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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: haney on Saturday 02 October 21 21:56 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
I am trying to find more information on the above couple who were married in 1850 at The Parish Church St. George Middlesex (hope that is correct). Ellen is the daughter of Elijah BOUGHTON who was a Cutler. (Sister in Law to the George SMITH I received help with).
From research yesterday this couple seem to have had a daughter by the name of HAPPY Honor PEACOCK 1854-1839 (aka Appie Peacook etc).
Happy was supposed to have been born in Bendigo/Kangaroo Flat in Victoria (Australia) on FEB, 11 1854 I am trying to follow up on that now BUT there is nothing on the Victorian BDM to suggest any births to Ellen and George PEACOCK in Victoria, no deaths of Ellen or George either.
Happy was married in 1875 to Amanti CODIGA (CODRIGA) in Victoria. I don't have that marriage certificate as yet! I was hoping that some of the other researchers from the trees I saw may have put the marriage certificate in their Gallery/Documents !
So I am trying to find out if Ellen S. and George PEACOCK actually came to Australia, I could not find any evidence of that so far. This is a strange one. LOL. Thanks for any help. Kind regards Dianna
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Yes that is a strange one! No Happy Peacocks on Free BMD index.
I wonder if her parents were a different George & Ellen :-\ although the couple that married in 1850 do seem to disappear after that.
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Death for Appie names her father as George Walter Peacock so a middle name to go on there.
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There's an Ellen Sarah Peacock marrying in Victoria 1854 to John Wells. And a daughter Mary born.
There was a George Peacock death in London 1853 age 25.
So speculating he died and she came out to Australia and remarried? Maybe Appie was born en route!
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Hi Milliepede
Thank you for that information. Let me follow up on that! I did notice an Ellen BOUGHTON on the immigration records, could have been using her single name! I will check now on the Vic BDM. Could lead somewhere. Kindest regards Dianna
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After some digging around today, these are "possible" if George PEACOCK died OR Ellen Sarah left him??? I'm surprised they are not on the 1851 Census though. Will see what else turns up.
I have found the marriage record in Victoria for ELLEN SARAH PEACOCK marrying JOHN WELLS in Victoria in 1854!
Did Happy Honor have any siblings? Possibly these two Wells children!
1857 MARY WELLS born In Sandhurst Mother ELLEN SARAH PEACOCK Father JOHN.
1864 Mary WELLS died aged 6 in Sandhurst Mother ELLEN BOWDEN Father JOHN.
1859 JOHN HENRY WELLS born MOTHER ELLEN SARAH BOWDEN Father John WELLS. Looks like place of birth is Charcoal on Vic BDM
1899 JOHN WELLS dies in K FLAT aged 40 Mothers maiden name BOUGHTON.
That is as far as I have been able to get. The only thing I guess I can do is perhaps purchase the birth certificate of Mary Well 1857, that may have Happy on there? Or some other details on Ellen Sarah BOUGHTON/PEACOCK/WELLS. I have not found a death for Ellen as yet!
There is possibly a death for JOHN WELLS in Gulgong NSW. Without some certificates I won’t be able to link it all up though. Will just have to wait and see if perhaps other researchers have the relevant certificates OR some other information can be located.
No death found in Victoria for Ellen S. WELLS (or variant spellings). Nothing so far in Trove in family notices. Kindest regards Dianna
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Yes of course the 1851 census, I neglected to search on that but will do so.
Does it say she was a widow when she married John Wells or is that information not given?
(not familiar with Australian records)
There's a Sarah Ellen Wells death in 1885 Ballina NSW.
Could take a chance on the death for George Peacock to see if occupation matches - although I can't read it clearly on the marriage - and if Ellen was the informant.
Will look some more first.
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Ellen S Broughton age 26 arrived Port Phillip Bay Australia 5 Jul 1850.
Hard to read but ship name Culloden and it looks like she was from Islington.
Found a George Peacock engine driver in Battersea 1851 age 23 so he is likely the one that died in 1853.
Described as nephew and there is a Sarah Peacock 20 described a niece.
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Sue
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George peacock, occupation is mariner on marriage register.
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Ah mariner well done. That might be significant in tracking him down.
Did I see his father was a baker? I did find a Peacock baker on census somewhere. Will go find it again in case there is a link.
