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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: jibba on Saturday 02 October 21 21:09 BST (UK)
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Can someone please confirm the place of birth in the top row of this image.
Ancestry have it transcribed as Warmond, Suffolk. However it looks more like Starmond but I cannot link it to a current day place in Suffolk.
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Does the same person appear on a later census to check birthplace?
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I've checked the newspapers and I can't find mention of either a Warmond in Suffolk or a Starmond.
Of course, it is possible that one of these exists and was just never mentioned, but it seems unlikely.
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The above image was taken from the 1871 for William Sillett, c.1824
The only other census I have found him in is the 1861 census, where is he is listed as William Sletty c.1822. He's place of birth for that census is listed as Witford, Suffolk which is another place I cannot seem to locate.
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I've been looking through this but can't see anything like it listed
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Where/
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The newspapers have a few mentions of a Witford Lodge, near Melton in Suffolk.
Also there is a mention of a Witford in Suffolk, petitioning against the Corn Laws in 1827.
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Also a mention of a Witford Bridge near Melton.
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Is it possible that something has gone amiss with the writing of Bury St Edmunds?
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1891 down as William Tillett has birthplace Whitton Suffolk.
Sorry that might be a different chap :-[
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Yes, I did notice a Whitton Suffolk chap in the 1871 census who maybe the same one you found Milliepede. I haven’t had any luck finding “Warmond/Starmond”. :-\
The other Ws on the 1871 census and look more like Ms so I don’t think the place name starts a W.
Added: I had a look through all Suffolk place names in Genuki and couldn’t see any that needled in “mond”. As your William was in Kent in 1871 I wonder if there was an error with interpretation of the place name if the enumerator was not familiar with Suffolk. :-\
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There is a William Sillett in the 1861 census with widowed Sarah Sparrow as head of household.
His wife is Elizabeth aged 44 b Bramford. He is 35 so born c1826. Ages differ, but older wife may tally with the William in the 1871 census.
Do you know much about the family? Do you recognise the surname Sparrow? Sarah is a “house proprietor” so maybe a landlady unrelated to the Silletts. No Sillett children are present though.
This William is born Whitton though Ancestry say it is “Potton”.
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Could it be Sharmond.
Carol
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I initialy thought the William Sillet from Whitton was the same man. However the 1851 and 1861 entries conflict with the below information.
This is what I have regarding the William Sillett's from "Witford/Warmond" family
"Spouse" - Don't believe they married
Elizabeth Glover c.1822 Market Downham, Norfolk
Children
1848 - Mary Ann Sillett - Market Downham, Norfolk
1850 - Keziah Sillett - Huntingdonshire - Died 1851
1852 - George Sillett - "Spring Garden", Lincolnshire
1854 - Keziah Sillett - East Grinstead, Sussex
1857 - William Sillet - Borden, Kent
Keziah married into the Tassell family with whom I have DNA matches. Cross referencing them with other common matches makes me believe they are descended from, or related to, William Sillett (c.1759) and Jemima Sheldrake (1760) of Stonham Aspal. Their descendants spread out in the local area including Whitton. The above William Sillett, c.1825 from Whitton, is their grandson.
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It looks a lot like Harmond Suffolk. There is a Hammond Suffolk near Bury St Edmonds . Orkrad
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@OP:
Is there another capital "H" on that page?
The "N" on Norfolk is certainly a bit individual, so maybe it is indeed an H...
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Here are two capital H's in the same hand, and also an exampla of how he wrote St.
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Here are two capital H's in the same hand, and also an exampla of how he wrote St.
Thanks for that, JenB.
OK, so it is not an "H"... :-\
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Children
1848 - Mary Ann Sillett - Market Downham, Norfolk
1850 - Keziah Sillett - Huntingdonshire - Died 1851
1852 - George Sillett - "Spring Garden", Lincolnshire
1854 - Keziah Sillett - East Grinstead, Sussex
1857 - William Sillet - Borden, Kent
I think this is the family in Lincolnshire in 1851. Although the ages are completely wrong, the birthplaces are very coincidental :-\
HO 107/ 2103/285/5
New Street, Manthorpe cum Little Gonerby
William Siller, head, m, 38, laborer, Suffolk Crowful
Elizabeth do, wife, m, 35, Norfolk, Market Downham
Sophia do, dau, unm, 7, Essex ? Wiford
Mary Ann do, dau, unm, 2, Norfolk, Market Downham
Kasiah do, son, unm, 1, Huntingdon
Burial, Keziah Sillett of Little Gonerby, 28th April 1851* at St Wulfram's Grantham.
*Died only a few weeks after the census was taken.
Possibly William's birthplace is Crowfield? near to Crowfield are Little Stonham and Stonham Aspal. Might these be 'Starmond' in 1871? https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Crowfield
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Re; the Starmond or Wormond...
A slow process but maps.nls.uk website has historical maps and if you have an area that is a focus for the family and a year range you're after e.g. between 1850 and 1890, you can find detailed maps of the area and peruse the map (very slow process) to find places. sometimes they are spelled slightly differently to the documents you may have. i have managed to find a few tiny locations in Scotland by this method.
All the best!
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Possibly William's birthplace is Crowfield? near to Crowfield are Little Stonham and Stonham Aspal. Might these be 'Starmond' in 1871? https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Crowfield
Not far away from these two places is Stowupland. Could this be pronounced Starmond ??
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1891 down as William Tillett has birthplace Whitton Suffolk.
Sorry that might be a different chap :-[
A loose cannon
There is Sharman Ave, Watton Thetford not far from the Suffolk border