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Title: India births
Post by: m23to53 on Wednesday 18 August 21 09:42 BST (UK)
I am trying to find the birth of Daphne Kathleen Forster who I believe was born India as she married Frank Douglas Goodman in Lahore in 1926. The marriage registration says her father was Edward McEwen Forster about whom I can find nothing. Ancestry, Family Search, Findmypast have proved negative about her birth except to show from other records etc. birth dates of 3/9/1902, 3/9/1910 and 3/9/1915.
She came to England in 1934 after her husband died, incidentally an Englishman who went to India in 1923 working for a bank there, married a George Clay in 1942 and died 2007.
Are there any other sources that can be checked for the birth ?


John
Title: Re: India births
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 18 August 21 11:22 BST (UK)
Hi John,

What is Daphnes Fathers Occp on the M/C?

Do you also have her arriving in England 6 May 1933 from New Zealand?
Its has the same address as her intended address as the 1 Feb 1934 arrival
6 Grenville place S W 7

Trish :)
Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 August 21 12:21 BST (UK)
Previous thread with a sister mentioned Myrtle Phyllis

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731469.0


Title: Re: India births
Post by: PaulineJ on Wednesday 18 August 21 12:25 BST (UK)
No space(s) for further fathers' details on India marriages.

Marriage was April 1926, and she claimed to be 22y at the time . Groom claimed 25y of age
Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 August 21 12:29 BST (UK)
What did Myrtle say about her father at her marriage to Leonard Shapland?
Title: Re: India births
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 18 August 21 12:35 BST (UK)
India baptism
20 Feb 1910, Meerat, Bengal
born 26 Jan 1910
Myrtle Phyllis Fullam
Father Edward McKeon Fullam
Mother Augusta Fairfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGWN-KP2

Among others
Kathleen Augusta Fullam
bap 25 Sep 1902, Fort William, West Bengal
born 3 Sep 1902
Father Edward McKeon Fullam
Mother Augusta Fairfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGWM-PHC
Title: Re: India births
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 18 August 21 12:57 BST (UK)
Another Indian baptism
Edward McKeon Fullam
bap 31 March 1867
born 22 Feb 1867
Parents William and Eliza
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXB-W6T

Marriage, 17 June 1896, Bengal
Edward McKeon Fullane (Fullam?)
+
Augusta Fairfield Goodwyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJR-YJQ

Indian Daily News, 23 June 1896, has something about the marriage.
Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 August 21 13:00 BST (UK)
Very nice!


Added. Newspaper notice just names her father

“Eldest daughter of the late Mr Leonard Pierson Goodwyn, Bengal Pilot service”
Title: Re: India births
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 18 August 21 13:04 BST (UK)
It was a fluke :(
Googled "Myrtle Phyllis Forster"
And results brought up
Myrtle Phyllis Fullam/Forster from tree Minns/Bourquin Family Tree (Private)

So I started looking for Fullam!
But is Daphne Kathleen the Kathleen Augusta baptized in 1902? :-\
Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 August 21 13:06 BST (UK)
If She is then she was 104 when she died in 2006
Which does sort of fit with being 22 in 1926
Title: Re: India births
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 18 August 21 13:08 BST (UK)
Oh, that looks promising!
Perhaps there are some wills in the family.
Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 August 21 13:12 BST (UK)
Looks as though parents died 1911 and 1914. So were the children brought up in a family named Forster I wonder.

Augusta.  28 May 1914
Edward.    10 Oct 1911
Title: Re: India births
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 18 August 21 13:25 BST (UK)
Good work everyone :)
Title: Re: India births
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 18 August 21 15:44 BST (UK)
Edward died in 1911 and there was this baptism in 1913

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HGJY-6BW2

The father was Harry William Lovell Clark. Augusta was implicated in the murder of her husband & Clark's wife for which Clark was hanged. An understandable reason for the change of name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_Fullam

Title: Re: India births
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 18 August 21 16:19 BST (UK)
Wow, that was unexpected!
Well done, Osprey.
Title: Re: India births
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 18 August 21 16:40 BST (UK)
wasn't sure about posting the details as it could be upsetting. Lots of press coverage, Augusta often under the surname Fulham.

Title: Re: India births
Post by: m23to53 on Thursday 19 August 21 10:05 BST (UK)
An interesting story which could be the truth because of her sister taking the name Forster, and that birth date of 3/9. And also the lack of birth records for the children.  I wonder if newspaper reports of the trial and afterwards still exist, which might mention what happened to the couple's children. Ancestry has several trees for Edward Fullam which stick to BMD details or lack of them, with little about the children to show their later life - have emailed one on the off chance the owner knows more than she states in the tree.
The Wiki article on the murders - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_Fullam - does not menion them, and their source is various true life crime books which I doubt mention the children.

John
Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 19 August 21 10:43 BST (UK)
report of the first day of the trial

Englishman's Overland Mail 27 February 1913

includes

Title: Re: India births
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 19 August 21 10:49 BST (UK)
and earlier

Englishman's Overland Mail 16 January 1913

She seems to give quite a bit of evidence reported in other issues. The coverage is intense.
Title: Re: India births
Post by: m23to53 on Sunday 22 August 21 17:26 BST (UK)
I have a reply from the owner of the tree about DKP, a descendant of the Forster family, and he confirms your findings, that DKP=KAP. He recommends to anyone interested in the story to read 'The Agra case' by Molly Whittington-Egan.

Regards
John