Here it is in Lambeth 1851
George Peacock head 28 baker born Lambeth
so that can't be the father age 28.
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Ellen S Broughton age 26 arrived Port Phillip Bay Australia 5 Jul 1850.
I think there is a problem with this sighting in 1850.
Looking at the original, it seems to read-
Ellen is 24 years, born Islington.
Her calling, as I read it, is a nursing governess.
Going to the employment of A. J. HE?? Esq. of Melbourne.
On her marriage certificate to George PEACOCK, your Ellen made her mark (X)
So not likely to be a governess.
Sue
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Hi
I have checked the pioneer index for the CODRIGA/PEACOCK marriage and the birthplace for Happy PEACOCK does state Bendigo.
This would be the information she gave to the clergy and I would say correct to the best of her belief.
Amanti born Switzerland.
Sue
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Hi Sue thanks for that. She may have either "thought" she was born in Bendigo as you say to the best of her ability, her mum may have not been alive to ask perhaps! Just a thought, maybe her birth has not been registered or under some name that can not be discovered (as yet).
I was thinking of buying the birth certificate of MARY WELLS, just to see if HAPPY is mentioned or whatever else may be ascertained from that record! I don't think she is the Ellen BROUGHTON as it's spelt who arrived in 1850, doesn't quite add up I don't think. It's a strange one. Many thanks Dianna
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I was thinking of buying the birth certificate of MARY WELLS, just to see if HAPPY is mentioned or whatever else may be ascertained from that record! I don't think she is the Ellen BROUGHTON as it's spelt who arrived in 1850, doesn't quite add up I don't think. It's a strange one. Many thanks Dianna
It is hard to know which certificate of those connected to Ellen (nee BOUGHTON) would be the best to download.
Civil registration in Victoria began in the early part of 1853.
The marriage to WELLS was in 1854, a time when glitches in the system were still frequent.
However, if thoroughly and accurately completed, the bride will have furnished details which will help you to confirm she is the right person together with her marital status, her parents names, place of birth etc. Also the origins of John WELLS.
One must assume the the marriage was after Happy's February birthday (if it's accurate in the information you have) otherwise Happy's surname would be WELLS not PEACOCK. She remained surnamed PEACOCK to her marriage, so was not 'claimed' or adopted by John WELLS. Unlikely to be any mention of HAPPY on the marriage certificate.
The birth of Mary WELLS in 1857 which is the other certificate you are considering, will not hold information about the parents of John and Ellen WELLS (nee BOUGHTON ) but it may mention HAPPY though she is clearly not previous issue of this union.
I found some Bendigo property rates information which possibly applies to John and Ellen.I will search it out again
I do note, if it is of interest, that there is currently a discount on the downloadable certificates from BMD Victoria making the cost $20 ;D
Sue
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Hi Sue and all
I have a little update which I just received about half an hour ago from the Bendigo Family History Team:-
Peacock , Wells and Codiga research to 5 Oct 2021
John WELLS married Ellen Sarah PEACOCK on 10 Feb 1854 at All Saints Bendigo
Church record says he is a widower aged 40 born Scoughton Norfolk England and she is aged 29 born Islington London, a widow of a sailor . Her parents are Elijah Boughton and Sarah Field and she has one child alive.
Baptism record of All Saints Bendigo dated 20 May 1855 has HAPPY HONOR WELLS born 10 Feb 1854 parents John Wells and Ellen (no name stated). This looks like she was born on the same day her parents married.
There is another baptism on 20 May 1855. George Walter Wells born 5 Dec 1851 at ? father John Wells mother Ellen Wells.
Happy Honor PEACOCK of Kangaroo Flat aged 21 Father George Walter Peacock, mother Ellen Boughten married AMANTE CODIGA aged 34 born Switzerland in June 1875 at Kangaroo Flat
One of the witnesses to this marriage is ELLEN SARAH JONES….is this the brides mother ?
There is a john Henry Wells b Vic 16069/1859 Charcoal…this is Charcoal Gully in Kangaroo Flat.
Bendigo Advertiser 18 May 1899 page 2 has a report on his death age 40 “A Fossikers tragic End”
He is a single man living with his mother a widow who was married to William Jones “A coloured man”. It says they are living in very poor conditions. By this time his mother must be in her 70.s at least and I will try to find her in Bendigo hospital or Benevolent asylum.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/9089428
Bendigo Advertiser of 16 Nov 1893 page 3 has article re William Jones founded drowned and on 17 Nov 1893 page3 “Recent Drowning case’ widow Ellen Sarah Jones identifies body.
