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Title: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: clalouha on Sunday 19 September 21 15:17 BST (UK)
My annoying Great Grandfather is called Alfred smith, I know his exact date of birth but I don't know where or where he died only that he is alive in 1913 and probably dead by 1918-  I don't know where in the UK he died because he was a musical hall artist and moved around all the time, my question is  can you locate a death record somehow by the fact that I do know his exact date of birth?
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: GR2 on Sunday 19 September 21 15:43 BST (UK)
I have come across an article (5th January 1914) about the death of the performer Mark Melford which says his real name was Smith. It refers to his brother, the late Austin Melford (real name Alfred Smith). Is this the person you are looking for?
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Sunday 19 September 21 15:44 BST (UK)
Can't use an exact birthdate for this time frame, it was many , many years after this that England & Wales incorporated actual dates of birth into death registrations (and even then it was only to be the best knowledge of whoever the informant was).

However, if you believe he died in England or Wales then try FreeBMD.
Search deaths

Surname Smith
First name Alfred
date range 1913 -1918 and don't specify either a county or a district

Before you press search , put a range in the Death Age/DoB box. You can try the exact year of his birth but its better to do a range with a year either side, so if he'd been born in 1880 type in

 @1879-1881

now hit search

27 hits for those search terms, and it will take a lot of work to discount them one by one, by trying for cemetery records, old newspapers etc etc.

and if he died in Scotland or Ireland then you'd have to also search their records.

Boo


Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Sunday 19 September 21 15:53 BST (UK)
I have come across an article (5th January 1914) about the death of the performer Mark Melford which says his real name was Smith. It refers to his brother, the late Austin Melford (real name Alfred Smith). Is this the person you are looking for?

The Stage, 30 Jan 1908 has a report of the death and funeral of Austin Melford (real name Alfred Smith) brother of Mark Melford. Its a long article but says he was 53, had been born at Fareham, Hampshire and spent most of his childhood in Portsmouth. He died 23 Jan 1908

Hopefully that will help the OP to either confirm or discount this man.


Boo

Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Sunday 19 September 21 16:00 BST (UK)
You could also try a probate calendar search, year by year from when you last have a record that says he was alive. IF he had something to leave -  then a probate calendar entry most probably give a date and place of death.

Calendars can be searched
 free online
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Boo
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: GR2 on Sunday 19 September 21 16:04 BST (UK)
A 1936 article in the Portsmouth Evening News mentions Jack Melford and says he is the son of Austin Melford (= Alfred Smith) and his wife, whose stage name is Alice Gambler.
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Girl Guide on Monday 20 September 21 11:47 BST (UK)
I suspect this is his death record:-

Deaths Mar 1908
SMITH    Alfred    53    Brentford    3a   71

There is a probate record as follows:-

SMITH Alfred of 15 Sandycombe Road, Twickenham, Middlesex died 23rd January 1908, Probate London 9th May to Alice Smith widow, Effects 2921 14s 8d
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 20 September 21 11:53 BST (UK)
OP says he was definitely still alive in 1913
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Girl Guide on Monday 20 September 21 11:55 BST (UK)
There appears to be 48 newspaper articles regarding the death of Austin Melford all of which are in January 1908.

You can find them on either Find My Past or probably the British Newspaper Archives.

The Stage of 30th January 1908 has mention of the funeral as well as other information.  This particular article takes up about a column and one third of the paper.  Page 21.

Sorry Tickettyboo - I see that you have aleady mentioned the above article.  ::)
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Girl Guide on Monday 20 September 21 12:11 BST (UK)
I've found a burial record which says:-

Deceased name   Mr Alfred Smith
Date of Burial   25/01/1908
Gender   Male
Age   53 Years
Date of death   
Location   Twickenham Cemetery
Section   E
Grave   418 front row
Deceased address   15 Sandycombre Road;Twickenham
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Monday 20 September 21 13:37 BST (UK)
OP says he was definitely still alive in 1913

Yes, which is why I posted about the death/ funeral in 1908 of the man whose stage name was Austin Melford.

Until / unless clalouha comes back and gives us more info, including what shows he was still alive in 1913 we can only straw clutch at 'possibles'.

Boo
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 20 September 21 14:09 BST (UK)
Hi, I am looking for Alfred Smith who was a music hall artist in Birmingham, I don't know where or when he was born only that he had died by 1936. He was married to Abbie Wright though I can't find the marriage certificate, they had two children one is my granddad who was Wallace Headley Smith born 1913 and who died in 1940 aged 27, he had a brother also called Alfred  who was a few years younger , who married a woman named Rose in Birmingham I think?

SMITH, WALLACE  HEADLEY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: WRIGHT 
GRO Reference: 1913  J Quarter in BOLTON  Volume 08C  Page 676

Well, a tree on ancestry says Alfred died in hospital in Birmingham, 21 March 1919.
Informant on cert Abbie Smith.

They link to this death
SMITH, ALFRED  GEORGE     
Age at Death (in years): 51 
GRO Reference: 1919  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 487 
Title: Re: Death record using date of birth?
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 20 September 21 14:12 BST (UK)
Here they are in the 1911 census free index (this is not on the tree!)
In a boarding house in Smethwick. Head is Mable Sanders.
Abbie Smith 24
Alfred Smith 42
Alfred Smith 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7B6-MG4