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Title: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 00:17 BST (UK)
Hi all after a hand please i am looking to find my mothers lineage at the moment i can get to John Matthews b 1825 Pitt Mill Somerset England. and died 1883 (aged 58) in Dalby QLD Australia. And his spouse was Mary Ann Gordon (Babb)b 1829 in Chidew Somerset UK and died 1891 IN Warwick Qld Australia that is all i have  if anyone could put some more light on this much appreciated.


cheers Dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 11 August 21 00:50 BST (UK)

What names did Mary Ann and John have on their deaths on QLD BDM Index

What does this mean - Is Gordon a third given name, or second married name?

Is Babb a given name?

"...Mary Ann Gordon (Babb)"

Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 11 August 21 00:56 BST (UK)
I suspect you may have names confused.  :)
You may be looking for James MATTHEWS and his wife Frances (maiden name WRAY / RAY) who arrived in NSW on “Persia” in 1856 with their children Mary 7, Sarah 2 and baby William.
Other children were born in QLD - Job born 1859; George and John born 1866.
[James died in 1883 and his wife Frances died in 1891, QLD.]

According to the 1852 marriage record of James MATTHEWS and Frances RAY in Ilminster, Somerset, his father was Job MATTHEWS a labourer; her father was John RAY a labourer.

ADDED:
There is a James MATTHEWS baptised 30 Dec 1826 in Somerton, Somerset, son of Job (labourer) and Jane

The family of Job and Jane Matthews in 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ13-9H1
And in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGPS-5L3

Job MATTHEWS married Jane PEATER or PESTER in Drayton Somerset on 8 April 1821
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58185b3be93790eb7fa5d6d6/jane-peater-job-matthews-marriage-somerset-drayton-1821-04-08?locale=en
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 01:05 BST (UK)
Their Australian death certificates should give both of their parent’s names (if known by the informants).

Do you know when John and Mary came to Australia? If they married in Australia, their marriage certificate would also give both sets of parent’s names, and would be more accurate, as the information was given by the couple themselves.

Once you have that information you can look for them in the UK censuses before they emigrated. With John having such a common name knowing more about him and his family might help you narrow down the correct family. First useful census in England was 1841.

Regarding Mary, what does “Babb” in brackets mean?

Have you looked for parish records for those areas in Somerset, to see if births/baptisms are transcribed and available? Familysearch and freereg would be places to start looking.

Added: although others have beaten me to it, I will post this reply anyway. :)
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 01:35 BST (UK)
We might need clarification of places of birth, but Google  ::) leads me to a Pitt Mill in the parish of Leighland. The church is St Giles. Some transcriptions here:
http://www.wsom.org.uk/Parreg.html

I can’t locate a place called “Chidew”.

Can you clarify place names and tell us where you got the names came from?

Added: I had a quick look on the above link and there is a Matthews family baptising children.
Parents: George and Christian
Abode: Pitt Mills
Occupation: Miller

There is a John in 1822 and a Thomas b 1824. I also saw a George and Elizabeth but may be a different family or an error in mother’s name*. I haven’t looked beyond that.

* Different family I think + different abode.

Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 01:41 BST (UK)
Hi all after a hand please i am looking to find my mothers lineage at the moment i can get to John Matthews b 1825 Pitt Mill Somerset England. and died 1883 (aged 58) in Dalby QLD Australia. And his spouse was Mary Ann Gordon (Babb)b 1829 in Chidew Somerset UK and died 1891 IN Warwick Qld Australia that is all i have  if anyone could put some more light on this much appreciated.


cheers Dave

Hi there,

May I please add to the list of questions ...

Do you have the Queensland BDM actual documents? If so, what is recorded for 'How Long in the Colony/colonies" for John MATTHEWS who died in 1883 ie before his wife Mary.   It would be likely that Mary was the informant or at least the source of the answer to that particular question.   Queensland BDM records include a great deal of family history information, including when and where born, when and where married, ages  (often even the names) of children of the marriage/s, cause/s of death ... 

JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 01:54 BST (UK)
I wonder?

1841 census

Pitt Mills
Old Cleese

George Matthews 60 Miller
Christian 55
George 20
James 20
John 15
All born in county

Next door is a John Vickery. Address is “Chidgele”. Now I wonder if Chidew is meant to be Chidgele*?
Vickery name may not be relevant - it was the address that caught my eye.  :)

A map here:
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qtz/

* I think this may be Chidgley, east of Leighland.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 02:20 BST (UK)
Chidgley appears to be in Nettlecombe parish if your search for Mary leads you there. The link I gave previously has Nettlecombe baptisms, but we need clarification of her surname before searching.

