 16 Apr 1826
Parish Corsenside
Residence Stiddle Hill
Father Gabriel occ Farmer
Mother Margaret
Hi Rosie
How did you find this information? and do you think it's safe to discredit 'Gilbert Hall' from the marriage certificate, given there is no information on him? Joseph's birthplace is listed as Corsenside in the 1861 and 1871 census. In 1851 it is listed as Elsdon. I'd been leaning towards Gabriel for a long time but didn't have any connection until now.
Zak
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There are these records
1841 829/8/11
Joseph Hall 15 yrs is a servant in Troughend, Elsdon
1841 829/4/2
Gabriel Hall, wife Margaret and Margaret 10 yrs in Monkridge, Elsdon
Thank you - I didn't have his 1841 census location. I had hoped that he was still living with his parents at this time but I guess not. Back to the proximity argument where there's no evidence (or was before Rosie's post) linking Joseph and Gabriel.
1851 2417 /1
Joseph Hall, 22 yrs b Elsdon is a servant in the household of Arthur Storey in Wark.
This pretty much confirms that this is the same Joseph that married Mary Ann as Arthur Storey was a witness at their wedding. It could also explain how he met Mary Ann, as her mother's maiden name was Storey.
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Marriage
Corsenside, St Cuthbert
1 Jan 1826
Gabriel HALL (groom); Bachelor of Elsdon – abode Earhaugh
Margaret ORD (bride); spinster – abode Stiddlehill
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Possible birth for Gabriel HALL
Born 22 Oct 1793
Baptised 24 Aug 1794, Elsdon St Cuthbert
Parents: Joseph HALL and Eleanor, abode: Raylees
A brother (twin) named James HALL born and baptised on the same dates
A brother named Alexander baptised 22 Sept 1795, Elsdon St Cuthbert
A sister named Hannah baptised 27 Aug 1797, Elsdon St Cuthbert
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Hi Rosie
How did you find this information? and do you think it's safe to discredit 'Gilbert Hall' from the marriage certificate, given there is no information on him? Joseph's birthplace is listed as Corsenside in the 1861 and 1871 census. In 1851 it is listed as Elsdon. I'd been leaning towards Gabriel for a long time but didn't have any connection until now.
Zak
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The 1826 baptism is on F M P from transcripts by Northumberland & Durham Family History Society
I would not think it was unreasonable for the marriage to have his father named wrongly as Gilbert.
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Gosh I typed a lot up and accidentially deleted it :P
So just a quick recap.
FreeREG has the bapts to Joseph/Eleanor that Rosie posted +
John 1799/Margaret 1800/Marjery 1803/Joseph 1805/Matthew 1807/John 1810
There is a lot of detail on most of those 2nd Daug/4th Son etc and Mothers maiden name and pob.
(nee Thompson)
Burials;
JOSEPH 01 Feb 1824 age 55 (1769)
ELEANOR 09 Jun 1829 age 55 (1774)
www.freereg.org.uk
FreeREG doesnt have the Marriage but Familysearch.Org does;
9 June 1793 Elsdon Joseph HALL/Eleanor THOMPSON
Trish :)
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You will also find on FreeREG;
Joseph Halls bapt 1769 Elsdon
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This can now be closed.
Small update: My dad was able to find Joseph and Mary's grave on a recent trip to Northumberland (in an area of the churchyard that had previously been overgrown):
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/252266856/joseph-hall
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Just in case you don't have this:
Newcastle Journal 07 Jun 1898
page 4 col 1
DEATHS
Gateshead, 40 Claremont Street, on the 6th inst.,
suddenly. Mary Ann, relict of the late Joseph Hall,
Percy Cottage, Bellingham
Boo