So that is all really wonderful!! Now I will try and find out what happened to Ellen (wonder why her daughter HAPPY wasn't looking out for her). When you read the newspaper report on her son it is very sad. Wow what a difficult life this woman had. Now I can add this to my family tree. Bless her. A bit more to discover! Don't know what happened to JOHN WELLS but may be more back in England re him! Kindest regards Dianna
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Hi
What great information from the Bendigo Family history people ;D
I wonder how Ellen got to Bendigo?
Also who was the father of Happy in truth?
John WELLS claims her at baptism , but she continues to use the name PEACOCK ???
Lots of interesting questions in this story.
Sue
PS. Was John WELLS a miner on the marriage certificate?
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Oh fantastic progress well done!
"widow of a sailor" fits nicely. I was wondering if she could have been on a ship with George doing his occupation rather than a passenger list if you know what I mean.
I looked for deaths at sea to no avail. Maybe there are mariner records for him or newspaper reports?
Worth looking in newspapers if they go back that far.
Now the name Jones rings a bell, think there was a marriage to a Jones but I discounted it as thought she was married to Wells. Will see if can find it again.
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There's an Ellen Sarah Jones living Kangaroo Flat Bendigo on the 1903 1906 electoral register but appreciate Jones is a common name.
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I would say the E Roll finding is correct for Ellen JONES (nee BOUGHTON)
Numerous items about her say she lived at Melbourne Rd, Kanga Flat, and that is the address on the roll.
It is not the address of Happy CODIGA who in 1903 was at Emu Greek with one Joseph CODIGA.
Sue
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There is a coroners inquest deposition entry 17 May 1899
John Wells
Melbourne Road
With an Ellen Sarah Jones mentioned as a witness to a shooting.
Buried Kangaroo Flat public cemetery
So was she divorced from John Wells or not actually married to William Jones = confused!
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In reply#15 haney directed us to information-
The John WELLS of the 1899 suicide was Ellen's son.
Ellen was named as the widow of William JONES and his drowning death was in 1893.
I have not seen a marriage to JONES, so common-law wife perhaps.
Maybe John WELLS senior was not definitely deceased, so a marriage was not possible.
Sue
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I feel a bit sad to see that the likely Ellen JONES seems to be buried without others of her family at the Eaglehawk Cemetery,
Date Oct 24th 1910
Location Sect Mon K4
Grave 274
The Victorian Death index shows her birth as 1824 and parents unknown. #14227
The Bendigo Cemetery Deceased search does not allow for search by location, so it is difficult to clearly ascertain whether there are others known to her at that location , or whether it is a public, state-funded burial.
The Cemetery trust would be able to help perhaps.
Sue
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Hello everyone. My goodness thank you for all of the snips of information. I will put it all in a timeline and take it from there. I am including here the inquest of Ellen's son John. Hope that is okay, on page 6 she mentions "3 other son's". Hmmm, Happy not mentioned. I'm not happy with her, not taking care of her mum!
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/40FA2188-F1C0-11E9-AE98-51354DCD9981?image=6
I'm just looking over all of your wonderful replies! If this is Ellen on the 1903/1906 Electoral rolls at least now I know she is not the ELLEN JONES that died in 1901!
Is JOHN WELLS buried in Kangaroo Flat Public Cemetery?? I will have to find a good map to see the distances between Kangaroo Flat and Eaglehawk cemetery (for Ellen's burial) if that is her death in 1910.
I wouldn't imagine that there would be anything in the newspaper for her death, poor thing was alone. Jones was deceased, Son was deceased. Other son's in the Colonies. LOL.
I'm hoping that there maybe a record re the Benevolent society, they seemed to be giving her a "couple of shillings" Anyway this is wonderful, slowly getting there.
It is another mystery to me also why she Ellen BOUGHTON is not on the 1841 Census with her DAD, Elijah. Elijah and son Frederick are together! on the 1841 Frederick ended up an "Architect" interestingly.
Perhaps Ellen was living with other family members OR perhaps in service or working for someone until her marriage to George Peacock. All good. Many thanks Dianna
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John WELLS snr had departed in one way or another by 1868 when Ellen had this child.