Added: I might be off on the wrong tangent here, but I can’t see any families with the surname Gordon or Babb, but the surname “Babbage” appears. Coincidence or relevant?
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 02:32 BST (UK)
Maybe completely wrong, but just in case, from the Nettlecombe PR transcriptions:

Babbage
Mary Ann chr 1831 (age 4 1/2 yrs)
Parents Robert and Sarah
Occupation husband?
Abode: Yard

Other baptisms to the same couple:
James 1832 abode Yard Mills, occupation lab
Sarah 1832
Jane 1833 abode Nettlecombe

I just jotted down those few while having a quick look - there  may be others.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 02:45 BST (UK)
thank you for your replies please see attached documents that i have



thanx dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 11 August 21 02:57 BST (UK)
Dave, if you have a good look at the death certificate you have posted - you will see it is in NSW (not QLD) for someone born in Liverpool (not Somerset). :)
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 03:13 BST (UK)
Thanx for that  i could not decipher the death certificate.

cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 11 August 21 03:22 BST (UK)
The information on the death certificate has been given by her 14 year old daughter, and may not be very accurate. I would recommend getting the marriage certificate for more accurate details.
Marriage in CARCOAR
2284/1876   
EASSIE     WILLIAM
MATTHEWS    SARAH A   
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 03:43 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for that you couldnt decipher father and mother  that is the main ones im afterof both sets of parents

cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 11 August 21 03:48 BST (UK)
Are you using research that someone else has done, or your own research?

Ancestry London BDM   marriage
10 Aug 1851   St Mary Lambeth
MATTHEWS John full age   bachelor    cabinet maker
father George MATTHEWS   miller

BABB Mary Ann   spinster 
father Henry BABB   servant

Witnesses   * *  GAWLER,      Ed.  POWELL
all parties sign,  address for John and Mary is 13 North Street


GRO birth
MATTHEWS, Sarah Ann     mms      BABB 
1852  SepQ   Williton Vol 05C  Page 348
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 05:56 BST (UK)
BABB Mary Ann   spinster 
father Henry BABB   servant


This Henry and family appear on the 1841 census. I saw them earlier but did not take note of the details.

I am on iPad and can’t seem to download the two documents. Never mind.

Added:
1841 census living in Kilton Somerset
Henry Babb 35 servant
Mary 35
Louisa 18
William 15
Mary 14
Alfred 11
George 7
Elizabeth 5

Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:13 BST (UK)

I am on iPad and can’t seem to download the two documents. Never mind.


Ruskie, when you download on iPad, go to the down arrow in a circle top right as in this image, it opens the list of downloads

Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:15 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for that you couldnt decipher father and mother  that is the main ones im afterof both sets of parents

cheers dave

Thanx for that  i could not decipher the death certificate.

cheers dave


Hi there,   may I mention that the document you have uploaded 7816/1895 for the death of Sarah seems to me to have information overwritten on it and those "changes" have not been signed off by the NSW BDM officer certifying the entry.   I realise that the d.c. is indexed twice at NSW bdm online index,  once as EASSIE and once as ESSIE and both times the index gives her parents given names as John and Mary A.  The death was registered at Blayney, in the central west of NSW.   

I will see if I have further information about that family in my offline resources. 

JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:17 BST (UK)

I am on iPad and can’t seem to download the two documents. Never mind.


Ruskie, when you download on iPad, go to the down arrow in a circle top right as in this image, it opens the list of downloads

Wonderful, thanks so much Mckha.  ;D
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:22 BST (UK)
Here is a snip   I read Sarah's parents as John MATTHEWS, miner and Mary Ann GORDON. 

JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:24 BST (UK)
The occupation of John Matthews could be Miner rather than Miller. Mother is Mary Ann Gordon.

I haven’t looked through the other document (family tree) as yet.

