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Title: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria (Completed thank you to all)
Post by: Cienna on Thursday 05 August 21 05:02 BST (UK)
Hi,

I have been trying to find a date of birth for John Smith born around 1898, Carlton, Victoria, married Annie WARE.

I have been unable to find any article on him what so ever.......hopefully some one will be able to help.

Thank you in advance
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 05 August 21 05:14 BST (UK)
Where did they marry?
Does the marriage certificate give you any information as to his parents?




Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: Cienna on Thursday 05 August 21 05:19 BST (UK)
Parents:

John Oliver SMITH and Florence Annie EAGER, apologies, I did mean to add them, all it says for their marriage is Victoria.

Cienna
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 05 August 21 05:54 BST (UK)
Possibly this birth then. On the Victoria BMD site

https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/efamily-history/610b5a861052731c0be94877/results?q=efamily

SMITH
John Henry Thomas
Birth
Florence. EAGER
John SMITH
CARLTON
1898
1711/1898

Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 05 August 21 05:57 BST (UK)
I cannot see a SMITH/WARE marriage though.

Where is your information about that from? 


Added…oh, it’s a war marriage.?

Marriages Jun 1917   (>99%)

Smith    John H    Ware    Hastings    2b   93    
Ware    Annie    Smith    Hastings    2b   93


Can that be right?  He would have to be 18 to enlist.  So 1916 and then train and be over there with time to meet someone  and marry them in the 1917 June quarter?

Can you please detail the track back to this couple.  I cannot see at first sight his WW1 record, although I am unfamiliar with the indexes so may not be searching as one should.


What does it say about wife on death cert?

https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/efamily-history/610b5a861052731c0be94877/results?q=efamily
Changed his name to John William Smith?.
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: Cienna on Thursday 05 August 21 23:46 BST (UK)
Thank you, mckha489 for the info, the lady I am helping knows nothing about John SMITH, she was always led to believe his middle name was William, his daughter is trying to find anything in regard to him, I haven't had much luck in my research, she asked me to find anything on his younger days, I have tried Trove but to no avail......will try another search.

Thank you again

Cienna

Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: majm on Thursday 05 August 21 23:52 BST (UK)
May I butt in,

Thank you, mckha489 for the info, the lady I am helping knows nothing about John SMITH, she was always led to believe his middle name was William, his daughter is trying to find anything in regard to him, I haven't had much luck in my research, she asked me to find anything on his younger days, I have tried Trove but to no avail......will try another search.

Thank you again

Cienna




I think your John SMITH has a middle given name.   See one of your current threads :

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=851007.0


2nd marriage

JONES
Louisa Isbla
Marriage
SMITH, Jno Wm
1919
1455/1919


JM



Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: Cienna on Friday 06 August 21 00:10 BST (UK)
Thank you JM, I don't think the lady I am helping is aware John married again, he walked away one day and they never heard from him again.....

Will continue to research him to see if I can find anything.

Thank you again

Cienna.
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: majm on Friday 06 August 21 00:24 BST (UK)
May I presume that the person you are helping was born in Australia.

If born in Victoria, or New South Wales, or Queensland or Western Australia, then their own birth certificate should give quality information about their parents. 

I was born in NSW, and my birth cert includes the following about my parents:
when and where married (date and place)
their full names (including all their middle names, and mum's maiden name)
their ages (when I was born)
their occupations (when I was born, including the full name of Dad's employer, not just his professional occupation)
their home address (when I was born)
where I was born (hospital), the doctor's name, and the names of two midwifes.
plus the names and ages of my older siblings....   

I understand that Victoria's bdm birth certs have far more depth of detail than NSW, and that Qld and WA have about the same as NSW.   ALL have restricted access for members of the general public, but living people who can provide proof of identity IF NAMED on the document can generally purchase the certificate.

So if the person you are helping has good contact with their youngest sibling, then have you asked them to check their own birth certificate to compare ....

JM
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 06 August 21 02:06 BST (UK)
May I butt in,

Thank you, mckha489 for the info, the lady I am helping knows nothing about John SMITH, she was always led to believe his middle name was William, his daughter is trying to find anything in regard to him, I haven't had much luck in my research, she asked me to find anything on his younger days, I have tried Trove but to no avail......will try another search.

Thank you again

Cienna




I think your John SMITH has a middle given name.   See one of your current threads :

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=851007.0


2nd marriage

JONES
Louisa Isbla
Marriage
SMITH, Jno Wm
1919
1455/1919


JM

I am glad you remembered about that thread JM, I had forgotten. 

So starting again…..

Because as per the old thread, we had already found the second marriage of (Annie) Louisa Isbla Jones, née Ware.
to John Smith.   What are the details re John on that marriage certificate?
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: Cienna on Friday 06 August 21 02:19 BST (UK)
Thank you one and all, after a relative of the lady I am helping we have finally figured out what they need to know on John Smith...

Thank you all again.

Cienna
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: majm on Friday 06 August 21 02:37 BST (UK)
......

I am glad you remembered about that thread JM, I had forgotten. 

So starting again…..

Because as per the old thread, we had already found the second marriage of (Annie) Louisa Isbla Jones, née Ware.
to John Smith.   What are the details re John on that marriage certificate?

Thank you one and all, after a relative of the lady I am helping we have finally figured out what they need to know on John Smith...

Thank you all again.

Cienna

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JM
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria (Completed thank you to all)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 August 21 09:04 BST (UK)

I have added this reply to both your threads

John William SMITH died near Kyabram aged 69 .
Father John Oli SMITH.(sic) Mother Florence An Eager (sic)
Year 1968. Reg 831.

This death certificate would further answer your questions and perhaps confirm or otherwise, a second marriage.

During his early life, he and his siblings apparently lived mostly  in the Carlton area of Melbourne.
It looks like sometimes their father was with them, sometimes not.
Perhaps the marriage between Florence and John Oliver was a rocky relationship, but the electoral rolls show them at both separate and at shared addresses.

Florence filed for financial support in 1900 after John Oliver SMITH deserted her.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/241248276

The last of the registered children I can see is in 1905 Victoria.  The first to Florence being ex-nuptial in 1895.

Sue
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria (Completed thank you to all)
Post by: Cienna on Saturday 07 August 21 00:33 BST (UK)
Thank you JM, I will remember that next time..Sue, thank you for that piece of info, I was having trouble finding something  on this family, I know the parents did separate, I will use the link you have supplied.

Thank you again.

Cienna
Title: Re: John SMITH 1898 Carlton, Victoria
Post by: Victoria1987 on Thursday 26 August 21 13:52 BST (UK)
Hi I may be able to help the lady that your helping as I have info about and photo of who I think is John William smith.I’m his great granddaughter and I have be doing my own research on the family and would love to share with her