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Title: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: familysleuth on Friday 30 July 21 06:20 BST (UK)
Dear clever decipherers -

I am researching the sad life of Annie Marie Louise Loridan (married name Clarkson). her mother's family seems to have had mental health issues running through the females, and Annie was placed in a mental institution from 1908 (shorter periods before) - apparently until her death in 1944 for " drunkenness and neglect of household duties" - the reason her husband divorced her.

I have recieved 2 partial pages of the Goodna Case book - the writing is a challenge.
any help would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 30 July 21 06:28 BST (UK)
Unless I am doing something wrong, when I zoom in, they are just a blur.

Could you post clearer images please.   :)
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: majm on Friday 30 July 21 06:39 BST (UK)
Can you please save in a different extension, its the dreaded jpeg flaw that's blurring it on my puter too, its not just Ruskie

JM
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: familysleuth on Friday 30 July 21 06:50 BST (UK)
Alas, that is all I was given.
maybe I can PDF it....
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: horselydown86 on Friday 30 July 21 06:52 BST (UK)
Can you please save in a different extension, its the dreaded jpeg flaw that's blurring it on my puter too, its not just Ruskie

The problem is that the file is only 8Kb in size.  You can't have sufficient resolution at readable size with such a tiny file.

For instructions on how to create a readable image, see Reply #5 here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823393.msg6866209#msg6866209
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: horselydown86 on Friday 30 July 21 06:59 BST (UK)
Alas, that is all I was given.
maybe I can PDF it....

If you use the instructions in my previous post then there won't be a problem saving the snip as .JPG or .JPEG.
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: familysleuth on Friday 30 July 21 07:05 BST (UK)
try this
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: majm on Friday 30 July 21 07:08 BST (UK)
Our OP likely has this, but some background....
Annie died in Queensland. 
The Qld bdm reference is 1945/C/1071

Likely there's a Queensland Probate file as there is definitely a England & Wales partial Probate listed on the National Probate Calendar there.

CLARKSON, Annie Louise Marie Loridan, of Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia, widow, died 19 December 1944, Administration (limited) 5 May 1945, £1443 18s 9d in England ...

JM
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: majm on Friday 30 July 21 07:14 BST (UK)
How much can you read of it?

There's a full physical description of Annie, and then it continues with how and why she was committed.   


JM
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: familysleuth on Friday 30 July 21 07:37 BST (UK)
thanks - I have the probate, and where she is buried.....

would be interesting to get a copy of the will, to see who she gave her money to

cheers,
Louise
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 30 July 21 08:34 BST (UK)
The sloping writing is the most difficult to read.

Although the new images are a lot more legible, it is still a little blurry so the detail of much of the small running writing is lost (on my iPad at least).  :)

A start
Top document:
In sloping writing - something I can’t make out and mention of husband’s letter of 22-12-05.

Further History:
Locked herself in the Masonic Hall and refused to allow the
caretaker to enter. She struck a constable over the head with
a hammer.
She was a patient here from July 3rd to August 23rd 1901.

 
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 30 July 21 08:44 BST (UK)
Her husband tells us 3/9/4 that her father who was a miner & crushing mill …….
in Ballarat lived with a woman who …… to excess?  In a ….. Bla….. a
child to him. Her mother has been confined in a private asylum in Victoria
& her mother’s sister is … a patient in the same asylum Victoria & a brother drank himself to death


not very sure of this next para sorry

…..3 Guineas gross & ….    Bathing togs but ……. In a
……. ful way if  there is a ……  …….   at

2. Often …. ….  ……. trouble in the ward advising new patients not to wash
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 30 July 21 08:53 BST (UK)
Oct 20th Very excited & noisy all day. Nov 7th No improvement. Very abusive
to the nurses & doctors & uses foul language

Nov 26th Told Dr Man/Marr today that the nurses were pushing ……….
to make her unwell

Dec 1st As she is continually interfering with the nurses in the execution
of their duty & using foul language when  spoken to she
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: familysleuth on Friday 30 July 21 08:58 BST (UK)
many thanks for what you have given me!
yes, it is coming together - but this writing is shocking!
I will continue to study it.

as a side note - her father was an odd man too - many court cases - interesting that his foibles were not seen as 'mania'......
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 30 July 21 08:59 BST (UK)
A tall stylish grey haired woman with pince-nez & false
teeth fair complexion - Grey Eyes. Three vaccination marks on
Left arm. Birith marks on left heel & right thigh.
Height 5ft 5 1/2 inches. Weight 126 lbs. Heart & Lungs sound.
V……..   - 1020 - normal

Declares the ‘private detective” who  arrested her assaulted
her in the street - she went into the Masonic Hall
to get protection & to wait for the protection of the
Acting Commissioner of Police
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: familysleuth on Friday 30 July 21 19:58 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for this - most interesting! I saw an account of this incident in the newspaper (TROVE australian newspapers). she was arrested, but not charged or convicted, and protested that she was not being violent until a policeman came up to her and laid hands on her.

Sounds as if her husband had a private detective looking for her, actually. He seems to have been keen to get rid of her and remarried quickly after he recieved the divorce
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 30 July 21 23:11 BST (UK)
Good work mckha.  :)

I had a try but had many more -blanks- than you.  It sounds like a complex family familysleuth. Quite sad.
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: majm on Saturday 31 July 21 00:21 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for this - most interesting! I saw an account of this incident in the newspaper (TROVE australian newspapers). she was arrested, but not charged or convicted, and protested that she was not being violent until a policeman came up to her and laid hands on her.

Sounds as if her husband had a private detective looking for her, actually. He seems to have been keen to get rid of her and remarried quickly after he recieved the divorce


Newspaper cutting ... re the arrest by Constable Collis, she was charged under a warrant, the Magistrate heard the evidence, including medical evidence, and discharged her,

30 January 1902 The Telegraph (Brisbane, Qld).
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173564873
Re her arrest .... Dr Espie Dods deposed that he examined Mrs Clarkson and found her, in his opinion, to be sane.  Accused was discharged. 

So the Doctors (appointed by the Court) who examined her found her to be sane at that time, thus the Magistrate discharged her, thus the warrant was fully executed, ie spent.     

JM
 
Title: Re: Doctors Handwriting so very challenging!
Post by: majm on Saturday 31 July 21 00:38 BST (UK)
1909 Divorce  .


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238278233 Daily Telegraph, Sydney, 3 April 1909

He sued for divorce (petitioner), and the respondent was represented by a Guardian.

ADD,
Decree Nisi https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238326316 28 July 1909
James next married 21 August 1909, in Sydney New South Wales - nearly 900 kms from Toowoomba in Queensland.  NSW BDM ref 7160/1909.

JM