5339 / 1868
JONES William Henry
At SANDHURST
Ellen Sarah BOUGHTON
Father William Henry
Happy named a son George Walter. Seems odd she used her father's names though she did not ever know him yet seemed distant from her mother.
Unless the name came from her half-brother of the same given names- George Walter WELLS.
Sue
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HI Sue
Wow another son! Well that will be the "3 Son's" Ellen refers to in the other colonies. She would have been about 44 when the last son was born. Also the guy on the immigration record is Joseph Augustus HENRIQUES, who Ellen apparently worked for 5 months possibly. If that is the same person re Ellen Sarah PEACOCK. What a story this has turned out to be.
Yes now we know John Wells snr has taken off/died/in another State??? c 1867/8!
Many thanks Dianna
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I wonder if the death of a JOHN WELLS in 1866 with no information could be him! 3059/1866! No parents etc aged 58? Supposedly John WELLS in a 40 year old Widower in 1854 when he married Ellen S Peacock.
1863 CHARLES WELLS born
1864 MARY WELLS dies aged 6 in Sandhurst Mother ELLEN BOWDEN Father JOHN.
1866 JOHN WELLS snr dies
1868 William Henry JONES Born???? Hmmm Interesting.
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Just picking up on finding Ellen in 1841 census.
Possible in Islington
William Jackson 55
Sarah Jackson 40
Ellen Boughton 15
John Jackson 10
None of them born in Middlesex. No occupation given for her. Not unusual for a 15 year old to be out of the family home.
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Hi
I have not been able to find an indexed death for one George PEACOCK which would fit with this inquest, 8th Dec. 1853 held at Back Gully (Bendigo)
He was a married man with one child living in a tent. It was in this tent that the inquest was held.
Any thoughts?
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/B68349E6-F1B6-11E9-AE98-6510BF573288?image=3
Sue
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Goodness what an interesting find, makes you wonder doesn't it if he is our man. What a pity it doesn't name his wife and child to clinch it :-\
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No,
Not even his age.
If it is on track....It would help explain the pregnancy approaching its end in December, being at about 7 months, in Bendigo which was not the child of WELLS.
Sue
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HI
Thank you for finding the inquest, interesting isn't it how it seems to fit the timeline so far. It is such a shame that a description wasn't given for George, where born age etc and wife??? did not give any evidence! I had a look at some cemeteries but could not find a burial.
Frustrating when there is no death recorded! Anyway where to go from here?? What more can be discovered re the inquest. I had a look on Trove yesterday but came up with nothing, I thought there would be a little mention of it.
The birth/baptismal record for HAPPY was a bit confusing too!
Another question is WHY is there no immigration records on Ellen and George PEACOCK?? to anywhere in Australia, that may need re investigating perhaps.
It seems (certain!) that the Ellen Boughton married to George Peacock in 1850 is the correct person/people and the immigration of the Ellen Broughton maybe incorrect! That just doesn't fit in really does it! Anyway the search goes on to fill the gap between the marriage in 1850 and possibly Georges death in 1853!
Maybe that is why they cannot be found on the 1851 Census in England because they were either here or on their way here. Just some thoughts. Regards Dianna
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Another question is WHY is there no immigration records on Ellen and George PEACOCK??
I don't know the answer but if he was a mariner could he have arrived some other way than being listed on a passenger list? Still more to discover I think.
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Have we tried looking for the residence at time of marriage address on the 1851 census?
Could be 8? Pell Street
St George in the East
Suspect they won't be there but just to rule it out.
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I think there is a problem with this sighting in 1850.
Looking at the original, it seems to read-
Ellen is 24 years, born Islington.
Her calling, as I read it, is a nursing governess.
Going to the employment of A. J. HE?? Esq. of Melbourne.
On her marriage certificate to George PEACOCK, your Ellen made her mark (X)
So not likely to be a governess.
Sue
I had, in my own mind, ruled out the woman in this arrival .
As noted above, she was literate heading to be a governess
Your Ellen was not having used a cross for her name at marriage etc.
The lack of shipping arrival record is not unusual.
From the early 1850's hundreds of thousands arrived in Victoria from all over the world seeking gold.
Ships were deserted in the harbour as crew joined the passengers flocking to the goldfields.
It is wonderful really that we have the records that were kept and survived, but many did not.
