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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Valba on Sunday 25 July 21 07:49 BST (UK)
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Hello
I need some help please. Marion Watson died at Eaglesham aged 87 in 1855. On the death certificate her husband is given as "james watson". No mention of whether he is deceased at this point. He and Marion married in 1795 in Kippen, Stirlingshire. There where some children born in Stirlingshire that I know about.
I am trying to find James's death certificate both pre or post 1855. He must have at least 75 and maybe 85-90 if he lived that long.
Research of 1841 and 1851 reveals one possible candidate, a Mason living in Biggar, Lanarkshire with a wife named Marion.
Grateful for any thoughts. Thank you
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Does Marions death certificate mention an occupation for James
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hi Rosie - no occupation given sadly
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A Catherine Currie, daughter in law was the informant so there is a good chance he was deceased even though he is a not noted as such. The James who died there in 1855 is not him, different spouse.
You know from her death she is buried in the churchyard she might have a stone and he might be on it. If there is no stone you could try contacting the church they may have a list of burials or council for a search in the burial books.
There is also the Eaglesham Kirk Session Minutes on Scotlands People which you can view for free there might be a mention of him there.
Don
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thank you
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Hi again. There is no stone and no mention in KS records.
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JAMES WATSON Married MARION BROWN 09/08/1795 Kippen
Children Fintry on SP
MARY 15/02/1801, JOHN 10/07/1803, WILLIAM SETTON 13/10/1805
Son John is in Eaglesham in 1851 with his wife & 9 children (Marion is not there.
Colin
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thanks Colin. I knew about the marriage info and birth records. I am concentrating on James's death but thank you again.
In 1841 and 51 I think they are in Biggar.
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The couple in Biggar are more likely to be JAMES WATSON/MARION GILLESPIE, who had several children there 1799 – 1811.
Colin
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thanks Colin. I will ignore the couple in Biggar in that case. Cheers.
I cannot find my James and Marion at all after the last birth in Stirlingshire you mentioned earlier. No mention that is until Marion's death in 1855.
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JOHN WATSON Married KATHARINE CURRIE 14/07/1826 Eaglesham
In 1841 they are at Eaglesham, Montgomery St
1851 Polnoon St. Eaglesham
John born Fintry, Katrine born Eaglesham both 45.
Eldest daughter Elizabeth born Glasgow about 1828
A further 8 children born Dunbarton or Eaglesham.
None called James but Marion was born Eaglesham about 1840.
This would suggest that you have the correct death for Marion but I cannot find her on the 1841/1851 census. It would help to find where she is.
Colin
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Hi Valba
Did daughter in law, Katherine Currie, know Marion's parents' names to be able to give them on her death reg in 1855? If parents were names, what were they? Marion's maiden name Brown?
Have you looked at son John's death reg? This will help hopefully in stating his father's occupation. From the censuses for John, he was a weaver?
Monica
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John the son died in 1874. On his death cert. the parents are Blank Watson for dad and Marion Brown.
both deceased. No occupation for parents given.
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by the way Colin there was a James born 1827-30 in Glasgow I recall. In 1841
WATSON John M 30 Cotton Spinner Outside Census County (1841)
WATSON Katharine F 30 Cotton Piecer Renfrewshire
WATSON James M 12 Cotton Piecer Outside Census County (1841)
WATSON John M 10 Cotton Piecer Outside Census County (1841)
WATSON Alexander M 8 Outside Census County (1841)
Page: 5/18 WATSON Robert M 6 Outside Census County (1841)
WATSON Matthew M 3 Outside Census County (1841)
WATSON Marion F 1 Renfrewshire
TURNBULL John M 60 Baker Outside Census County (1841)
TURNBULL Janet F 40 Renfrewshire
TURNBULL Agnes F 14 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire
TURNBULL Janet F 10 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire
TURNBULL Margarate F 7 Renfrewshire
TURNBULL Matthew M 1 Renfrewshire
BROWN Alexander M 23 Ag Lab Outside Census County (1841)
BROWN Isabel F 22 Outside Census County (1841)
WATSON Elizabeth F 13 Cotton Factory Renfrewshire
TURNBULL Marion F 4 Renfrewshire
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Thanks Valba. What about on Marion's 1855 death reg? Were her parents named?
Monica
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just father ... John Brown mother "unknown"
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Certs haven't helped you much here have they :-\
Did Marion's death certs include a full list of her children by name and age etc? Sometimes you get clues on children's grandparents' names that way too.
Monica
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yes
James aged 55, Mary 52, John 50, William, Alexander - no ages and another whose name I can't make out
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That is correct, I was summarizing from the 1851 census, he was not there.
JAMES WATSON 31/05/1829 Gorbals
JOHN WATSON/CATHERINE CURRIE
Colin
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thanks Colin and Monica too.
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It may be that James Watson Snr died much earlier on.
There is this entry in 1841 www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902e9afe9379091b1db04df/marion-watson-1841-dunbartonshire-west-kirkpatrick-1771-?locale=en
I wonder if Marion could be showing under her maiden name in 1851 (quite common in the earlier censuses to see married/widowed women listed under their maiden name) www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a149302f4040b9d6e8e5378/marion-brown-1851-dunbartonshire-west-kilpatrick-1771-?locale=en
Monica
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Very interesting Monica. I will try and follow up both. Thank you.
I didn't realise widowed women could be listed under maiden names. Why was that?
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Just jumping in here to try and answer your question about widowed women being listed under their maiden names.
It was and still is in Scotland at least quite legal and customary more especially in byegone days to continue to use your maiden name after marriage, widowhood or divorce. If you are searching for a marriage, remarriage or death on the Index at Scotlands people it will be listed under all previous names.
I hope I have explained this properly,
Dorrie
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Thank you
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Would children have been listed under widowed mother's maiden name too?
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Would children have been listed under widowed mother's maiden name too?
Generally speaking, no, because they would have taken their surname from ther father, not their mother.
However if you are having difficulty finding them it might be worth a try, because it could happen.
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thank you