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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: chempat on Friday 24 September 21 14:27 BST (UK)
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In the 1911 census there is an Edward Steele and wife Caroline, married 16 years, 1 child claimed, and a grandson with them William Henry Richardson from Bermuda age 3. Thus the grandson could belong to either of them, or neither, from a previous marriage.
The nearest marriage, by location, for them that I can see would be in Brighton in 1894 For Edward Steele to Caroline Piper.
Edward and wife both age 48, she is from Gosport he is from Tin Head, Wilts, they are living at 44 Marylebone Street, Southsea.
There is no obvious birth for an Edward Steele in Westbury in around 1863
I can see a baptism for an Edwin Steele in 1869 in TinHead/Edington, parents William and Mary Ann (Carr). They are together in 1871 and 1881, and he is called Edward on censuses.
There is a death for an Edwin Steele in Westbury in 1934 age 64, and a burial at Tinhead.
The 'grandson', William Henry Richardson from Bermuda, has parents William Henry Richardson and Ida Maud Kyme, from various records. Both Ida and William were born in the 1870's, so they could not be the children of either of the Steele's if that baptism is him.
Ida and William, snr., have very complicated lives/marriages/not marriages, so please ignore them if possible.
I think we have to assume that the grandson is not related, but I wanted to give a little background.
I can see Caroline Steele on her own in 1901, married.
Can anyone find Edwin/Edward Steele on 1891 and 1901 censuses? As he is a dockyard labourer by 1911 I do wonder if he is abroad on a boat and misses the censuses, or is military, but I am trying to sort out a lot of loose ends. Probably they are just looking after the 'grandson' and the enumerator (who appears to have filled in that entry) has made an assumption that is not valid.
Thank-you,
Pat
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Could this be William Henry's birth registration :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68K6-KT8D
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Yes, that is his birth. The actual image is on Ancestry, also
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60931/images/45450_1831101456_0128-00012?pId=6335
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Can anyone find Edwin/Edward Steele on 1891 and 1901 censuses?
No luck with that but would it help any to find out who the 1 child living was :-\
Caroline is 40 in 1901 and appears on her own so either a later baby or elsewhere.
As a Wiltshire lass TinHead is a new one on me!
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I did wonder whether the 1 child that they refer to is actually William Henry Richardson.
They make a complete mess of filling in the census form, don't they?
I had to look up Tinhead, but only live in Wiltshire almost Hampshire, so could make my excuses.
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Caroline Piper married Alfred Taylor, Edward Steele married Ellen Lewery.
In 1901 Caroline and Alfred are living with William Piper in Brighton
RG13/ 924
Folio 149
Page 18
Very pregnant when she married :-\
TAYLOR, WINIFRED LILIAN PIPER mmn PIPER
GRO Reference: 1894 Dec Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 228
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Possible 1891 for Edward?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q246-MN2
Colin
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OK, thanks for that.
Perhaps they married in Bermuda? That's a half-joke.
And to ColC:
That looks interesting.
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Ancestry has his birthplace as Lindhead.
Good. Thank-you indeed, Colin.
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Edward & Ellen in 1901
RG13; Piece: 910; Folio: 7; Page: 6
With then is a Lilian Lewry, possible birth
LEWRY, LILY KENSETT
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in CUCKFIELD Volume 02B Page 157
John
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If he is still in the RMLI at Walmer in 1901 then you won't find him as Walmer is 'missing'.
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Edward & Ellen in 1901
RG13; Piece: 910; Folio: 7; Page: 6
With then is a Lilian Lewry, possible birth
LEWRY, LILY KENSETT
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in CUCKFIELD Volume 02B Page 157
John
They are possibly in Hurstpierpoint, Sussex in 1911
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There is a page of info. at the National Archives AND it is still free to download.
Poor quality page, and no mention of family, but definitely him as the Marylebone Street address is listed.
in 1901 I think he was on the 'Gladiator.'
Possibly met William Henry Richardson's father on a ship, or at Portsmouth, and was just temporarily looking after him.
If he and Caroline had been married for 16 years, he was either at Portsmouth or 'Inflexible' or 'Victory' at the time.
Thanks for the help.