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Title: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: Cath1605 on Sunday 01 August 21 10:00 BST (UK)
Hello all!
I'm wondering whether anyone here might know of a reason why a person's probate record might be missing from the UK Probate Register? I have the death certificate confirming the date of death (14/6/1917) and a newspaper article reporting that the Will had been "proved" on 12/9/17. But I have looked all through the register using all sorts of variations of the name that I can think of, to no avail. I thought all Wills became available on the Public Record once they had been proved but I'm wondering if there is any reason why a Will record may not have been listed in the Probate Register, and if so, is there anywhere else I should look?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Cathy  :)
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 01 August 21 11:03 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat.

What is the name you are searching for?
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 01 August 21 11:24 BST (UK)
There is no "UK" Probate register. There are separate jurisdictions for England and Wales, Scotland, and (in 1917) Ireland. Where was the will proved?
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 01 August 21 11:31 BST (UK)
Probably not relevant here, but there are also separate jurisdictions for Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey.
None of which are part of the UK ;)
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: Cath1605 on Sunday 01 August 21 13:00 BST (UK)
Hi all!
Thank you for your response. The name I'm searching for is Alexander Fuller-Acland-Hood, Baron St Audries.
I have been looking here. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
Thanks again!
Cathy
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: Cath1605 on Sunday 01 August 21 13:46 BST (UK)
Sorry… forgot to say I would imagine the will was proved in England. It’s where he was born, lived, died and was buried. He was a British politician when he died so there would be no reason for it to be proved anywhere else… or am I mistaken?  :-\
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 01 August 21 14:40 BST (UK)
He may have had assets in other jurisdictions, and therefore the will would have to be proved in each jurisdiction.

I have involvement twice with Isle of Man Wills that also had to be proved in England.
Once due to shares; once due to property.
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 01 August 21 14:41 BST (UK)
He is there....

Name:   Alexander St. Audries
Death Date:   4 Jun 1917
Death Place:   Somerset, England
Probate Date:   8 Sep 1917
Probate Registry:   London, England
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: arthurk on Sunday 01 August 21 16:56 BST (UK)
Not the easiest to find - it's indexed under "Stau..." and appears between Statton and Stauffer.

(I tried lots of permutations too, including "St Aud...", but I only found this by going to Ancestry and putting in Alexander without a surname, and with an exact date of death.)
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 01 August 21 17:16 BST (UK)
Not the easiest to find - it's indexed under "Stau..." and appears between Statton and Stauffer.

(I tried lots of permutations too, including "St Aud...", but I only found this by going to Ancestry and putting in Alexander without a surname, and with an exact date of death.)

Good find! ;D
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: arthurk on Sunday 01 August 21 17:21 BST (UK)
Good find! ;D

Not me, m'lud! I only persisted because carol8353 said she'd already found it, and instead of just asking her where it was, I was trying to work it out myself.
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: Andrew Tarr on Sunday 01 August 21 23:04 BST (UK)
He is there....
Name:   Alexander St. Audries
Death Date:   4 Jun 1917
Death Place:   Somerset, England
Probate Date:   8 Sep 1917
Probate Registry:   London, England

That makes sense - St.Audries is on the road from Bridgwater to Minehead, in Somerset.
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: Cath1605 on Sunday 01 August 21 23:06 BST (UK)
Oh My!! You are all incredible! I have been looking for this on and off for years and you've found it in less than 12 hours!! Thank you so much. I'm so grateful!  :D :D
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 01 August 21 23:12 BST (UK)
Oh My!! You are all incredible! I have been looking for this on and off for years and you've found it in less than 12 hours!! Thank you so much. I'm so grateful!  :D :D

I actually found it in less than 5 hours 😁
Title: Re: Missing from the Probate Register
Post by: Cath1605 on Monday 02 August 21 00:26 BST (UK)
Genius!!  :o  :-*