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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: Greaves on Friday 30 July 21 00:11 BST (UK)
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Caroline Allen JEWELL married Bert HIGHLEY in Newport in Q1 1911. The 1911 census then has the newly weds living with his uncle Alfred HIGHLEY at 6 Islwyn Street, Abercarn. Bert is 35 and Caroline is 26.
After this I totally lose track of the couple. I would appreciate any help in locating the couple post 1911.
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Have you checked for any births to them? One in 1918 on freebmd
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Death in 1933 on freebmd in Monmouthshire for Bertie Highley b 1876
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Burial
1st May 1933
Mynyddyslwyn
Bertie Highley age 57
4 Marsh Villas, High Street, Newbridge
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Thanks for the above. So it appears that Bert died in 1933, but was he a widower?
We now know that Caroline was alive in 1918 when Selina was born, but after that they both seem to disappear. I can find no deaths or indeed any other mention for either of them. Nor can I find any more children from the marriage.
I would be very grateful if your sleuthing could turn something up on Caroline.
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No obvious re-marriage for Caroline post 1933 & no death pre or post. The only way you would know if he was a widower is via his death cert
Nothing for Selina either. Her birth was in Glamorgan - not Monmouth - wonder why?
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Sorry, but my internet has been down for reasons only known to BT.
I have sent for the death certificate, so we will see his status when he died. But meanwhile I am still perplexed by Caroline and Selina.
I have no idea why Glamorgan rather than Monmouth, but then on this family I don't have many ideas.
I would still be grateful for any additional insights.
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Have you found Caroline on the 1891/1901 census? I can't find an entry nor a birth reg. Supposedly born 1885 Siddington/Cirencester
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Caroline Allen JEWELL - Q1 1886 Cirencester 6a 382 MMN Jones.
1891C Caroline JEWELL (4) RG12 2007 101 5. Mistakenly her birthplace is given as Herefordshire!
In 1901, I believe based on age that she is named as Emily JEWELL (14), RG13 2469 38
Clearly the same family in 1891 and 1901. No idea as to why the name change.
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So Caroline in 1891, Clara noted as second wife on census and her place of birth given as Chalford. Edgar's place of birth is Siddington.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WB1M-CPZ
Possible for Edgar in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBG-XFF
or there is a younger Edgar John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GM-Y9V
Possible marriage Edgar John Jewell sept qtr 1875 Cirencester with Emily Mary Jones on the same page.
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John Edgar or Edgar John ( he used both!) had potentially 3 wives:
Emily Mary JONES
Clara
Mary HARWOOD/AMOS/JEWELL/BARNES.
The only known marriage register is for Emily.
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1881 Edgar Joel
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27J-FZ1T
1871 as Edgar J Joel
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5TB-2FD
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1886 birth reg is Caroline Ellen Joel on freebmd & on full GRO index - where did you get birth reg from as Caroline Allen Jewell?
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Allen was the maiden name of John Edgar's mother.
Her baptism which is on Ancestry gives her name as Caroline Allen. As does her later marriage.
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I have been looking into what became of Caroline and Selina and needed to get some proof to confirm my theory, now I have it.
The 1911 Marriage of Bert & Caroline didn't last very long and Caroline set up home with William Francis Johnson. This is the sequence of events from that point.
1915 Pontypridd Birth of William Francis Johnson mmn Jewell
1918 Pontypridd Birth of Selina Highley mmn Jewell
1918 Pontypridd Birth of Selina Irene Johnson mmn Jewell
I ordered the pdf's for both Selina births as I thought they might be the same person and they are.
22nd March 1918 21 Wood Road, Pontypridd U D
Selina
Father William Francis Highley Coal hewer
Mother Allen Highley formerly Jewell
Informant W F Highley, father, 21 Wood Road , Pontypridd U D
Registered 28th March 1918
22nd March 1918 126 Berw Road, Pontypridd U D
Selina Irene
Father William Francis Johnson Coal hewer
Mother Caroline Allen Johnson formerly Jewell
Informant Caroline Allen Johnson, mother,126 Berw Road, Pontypridd U D
Registered 29th April 1918
3 more daughters
1920 Hereford Birth of Kathleen Violet May Johnson mmn Jewell
1924 Weobley Birth of Rosaleen Florence Doreen Johnson mmn Jewell
1926 Weobley Birth of Lilian May Johnson mmn Jewell
1933 Death of Bert Highley
1933 Hereford Marriage of William F Johnson & Caroline A Jewell
1939 1939 Register in Somerset
William F 1894
Caroline E 1886
William F 1915
2 closed
All 5 children died in Somerset
Still working on deaths of Caroline and William senior
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Wow! You have been busy. Sending for the PDFs goes well beyond what can be expected.
I am very grateful for these insights. They simply changed their names, no wonder I couldn't find them.
Presumably Caroline died as a Johnson, possibly in Somerset.
Once again many thanks. Your skills clearly surpass mine. I'm impressed.
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I've really enjoyed the searching and this was an interesting quest. At the moment I don't have any mysteries that can be solved by a couple of pdf's. Ordered Monday and arrived Wednesday, great service.
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Indeed, very quick service. I ordered the PDF for Bert, though this wasn't so helpful. He died 27 Apr 1903 at 4 Marsh Villas, High Street, Newbridge, Abercarn, aged 57. He was then a labourer in a tinplate works. He died of pneumonia following a fractured rib received from a fall in a bedroom! There was an inquest (28 April 1933), but no PM. All of which was interesting, but of little help in finding his wife and daughter.
Glad you enjoyed the chase.
I have another one in preparation, once I can sort it sufficiently to make a coherent post. Once again it involves a wife leaving her husband and children, to live with someone else! Seems to have happened a lot in my family!