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Title: Ellis Island Records
Post by: ugo on Tuesday 17 August 21 16:26 BST (UK)
Please I need help finding what happened to Mary Jane Burns born 1866 in Poplar Middlesex, she sailed on the Ship "Bothnia" in September 188 to New York with a party of women and children for I believe were Poplar Union Workhouse, she had spend most of her life in and out of the workhouse, I would like to know a bit more, Many thanks
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 August 21 16:42 BST (UK)
Here's her arrival in 1888, pre-Ellis Island.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-BR9D-T2?i=24&cc=1849782&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVSL-HCP9
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: ugo on Tuesday 17 August 21 17:10 BST (UK)
Thanks Erato, I found it a few years ago, could not go any further then, hope there is more these days
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 August 21 17:35 BST (UK)
Who were her parents?  Is this a possibility?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2445-TSD
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: Genealiza on Tuesday 17 August 21 17:40 BST (UK)
Do you know the names of her parents?

Sorry Erato, you snuck in as I hit "save"
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: ugo on Tuesday 17 August 21 17:57 BST (UK)
Her father was Patrick Burns , a sailor he deserted the family, mother known as Ann,  leaving them to spend most of
their life in Poplar workhouse. ,
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 August 21 18:39 BST (UK)
Were there any other relatives in the United States?
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: ugo on Tuesday 17 August 21 19:39 BST (UK)
No, the Burns family have given me plenty of brick walls,  two sister died in infancy, both mother and father never found their deaths,  keep going back every  few years, a bit of a hopeless case.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 August 21 19:50 BST (UK)
It's going to be really tough with a name like Mary Burns.  She could have gone anywhere and there is no 1890 census.  By 1900, she was probably married.

It would be really tedious to do, but you could try tracing the other women in this rather large party of women exported from the poorhouse to see where they went.  Did they stay in New York or did they maybe set off as a group for some frontier location where there was a shortage of women?
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: ugo on Tuesday 17 August 21 19:58 BST (UK)
I did that too, I read somewhere that the Poplar send women away ,but no details .
Hope they found better times.


Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: jorose on Sunday 22 August 21 03:44 BST (UK)
I don't see anything on the shipping list to suggest these women were all sent out by Poplar Workhouse. A number of them are not from London.

Louisa Aldersley, for example, a few lines below, with son Edward, appears to have been from Lincoln and by 1901 is back with her husband:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X95L-41V

This is not to say that Mary didn't receive some level of financial/charitable support for her move, just that it doesn't appear to have been a large scale group movement of women. Looking at poor law records in Poplar might help:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1408154?availability=Family%20History%20Library

For example, looking around 1879, this looks like her in the Creed register in Poplar, with a brother.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRK-49VD-X?i=556&cat=1408154
Roman Catholic, from "FG" (forest gate?) School - gone "with mother".
In short order all three back in workhouse:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRK-49VZ-1?i=558&cat=1408154
And back again:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRK-49V6-X?i=564&cat=1408154

The kids seem to have gone back and forth between the workhouse and the school.
In 1880 both kids are transferred to FG in November 4 1880, and only John has following Workhouse dates.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRG-TSW4-B?i=637&cat=1408154

By 1881 it's just Ann and John together:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRK-F9F?i=338&cat=1408154

John and Ann appear together and separately in later workhouse records but I haven't been able to pick up Mary.

So where did Mary go to? She was about the age to be found a job in domestic service. And is the woman in the passenger list in 1888 the same Mary or a red herring?
Title: Re: Ellis Island Records
Post by: ugo on Sunday 22 August 21 07:44 BST (UK)
Hi  jorose thanks for your interest, I first looked at the poor law records at the LMA almost twenty years ago, and this week going over them again, checking and trying to find where the original info came from, I have the births and deaths of her siblings,, followed her Mother ,still looking for her death ,same with father he's  pain too. Still have lots to do, it always great to have someone else input thanks again