Snap JM.  :)

Sarah Ann’s marriage to William Eassie should clarify her parent’s names, father’s occupation etc. it might be worth investing in it.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:27 BST (UK)
 :D  Ruskie,  I think the tip on downloading from mckha will be a great help to me too.   ;D
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:29 BST (UK)
:D  Ruskie,  I think the tip on downloading from mckha will be a great help to me too.   ;D

Glad to be of help  :) :)

Added…I tend to clear them everyday.I don’t know what would happen if you had a long list sitting there and don’t want to find out.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:31 BST (UK)
:D  Ruskie,  I think the tip on downloading from mckha will be a great help to me too.   ;D

The silly thing is, when I opened the links and selected “download” I could see the file flying up to the top bar of my iPad but didn't put two and two together, and had no idea it was hiding under the down arrow in a circle. You learn something new every day.  ;D

Haha Mckha. A few double ups of those files were all I had in my download section. After clearing it the circle and down arrow disappeared. Downloaded again and circle and arrow reappears. Very handy to know.  :)
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:38 BST (UK)
Thank you so much all for your help the documents came from my sister so was thinking she made a mistake  but ill take all the help i can get


cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:41 BST (UK)
According to the tree…. Sarah Ann Matthews b “Putsland” Somerset? I can’t see such a place.  :-\

 (Will keep looking)

Williton district as per the 1852 birth found by Wivenhoe earlier.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 06:52 BST (UK)
1878 NSW Electoral Roll for Carcoar Electorate

William EASSIE, (qualified to vote because:) residence, Brown's Creek.

JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 07:01 BST (UK)
From Sarah's d.c.  in the column where her date of death is, on the left hand end ... notice the actual locality is recorded.  It could well read "Brown's Creek".  If so, in the 1870s Mining started there.  It's near Blayney. 



JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 11 August 21 07:06 BST (UK)
Also. Death cert says been in NSW 37 years, so the 1871 census attached cannot be her
So can forget about Putsland. Even if 37years not entirely accurate.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 11 August 21 07:23 BST (UK)
According to the tree…. Sarah Ann Matthews b “Putsland” Somerset? I can’t see such a place.  :-\


This is the original, Ancestry have it transcribed as Ireland, but I don't think that is correct. "Pitt Mill" is for father John, then the next two for mother Mary Ann and dau Sarah Ann, then Bermondsey for dau Flora MATTHEWS.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 11 August 21 07:37 BST (UK)
Oh, you're right mckha, yes if she'd been in Oz for about 37 years then this can't be her.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 11 August 21 07:46 BST (UK)
The information on the death certificate has been given by her 14 year old daughter, and may not be very accurate. I would recommend getting the marriage certificate for more accurate details.
Marriage in CARCOAR
2284/1876   
EASSIE     WILLIAM
MATTHEWS    SARAH A   

As Neale said, I think obtaining this marriage cert is crucial.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 08:39 BST (UK)
That Matthews family in Bermondsey might be related to yours due to the father John being from Pitt Mill.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 08:45 BST (UK)
yes i see thank you all of eassie children  were mostly born in Browns creek and Blayney i didnt pick that up . I have william eassie in browns creek since 1876 where he got married.


 cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 11 August 21 09:42 BST (UK)
That Matthews family in Bermondsey might be related to yours due to the father John being from Pitt Mill.

I could be wrong, but I think John MATTHEWS from Pitt Mill (who married Mary Ann BABB) came from wishful thinking that this is the family of Sarah Ann. I can't see how the information provided on the death certificate would lead to this family. As was noted earlier the death cert says Sarah Ann's place of birth was Liverpool. Hopefully the marriage certificate will confirm.

Btw, I couldn't help but try to work out that place name on the 1871 - as the 1861 for this family has her birth at Kilve, Somerset, I wonder if the place name on the 1871 is meant to be Putsham?
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 11 August 21 09:48 BST (UK)
Of course you are right Maddy.  There has been a mix up of the various Matthews families.

I agree that the marriage certificate is necessary to move ahead with this.  :)
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Wednesday 11 August 21 09:49 BST (UK)
thank you Maddys52 i had different data  until my older sister told me i was wrong that is why i am scratching head i am ordering marraige  cert for myself be lot easier to follow

cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 11 August 21 10:39 BST (UK)
This may well be completely wrong – but I'm looking forward to the marriage cert, to confirm or eliminate this train of thought

•   Death for a John MATTHEWS in 1890 at Blayney  NSW
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215946488/john-matthews
•   In the NSW Birth index I see children born in Carcoar to John MATTHEWS and his wife Harriet. James? 1854,  Ann 1856, Henry 1859, Elizabeth 1861, John 1864
•   Immigration of John Matthews and Harriet in June 1853 on board “Australia” with children Mary 7, Sarah 5, and William 2.
John is a farm labourer born in USA and Harriet is from Somerset
•   1851 census for John Matthews and Harriet in Somerset
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGB-9K3
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Wednesday 11 August 21 23:38 BST (UK)
Civil registration of bdm events commenced in NSW in 1856.   

