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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Jopeg on Sunday 19 September 21 21:15 BST (UK)
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Not my first post about my Hyslop ancestors, they are tricky to sort out!
I have an Andrew Hyslop on a couple of censuses but I can’t find a death for him, so any suggestions are welcome.
He is living with his brother James in 1841 in Balmaghie.
James Hyslop Age 55
Andrew Hyslop Age 50
Jean Hyslop Age 45
Agnes Hyslop Age 25
James Hyslop Age 20
Andrew Hyslop Age 15
Mary Hyslop Age 12
In 1861 he is living with niece Agnes in Lochrutton.
Andrew Hyslop Age 75
Agnes Hume Age 50
William Hume Age 40
Mary Hume Age 9
John Hume Age 6
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Hi Jopeg
Do you know the maiden name of Andrew or James's mother? The SP index shows for example deaths for an Andrew (age +/- 1886) with mother's maiden names of:
Black in Dalbeattie
Drachel in Nenthorn
Palmer in Canonbie
Monica
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Re a mother with a maiden name of Black, there is a Janet Black mentioned here www.findagrave.com/memorial/143252302/jane-hyslop
Is this the birth of the niece Agnes with whom Andrew was living with in 1861? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMT-5HC
Monica
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Re the Andrew Hyslop who died at Canonbie in 1886, there. is a M.I. relating to him at Canonbie
churchyard. It gives his death as 19 Aug 1866 age 78 yrs. His wife Margaret Elliot died 25 Oct 1838 age 47 yrs. Also his daughter Isabella who died 4 June 1842 age 11 yrs. Both Andrew and Margaret died at Hollows.
Matt
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I had ruled out the Canonbie one.
The maiden name Black has him married to a Jane Gracie, it is clearly not a first marriage for her as her stepdaughter Helen witnesses the death certificate, I am trying to find this one on the censuses.
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What were the parents' names for the 'Black' death?
Added: the James Hyslop death in 1864 connects to the family of Andrew Hyslop and Janet Black. This James, who I think you have already looked at, was married to Margaret Shaw.
Monica
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Andrew Hyslop and Jane Black
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I have just added to my post above.
So, the death of James who shows with Andrew in 1841 looks to also be elusive. Wonder if he (James) died pre 1855?
Have you found his wife Jane Dickson in 1851?
Monica
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Yes I have Jane Dickson/Hyslop in 1851 1861 and I have her death certificate.
No clues there.
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There is a death for a James Hyslop in 1844 but it doesn’t tell me anything.
Unless there is a gravestone.
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Was James Hyslop still alive in 1851 & 1861 or was Jane widowed by then?
Added: Have you found Andrew in 1851?
Monica
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Jane was widowed by 1851.
I have a maybe for Andrew in 1851.
He has acquired a wife Mary who has a son James Walker.
There is also an Agnes Hume working for them, but she isn’t the niece mentioned previously.
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Yes, did see that entry for a possible for Andrew. Just not sure that he would go from farmer of 70 acres in 1851 to agricultural labourer by 1861...but a maybe for sure.
Just looking at the names of the children of James and wife Jane Dickson for any clues for grandparents' names. I am sure you have this but just for reference here. From SP there is the following and those with c. are approx. birth years:
1810 - Agnes
1812 - Margaret - Jane's mother's name
c.1814 - James
1816 - John
1819 - Martha
1821 - Andrew Blyth
1825 - David - Jane's father's name
1828 - Martha Bigham Laurie
1832 - Jean Riddick
There may be others who do not show on this index.
Monica
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They were my thoughts about the farm, one of the reasons it is a maybe.
There are too many Andrew Hyslops for the number of deaths, at least I think there are.
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He has acquired a wife Mary who has a son James Walker.
Just to note that Andrew is showing as a widower in his 1861 census entry at his niece's household. Just for consideration, there is a marriage for an Andrew to a Martha Dickson in 1814 in Urr www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTRW-MXG
My Heritage has:
Martha Hyslop (born Dickson), 1792 - 1818
Martha Hyslop (born Dickson) was born on month day 1792, at birth place .
Martha married Andrew Hyslop on month day 1814, at age 22.
Andrew was born Circa 1792.
They had 2 daughters: Agnes Hyslop and one other child .
Martha passed away on month day 1818, at death place .
I don't have a subs and sources not shown.
Monica
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Martha is a name that carried through the line of James H and wife Jane Dickson. Wondering whether brothers could have married sisters?
Possible birth for a Martha with same parents as Jane www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBYR-5RH
The birth year does not agree with the age quoted on My Heritage. Without sources, it is always a guess.
Monica
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Thanks Monica
I’m not ignoring you, I am trying to sort everyone out.
The theory seems to be that the Andrew who married Martha Dickson went on to marry Amelia McQuae.
I found Amelia’s death, her mother was called… Agnes Hume!
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It is so hard in these communities with the concentration of similar names ::) There seems to be very little in the OPRs for the names I have been looking at. Maybe the families belonged non presbyterian chapels.
There are a few references to the URR UNITED ASSOCIATE for baptism (Andrew H father James in 1825 for example).
Monica
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I think I have found him!
Died in Kirkpatrick Durham, death witnessed by nephew William Hume.
He was married to Martha Dickson (well done) and also a Mary Ferguson.
Parents John Hyslop and Agnes Dempster.
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Yeah! Well done ;)
Suggest you keep an open mind on name of his father (I would have thought James is also a possibility for father's name). Informants to deaths as we know can make mistakes.
Monica
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I will bear that in mind with the name.
Although I did see births for Andrew and James with John as father, but no mother’s name given.
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Take that back! John it is for father's name. Looking back I came across this death yesterday (by co incidence, on the same page of the register as the death of James H, son of Andrew H and Janet Black):
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Also, potentially a sister Ann. There is a death for a 74 yr old Ann Hyslop in 1870, mother's mm Dempster in Kirkconnel. The other surname is Rigg. I can see births at the right time and areas for an Ann Hyslop and a Charles Rigg. A possibility.
Monica
Added: In summary, this is what showing for this Ann Hyslop www.ancestry.co.uk/genealogy/records/ann-hyslop-24-10x4hk
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This looks like Andrew's second marriage in 1845 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTRQ-Z4T That 1851 census entry you found for an Andrew, with a stepson Walker could have been the right one for Andrew?
Monica
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Yes that looks like a possibility.
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Thanks for your help with this, it has been really good to have someone else eliminate all the possibilities.
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My pleasure. Happy to help a bit :)
Monica
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Just an update for anyone else researching this line.
Ann Hyslop/Rigg is actually the daughter of William Hyslop and Janet Dempster.
Another case of two brothers marrying two sisters?