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Title: Identifying a photo
Post by: Lindyloowho on Thursday 05 August 21 17:21 BST (UK)
Can anyone help me with the attached - it was in my dads things, but I don’t think he’s on there. One suggestion was the Home Guard.
Dad joined the Durham Light Infantry in 1922, transferred to the Northumberland Fusiliers, and eventually ended up at the Small Arms School in Hythe, before leaving the army in the early fifties.

Any idea on the uniform, era?

Thanks, Linda
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Thudnut on Thursday 05 August 21 17:41 BST (UK)
Hi Lindyloowho.

The cap badge looks very much like that of the Northumberland Fusiliers.

Thudders
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Lindyloowho on Thursday 05 August 21 18:06 BST (UK)
Okay, that makes sense. 
Can you tell me when or what the metal helmets were used for?
And what is the “box”in front, with a badge/sign, that the guy is holding?

Excuse my ignorance!

Linda
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Thudnut on Thursday 05 August 21 18:20 BST (UK)
Steel helmets were standard issue, first issued (I think) around the time of D-Day.  They remained in service until the mid-1980s (and uncomfortable they were too!)

The insignia on the box may well be a Battalion Emblem, although others with better knowledge than me should be able to help you with that.

Thudders
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: SiGr on Thursday 05 August 21 20:02 BST (UK)
I could be wrong but I think the 'badge' on what I think is simply an ammunition box is a '1A'  on a black square/diamond. It might be the equivalent then of the 'hazard' signs we have on modern military ammunition containers and that you see on vehicles transporting dangerous goods.

Happy to be told I am wrong !

For a modern example, see: https://www.safety-label.co.uk/products/explosive-label?currency=GBP&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwmK6IBhBqEiwAocMc8jCJdq4kUi0wWnw3wB9YXRbR64peJ9VOiPu33J8pPZMOEVXV2fm2mRoCS20QAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Lindyloowho on Thursday 05 August 21 22:55 BST (UK)
Thank you both. All the bits of information help with the overall picture.
So probably WWII, not I then.
Dad didn’t fight in the war - he was teaching men to shoot, including officers at Sandhurst. Some of them didn’t like being taught by a lowly soldier! ;)

Linda
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 05 August 21 23:28 BST (UK)
Probably earlier than WW2, judging by the uniforms and webbing. Mid 1930's most likely. Not sure about the apparently white uniforms- others may be able to explain that. The large pouches around their necks are their gas masks.
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Thudnut on Friday 06 August 21 11:34 BST (UK)
The 'white' uniforms may actually be khaki uniform that just looks white in the photo. Just a thought.

Thudders
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 06 August 21 11:45 BST (UK)
The steel helmets were standard issue from 1915 onwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodie_helmet
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 06 August 21 11:51 BST (UK)
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The 'white' uniforms may actually be khaki uniform that just looks white in the photo. Just a thought.

No I think some of them are wearing white tropical uniforms - maybe as part of a field exercise.
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Lindyloowho on Friday 06 August 21 18:56 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your suggestions.  I think I’ll chalk it up to “unknown”!

Linda
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: verrieres on Tuesday 12 October 21 14:20 BST (UK)
The photograph appears to be taken  at Fenham Barracks Newcastle which was the home of the Northumberland Fusiliers . The steel helmets are MK1`s  (displaying unusual paint camoflauge) The MK III helmets were the ones issued shortly before D-Day.
The `White` uniforms are not tropical issue but `Fatigue` or work uniforms Shirts; Fatigue smocks & trousers made of unbleached canvas and later denim supplemented with Jerseys/Cardigans. The Khaki  Tunics are british service dress 1922-39 (although due to shortages after Dunkirk old stocks were re-issued.
Fatigue dress had long existed with the more formal `smart` uniforms saved from staining and wear by the introduction of these items . After 1939 it was generally replaced by “Denim Overalls”. Between the World Wars use of shirtsleeve order and of jerseys had greatly increased in the tropics and from World War 2 onwards this spread to temperate regions. New informal/working forms of dress multiplied apart from coveralls etc. these consisted of combinations of various shirts, jerseys, trousers and headgear .
In June 1935 George V celebrated his silver jubilee. This opportunity was taken of granting royal status to four regiments, principally in recognition of their service in the previous war the Northumberland Fusiliers were one of them becoming THE ROYAL NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS . In 1936 they were one of four infantry regiments selected to become `Machine Gun` Regiments.
On September 17th 1936 the 1st RNF sailed for Palestine and were still in the desert at the outbreak of WW2. 2nd RNF were the first British Regt in France on 1st October 1939.

Just for information clarification .

Jim
Title: Re: Identifying a photo
Post by: Lindyloowho on Wednesday 13 October 21 15:06 BST (UK)
Jim - thank you for the additional information. Especially the probably place the photo was taken.

Linda