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Title: Death Cert
Post by: reflector on Wednesday 01 September 21 16:40 BST (UK)
Hi, its been a very long time since l was on here but because of roots l found my ancestors in Italy and have connected with their decendents so here is another one l need your help on.

Recently l met up with a cousin that l have not seen in over 40 years and she said she would like to know exactly what happened to her birth mother so this is the story.

My aunt Dorothy May Holland married my uncle Henry George Travi in 1948 in Southend on Sea Essex, my cousin) was born 1957 and the story goes that a couple of years later my aunt had another baby and was ill (today would be post natal depression) sadley she was put into Runwell Mental Hospital and my uncle set up home with another lady until 1978 when they married and told my cousin her mother had committed suicide and was buried in Finchingfield Essex but we cannot find any death and medical records are destroyed after 20 years. Sadley my cousin had an unhappy childhood with her step mother and would like closure. Can anybody out there help me . We are waiting to be able to visit finchingfield to see the church there and hopefully see a record of her death.

Thankyou Sandra.


Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Shropshire Lass on Wednesday 01 September 21 17:09 BST (UK)
I can only find one baby born to the couple - the cousin you mention.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 01 September 21 17:46 BST (UK)
When was Dorothy May Holland born?
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Annie65115 on Wednesday 01 September 21 17:53 BST (UK)
I canít see any Travi/Holland births registered after Ireneís. I wonder if the baby was miscarried, or a stillbirth?
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Wednesday 01 September 21 18:21 BST (UK)
Apart from Birth of a living person removed Volume 4a page 976 Mother's Maiden Name = Holland
No other Travi/Holland Births as previously stated..

However there is a Death of a 1 year old Baby Girl
Candice L Travi
in June Quarter 1961 in Islington District Volume 5c page 907
However no Trace of her Birth on freebmd in England and Wales so Birth may have taken place in Scotland or Ireland.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Wednesday 01 September 21 18:37 BST (UK)
Don't Assume her Death was Registered as Dorothy May Travi
Her Death may be under Holland
Or she could have remarried and Death under another Surname
Her Date of Birth or Year of Birth would help alot and where Born ?
 
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 01 September 21 19:36 BST (UK)
For what it's worth this is Henry's death

TRAVI, HENRY  GEORGE     1911 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q4/1989 in SOUTHEND ON SEA  (4751A)  Volume 9  Page 3103

His birth date was 16 May 1911

His second wife Lily died in 1995

TRAVI, LILY  ROSE     1915 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/1995 in SOUTHEND-ON-SEA  (4751A)  Reg A55B  Entry Number 104
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: reflector on Wednesday 01 September 21 19:47 BST (UK)
l am afraid that is all the information l have and what lrene had been told by her step mother, if the story about the baby was true l think it was still born or miscarriage as there was never another baby in the family, l could not find a birth for Dorothy so searched for Holland with mothers maiden name Holland thinking she may have been illegitimate, only one for  1924  l have sent for this cert. l have searched under Holland and Travi and would her father be that wicked to say her birth mother had died. As you realise being in an asylum in the 60s would have not been spoken about but l do remember my mother saying she wondered how Dolly was but at the time nothing was done about it
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 01 September 21 20:04 BST (UK)
What I find interesting is that I cannot find either Henry or Dorothy on the 1939 Register.  With women who have married there is usually the married surname alongside the maiden name with brackets round it.  No trace whatsoever.

Henry is just as elusive even though I put in his birth date +/- two years.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: tonepad on Wednesday 01 September 21 20:05 BST (UK)
Have you considered ordering the Marriage Cert for Henry George Travi in 1978 to confirm his status at this time - widowed or divorced?


Tony
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 01 September 21 20:12 BST (UK)
With women who have married there is usually the married surname alongside the maiden name with brackets round it.  No trace whatsoever.

Not always the case, though. My motherís married name isnít annotated against her maiden name in the 1939 Register.

I was going to suggest buying the 1948 Travi - Holland marriage certificate which will give Dorothyís age and therefore some guide to her year of birth.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 01 September 21 20:20 BST (UK)
That would be a good move, perhaps get that first rather than the 1978 marriage.  I stated earlier that Henry was born in 1911 which was on his death details.

Not that when Henry was born is any guide, she could have been born earlier or later than him.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Comberton on Wednesday 01 September 21 20:45 BST (UK)
From reply 4

Birth
Candice L Job
Jun 1959 Islington
5C 1352
mmn Furneaux
Deaths
Candice L Job age 1
Jun 1961 Islington
5C 907
and
Candice L Travi age 1
Jun 1961 Islington
5C 907
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 01 September 21 20:56 BST (UK)
Was HG already divorced when he married Dorothy?
Marriage of Henry G Travi to Elizabeth L Clench in Finsbury in June qtr 1940.
Elizabeth seems to have married again, also in 1948, to William Millett in Islington.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: antonymark on Wednesday 01 September 21 21:02 BST (UK)
Is it Dorothy or Henry who is your parent's (mother's?) sibling? If it is Dorothy do you know her parents' names?

Wildcard:
Deaths Southend Mar 1973 4A 3009
TRAVI, Mary (b. 24 April 1919)

Regards, Tony.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 01 September 21 21:18 BST (UK)
There isn't a Mary but there is a Dorothy May who would fit the birth date given in antony's post.

HOLLAND, DOROTHY  MAY     LATHEY 
GRO Reference: 1919  J Quarter in CHARD  Volume 05C  Page 439
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: antonymark on Wednesday 01 September 21 21:22 BST (UK)


Wildcard:
Deaths Southend Mar 1973 4A 3009
TRAVI, Mary (b. 24 April 1919)



I think I see this one already married to a George T Travi in Islington 1939.

Tony.


Added:

Marriages Jun 1938 Islington 1B 381
TRAVI, George T  +  VARLEY, Mary  (on same page)
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 01 September 21 21:33 BST (UK)
If it is this one

Marriages Jun 1938
Travi    George T    Varley    Islington    1b   381    
Varley    Mary    Travi    Islington    1b   381

then her surname is obviously not Holland.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: antonymark on Wednesday 01 September 21 21:41 BST (UK)
Sorry GG, I 'added' as you were posting.

T.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 01 September 21 21:46 BST (UK)
Henry or Dorothy on the 1939 Register. 

1939 electoral register has Henry George Travi at 13 Risinghill Street, Finsbury, with the Travi family.
He's not at home with them on 29 September that year.
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: Forguette on Wednesday 01 September 21 22:01 BST (UK)
Reflector, may I enquire whether you and your cousin have done Dna tests?
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: reflector on Thursday 02 September 21 15:02 BST (UK)
Thank you for all your replies , he was married to E. Clench before Dolly and will check M. Cert to Lilly
I have fully researched the Travi Family so most of the names you are bringing up are all accounted for. i have done DNA when searching for Travi family may have to ask Irene to take one lets see how the search goes , l will keep you informed if we have a breakthrough.

sandra
Title: Re: Death Cert
Post by: reflector on Thursday 02 September 21 15:04 BST (UK)
Just a little update Henry was in the forces so maybe thats why he is not there on Sept .