BUT ....Re marriage registrations  until around 1890s, the depth of detail forwarded to the NSW BDM Registrar Generals Office was only a summary,  and often did NOT include all the info found on the original church record. 

NSW bdm website does mention this, but it's hidden away.

And, although before WWI (So from around 1912-1915ish) the NSWBDM started to "reconcile" their sparse marriage info with the original   church records,  that project was set aside as those NSW BDM clerks were needed as clerks in AIF base records. 

NSW government has not ever provided adequate funding to complete that project.

So, 1912-1915  most of the project concentrated on reconciling the churches in metro Sydney.   

The church record does have  full details,  but if a rural locality, as a general rule,  the NSW BDM won't have all the info.  So best advice is to figure out which actual church the couple married in, and then chase down the church records.   

So don't waste dollars on real deal certificate, just get official transcription.  It will have same info without fancy watermark.  Cheaper etc.  It will have name of clergyman and where ceremony was held.  (Clues to help locate the church records)

A number of years ago I prepared a thread, now on the resources board, on how to  overcome the elusive blanks on NSW bdm.

But please do not expect that NSW bdm marriage certs will be informative if for a marriage in rural NSW 1856 to 1895. 

There is at least one further step.
 

JM  ADD ...on e reader, can't copy my live link to that thread, sorry.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Thursday 12 August 21 00:09 BST (UK)
my puter now

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0

ADD
Some detailed information, hopefully to explain what should be in the various blank spots.

The elusive missing details would be those from columns 5, 7, 9, 10 of the NSWBDM certificates.

Column 5 gives the Birth places for the groom and the bride, Note, NSW was often recorded as NS Wales.  This is not Wales, as in the United Kingdom.  It is definitely the then usual abbreviation for New South Wales. 

Column 7 gives the then ages of the groom and bride  (note if bride was not yet 21 years, then the name of the person giving consent should appear in the section giving details of the church in which the marriage was celebrated, and thus may be included in certificates that have not yet been reconciled).

Column 9 gives Father’s name, Mother’s name and maiden surname (groom’s father, following by groom’s mother, then bride’s father and followed by bride’s mother)

Column 10 gives  : Father’s occupation (groom’s father shows above bride’s father) and if either father’s were deceased, this is often noted too.

If the NSW BDM has completed the Reconciliation process for those marriages 1856-1895, then the certified copy (from NSW BDM) shows in the far right lower column:  “Particulars in Columns 5, 7, 9, 10 obtained from Church Register (and the particular number) and then the signature of the clerk at the Registrar General’s office, with initials from various other clerks who have checked each particular.  Then the date of that reconciliation and various clerical numberings.....

So the elusive blanks are of course the ones that help advance family history researchings.... and hopefully explain my concerns re the wording of that paragraph on the NSW BDM website re the "all available information" ....  ;)

"As only limited information is available to view online, you have the option to purchase a Family History Certificate for all available information."

Cheers,  JM


JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Thursday 12 August 21 00:31 BST (UK)
thanx majm very informative will try this way you have written about


cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 12 August 21 00:50 BST (UK)
Depending on the accuracy of the information on the d/c so far we have:

Sarah Ann died in 1895 aged 41 years which means she was born around 1854.

She had been in NSW for 37 years, so that means she came to NSW at about 4 years of age, more than likely with her parents.

Therefore a family group of Matthews arrived in NSW around 1858.

The family Neale found in 1853 looks possible. Though the mother is Harriet, I have found many incorrect mothers on d/cs. Another possibility is that Mary Gordon died and John remarried Harriet before leaving England.

The adults should all appear on the 1851 census, so when the marriage certificate arrives we can try to track them down back in England.

Please let us know when it arrives.  :)

Added: freebmd has marriages in 1850 in West Brom which includes a John Matthews and a Mary Gordon, but I don’t know if they married each other. :-\
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Thursday 12 August 21 00:56 BST (UK)
Thank ruskie majm suggested  i go thru church  records would be better  so i am exploring that option instead of bdm as majm said being carcoar which is country be better of



cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 12 August 21 01:02 BST (UK)
Thank ruskie majm suggested  i go thru church  records would be better  so i am exploring that option instead of bdm as majm said being carcoar which is country be better of



cheers dave

Yes of course, follow JM’s good advice. Let us know what you find.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Thursday 12 August 21 01:35 BST (UK)
You need to know which clergyman and/or which Church, and then you need to know where the church register has been archived.   Sometimes it has been filmed or at least transcribed and it is that image that is held by the SAG or the State or National Public Library and or the local family history group.  BUT you need to know which clergyman and which denomination in the Carcoar district.


