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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: dutch missmarple on Monday 13 September 21 19:22 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
this is a compicated one, so I'll try to explane what I'm looking for.
Looking for any information about William Ross from Edinburgh Scotland.
According to census 1841 he was living in Southwark, John Street, West , nr. 11 with 14 other people.
He was 25 years old according to the census and he was a Lantern Maker.
I don't know where he was census 1851 and 1861.
Census 1871 has him living in Deptford (59 years old) with his nephew William T Nelthropp and niece Lydia J.
But....., William and Lydia (nee Noble) were married to each other since 1868.
So first question: if William Nelthropp was his nephew and Lydia was his niece how were these two both related to William Ross. I find this very confusing.
Second, third and fourth question: where was William Ross in 1851 and 1861. When was he born and who were his parents. When and where did he die (I presum Lomdon area, but not sure).
Any help grately appreciated.
Oh btw, census 1841 shows that both William Nelthropp and Lydia Noble were living at the same address as William Ross (John Street, West, nr. 11, Southwark). So they knew each other probably all their lives.
Dutch MissMarple
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Could be one of those situations when somebody is referred to as Uncle although not biologically related. An “honorary” title. Where were William & Lydia born?
How is William Ross connected to your FH?
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You have:
1841 1083/24/39
William Ross 25 yrs Lantern Maker b Scotland with several people including
Jane Nelthropp 29 yrs
William 4 yrs
George 3 yrs
There are baptisms for William Tell and George Matthew with parents William Tell Nelthropp and Jane.
George’s birth shows mother as Hobbs.
Also as you say there is:
John Noble 25 yrs b Scotland
Lydia 25 yrs
Lydia 2 yrs
Lydia’s birth shows mmn Taylor
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In 1851 1557/14/21
William Ross, Cousin, 39 yrs model and Pattern Maker in Wood b Edinburgh, Scotland is living with the Noble family in Southwark.
John Noble is b Edinburgh.
1861 401/16/26
The Noble family but no William Ross
There is a child William Ross Nelthropp born to your couple in 1871 so perhaps indicative of a close relationship.
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In 1871 the description of nephew and niece, not literal, but one is by marriage.
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William Tell Nelthropp married first Mary Ann King 13 April 1825 St Saviour Southwark, they had a son George bap 10 September 1826 at St. Saviour he died age 4 1829 of Higgins Lane buried St Nicholas Olave London.
I have not found the death of his wife.
William Tell Nelthropp widow married Jane Hobbs spinster 7 August 1836 at St Leonard's Shoreditch
children
William Tell Nelthropp born 14 July 1837 bap 4 August 1837- died 1907
George Matthew born 15 January 1839 bap 1 January 1840 - died 2 January 1902
Apologize, going off topic just trying to see how they could be related
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There is a possibility here for William in 1861 344 /83/30
Newington
In the household of Mary L Cookson
William Ross, lodger, unmarried, Engineer born Scotland.
As William is described as a cousin in the Noble household and both John Noble and William Roass show Edinburgh as their birthplace, it seems likely that the relationship is to Lydia rather than William Nelthropp.
There is a death in Greenwich (living in that district in 1871 census)
1871 December quarter, Greenwich
William Ross 59 yrs
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Probate record
18th January 1872
Briefly …
The will of William Ross, late of 1 Alpha Road, Deptford , Gentleman , died 21st December 1871 was proved by:
John McKinlay, 22, Albert Square, Clapham Road
William Ross, 1 Chatham Road, Grosvenor Street, Camberwell, Printer, the Nephew
And William Tell Nelthropp , 1 Alpha Road
Effects under £5000.
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hi all,
some info I already had. Some not. Thank you all.
However, it's still not clear what the relationship between William Ross and William Tell Nelthropp and Lydia Julia Noble is. :'(
DMM
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I would think, as I have written earlier that it is the Noble/Ross connection.
You have uncle and cousin in censuses.
You have the will which might help.
As you already had some of this information, did you come to any similar conclusions?
The nephew William Ross also gives some clues when you trace him back.
There are possible Ross connections around and you could try Scotland’s People to see if there are records there.
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Probate record
18th January 1872
Briefly …
The will of William Ross, late of 1 Alpha Road, Deptford , Gentleman , died 21st December 1871 was proved by:
John McKinlay, 22, Albert Square, Clapham Road
William Ross, 1 Chatham Road, Grosvenor Street, Camberwell, Printer, the Nephew
And William Tell Nelthropp , 1 Alpha Road
Effects under £5000.
Heywood,
I think you're right about the 1861 census.
Where can I find the full probate record ? I don't have a subscription to Ancestryor FindMyPast.
I live in the Netherlands so I can't visit any record office.
DMM
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I tried to do it (and did) via this but it was a bit of a fiddle. So I do hope you are more successful (quicker). ;)
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
You have the dates which you can enter on advanced search.
This is the page which I hope will work for you.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Ross&yearOfDeath=1872&page=7#calendar
It would be pg 203 for 1872 which doesn’t show on the right page ::) but pages 202 and 204 do show so it is between them. :)