The clergy and the denomination will be on the Official transcription of the NSW BDM, so I suggest unless you already know those details (eg from a newspaper cutting at trove) that you do proceed with obtaining an official transcription.  The info on it takes you to the next step....

JM.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: maddys52 on Thursday 12 August 21 01:37 BST (UK)

Added: freebmd has marriages in 1850 in West Brom which includes a John Matthews and a Mary Gordon, but I don’t know if they married each other. :-\

Unfortunately, the marriage is between John MATTHEWS (father: William) and Harriet MATTHEWS (father: Edward) on 3 March 1850 at West Bromwich.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 12 August 21 01:45 BST (UK)

Added: freebmd has marriages in 1850 in West Brom which includes a John Matthews and a Mary Gordon, but I don’t know if they married each other. :-\

Unfortunately, the marriage is between John MATTHEWS (father: William) and Harriet MATTHEWS (father: Edward) on 3 March 1850 at West Bromwich.

Thanks for eliminating that one Maddy.  :)
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Thursday 12 August 21 02:08 BST (UK)
NSW Electoral Roll 1870 CARCOAR
John MATTHEWS, freehold, Limestone Creek.

NSW ER 1878 CARCOAR
John MATTHEWS, freehold, Sugarloaf Creek

William EASSIE died 1897.  Some INDEX details on live link for NSW State Archives which would be files held at Kingswood. 
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/f/1e5kcq1/INDEX1198242

John MATTHEWS died 1890  Some INDEX details etc here:
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/f/1e5kcq1/INDEX1038178

JM

.....................
•   Death for a John MATTHEWS in 1890 at Blayney  NSW
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215946488/john-matthews
•   In the NSW Birth index I see children born in Carcoar to John MATTHEWS and his wife Harriet. James? 1854,  Ann 1856, Henry 1859, Elizabeth 1861, John 1864
•   Immigration of John Matthews and Harriet in June 1853 on board “Australia” with children Mary 7, Sarah 5, and William 2.
John is a farm labourer born in USA and Harriet is from Somerset
•   1851 census for John Matthews and Harriet in Somerset
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGB-9K3

 
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: maddys52 on Thursday 12 August 21 02:26 BST (UK)
That's a good idea too JM.

A very kind and generous RootsChatter - rosball - offers to photograph records that are held at Kingswood, however she won't be going there again until after our lockdown is over, so quite some time yet I would think.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703011.0

The probate package for William EASSIE:  NRS-13660-4-601-Series 4_14760
For John MATTHEWS: NRS-13660-3-[17/2373]-Series 3_20954

Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: Neale1961 on Thursday 12 August 21 02:40 BST (UK)
I don’t know where Dave-W is situated, but it is possible to get a copy of many of the NSW records (depending on date), through state libraries in other states. I have in the past accessed early NSW church records on Microfisch held at QLD State library. A phone call or email to the family history section might advise on availability.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Thursday 12 August 21 03:12 BST (UK)
I have posted some info on the 'wrong' thread.... ( ;D  ;D  ;D ) but it belongs here on this thread (I will sort - not everyone can confuddle things but I excel at that -  sssshhhhhhh  :-[  :-[ , ) :

John MATTHEWS has quite a number of parcels of land in the Civil parish of Lindsay in the County of Bathurst in the Land District of Carcoar as per the 1884 historic parish map available online (no charges involved) from the former NSW Land Titles Office.

I will be back shortly.  It can be a tad difficult to access if you are not familiar with their website.

JM
BACK now

At the following website https://www.nswlrs.com.au/Parish-and-Historical-Maps  scroll through to the following
Finding parish and charting maps
Historical Land Records Viewer
The Historical Land Records Viewer (HLRV) is an online tool that you can use to explore parish and historical maps. It includes digital records of the charting of the state’s cadastre (property boundaries), which were digitised from hard copy maps in 2002. An archive of these maps can be viewed for free in the Historical Land Records Viewer.
 Then click on the Historical Land Records Viewer.   Accept their T & C – or be denied access.

At the next section, click on the ‘search by’heading in the keyword dialogue box, and scroll through the options and select the PARISH NAME option.    And then move to the next dialogue box (to the right).    Enter the following :  LINDSAY
This gets you to a the historic maps for the area that John Matthews held freehold title to. 
Select the one for 1884,  and zoom in as far as you want….  Move right and left and up and down through that map…. Quite a few parcels for him.
There are similar maps for all the civil parishes across all of NSW.   
How did I know which parish map to look for?   Well there’s several other threads describing how to sort that out.   
Here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678243.0  THIS helps to provide the name of the parish for all the localities in NSW as per their familiar names to the staff employed in that government department in the 1950s through to the 1970s.   It is an excellent “cheat sheet”.
And
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777978.0   this is the Land Registry Services info (the former NSW Land Titles Office, of which NSW Births Deaths Marriages was once a sub-office) 
JM




Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 12 August 21 03:22 BST (UK)
Trove Government Gazette 14 Oct 1890
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/221643447?
In the will of John MATTHEWS, the elder, late of Sugar Loaf Creek, near Blayney, in the Colony of New South Wales, farmer.....died 28th day of September, 1890.....granted to
William MATTHEWS, of Berreera, near Dandaloo, farmer
James MATTHEWS, of Blayney, grocer
Henry MATTHEWS, of Sugarloaf Creek, near Blayney farmer

BDM NSW death
3108/1890     MATTHEWS John   parents John / Unknown    @  Blayney   (28 Sep 1890)
735/1901       MATTHEWS Harriett                                     @   Blayney (16 Mar 1901)
2093/1939     MATTHEWS James  parents John / Harriett     @  Blayney   (3 Jan 1939)

Evening News 9 Oct 1890 p7
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/113748475?
Mr John MATTHEWS, snr, a very old and respected member of the district died at his residence Willowvale, Sunday night. The funeral took place on Monday when a large number of friends and relatives were present.

The Blayney Advocate and Carcoar Herald 23 Mar 1901 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144288609?
Mrs H MATTHEWS sen., a very old resident in this district, died at her son's residence, Saturday last.
She was buried on Sunday afternoon, the funeral being largely attended. 

Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative  9 Jan 1939 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/161942868?
....one of Blayney's grand old men, when Mr. James MATTHEWS died at his residence on Tuesday, at the age of 84 years. Mr. MATTHEWS (whose parents migrated from England, and travelled from Sydney to that district by bullock dray) was born in that district in May, 1854, and up to the age of 25 years worked on their farms, when he took up a selection in the Narromine district and went in for grazing. He stayed there five years, eventually selling out to his brother, and returned to Blayney, where he again took up grazing and dealing, in which occupation he took a very active in-
terest up to twelve months ago.
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Thursday 12 August 21 04:19 BST (UK)
thank you all my mothers family was from Blayney i live in Armidale NSW and Fathers side was from  Singleton NSW


cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Thursday 12 August 21 04:37 BST (UK)
I was born and raised 'on the Lachlan' Condo and thereabouts...  I can easily wear Condo socks.

JM 
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Friday 13 August 21 01:49 BST (UK)
Thank you all  just wondering how to look up passenger list  of a ship in 1800s  any help would be helpfull

cheers dave
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Friday 13 August 21 02:02 BST (UK)
Which port of arrival?   If ship arrived in NSW, then the NSW State Archives online will help.

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-and-shipping

similar resources for each jurisdiction.

ADD  this You Tube link is very helpful
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/magazine/video/archives-behind-the-scenes-assisted-passenger-lists

ADD 2  .... you mentioned you are in Armidale... the Uni there has an excellent library, community access etc... and it has the NSW State Archives ARK kit ...   ;D
"UNERA also provides local access to the Archives Resources Kit. The Kit contains the core of the State's colonial records on microfilm, as well as guides to the State's archival heritage."

https://www.une.edu.au/library/heritage-centre/une-and-regional-archives   

JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: majm on Friday 13 August 21 02:42 BST (UK)


I see you are currently online, and I have added to my reply, so perhaps you had already read the reply before I had twice added, so I repost it in full.   :D  :D

Which port of arrival?   If ship arrived in NSW, then the NSW State Archives online will help.

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-and-shipping

similar resources for each jurisdiction.

ADD  this You Tube link is very helpful
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/magazine/video/archives-behind-the-scenes-assisted-passenger-lists

ADD 2  .... you mentioned you are in Armidale... the Uni there has an excellent library, community access etc... and it has the NSW State Archives ARK kit ...   ;D
"UNERA also provides local access to the Archives Resources Kit. The Kit contains the core of the State's colonial records on microfilm, as well as guides to the State's archival heritage."

https://www.une.edu.au/library/heritage-centre/une-and-regional-archives   

JM
Title: Re: Mothers Lineage
Post by: dave-w on Friday 13 August 21 03:03 BST (UK)
Thanx jm  that helped alot


cheers dave