I think it is interesting and possibly note worthy-
Ellen at her marriage to John WELLS described herself to the recording clergy as the widow of a mariner.
In reality, if we were pedantic, and assuming she is the widow of the inquest man, she was actually the widow of a miner. I do not think this is a reason to rule her out as the correct woman, but it possibly just shows a little of her mindset at the time. An occupation holding slightly higher status if you like and quite truthfully, the occupation before he was a miner ;D
Also of interest, she in the inquest of George PEACOCK is noted as having one child. Have we missed one in records?
I believe she was advanced in pregnancy with her second (Happy) and was not in a position to wait for any "decent period" between her husband's death and the first marriage offer presented.
In a tent, one child and another on the way, no income!!
I wonder whether John WELLS brought any children from his previous marriage to his next with Ellen.
Anyhow, all just ideas.
Sue
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There is another baptism on 20 May 1855. George Walter Wells born 5 Dec 1851 at ? father John Wells mother Ellen Wells.
Dianna
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Ah!
It's just clicked for me. ::)
This is the 'one child ' of Ellen PEACOCK mentioned in the inquest by the witness description.
So it looks like George and Ellen PEOCOCK had their first child in 1851, but did not baptise him.
George died of a stomach condition.
When Ellen was marrying John WELLS, they had the little boy and Happy done at the same service- not important it was some years after his birth and John 'claimed ' him in the same way he claimed Happy with the surname WELLS.
Possible??
Sue
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I wonder if the death of a JOHN WELLS in 1866 with no information could be him! 3059/1866! No parents etc aged 58? Supposedly John WELLS in a 40 year old Widower in 1854 when he married Ellen S Peacock.
Sandhurst Spring Creek
Rate Payer -WELLS, John
Year -1864
Owner -THE CROWN, -
Description -House and Land
The rates books may offer a clue here.
1866
Spring Creek of Sandhurst - Gladstone Street
Rate Payer-WELLS, Mrs (Widow) -
Owner - THE CROWN,
Description-House
Spring Creek of Sandhurst -Gladstone Street
Rate Payer - WELLS, Mrs
Year -1867
Owner- THE CROWN,
Description- Land and House
More details for your interest at https://glcrates.ncgrl.vic.gov.au/
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HI Sue that is very interesting to add to the timeline. I just looked at the link and found Ellen Wells paying taxes in 1868, very good. LOL getting there (I think). Will have another look at the link now. Many thanks Dianna
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Hi
At this stage you may need to consider certificate purchases with instant download to confirm as far as possible the information we have gathered.
John WELLS' Death Certificate may have been completed on the information of his wife, Ellen.
Could hold good clues.
I doubt her own DC will have much, she seemed estranged from those who might know her details.
Mary WELLS birth will give details of previous births parents. Could help to clarify.
Anyhow, I think that is where you are now ;D
Sue
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Hi Everyone Thanks for your help with Ellen B. Very much appreciated, the information has been really helpful and hopefully will lead somewhere.
My hope is a DNA match to the Boughton/Smith family (Codiga etc) as this is the "Mystery" branch of my family via my mum Daphne.
Anyway everything you have given me is wonderful, thanks so much and yes some certificates maybe on the list.
Kindest regards Dianna
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It's been really interesting to follow. Do please come back and update us if you discover anything more :)
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Hi Yes will keep you updated absolutely. Regards Dianna
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Yes, An interesting and challenging search! Stay in touch.
It is my belief that both Happy and George Walter were PEACOCK children.
I think George Walter used the surname PEACOCK despite his WELLS baptism and this is probably his death.
15953 / 1933
PEACOCK George
At ECHUCA, Australia
Parents Unknown
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/116487486
He is on the Electoral roll in the region
He is buried at the Echuca Cemetery. No others of that surname are recorded there.
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HI I'm just about to look at Mary Wells birth certificate which I have just ordered. Now that is interesting the George PEACOCK death, I believe as you say that both he and Happy are Peacock children. Many thanks Dianna
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Okay well the birth certificate of MARY WELLS didn't help much. The marriage date is incorrect, not surprised though and there are no previous children listed. Makes sense now when I think of it as this child MARY is the first issue of John Wells and Ellen.
John gave the information for this birth. I wonder if Ellen had given the registrar the details is he would have mentioned Happy and George!
1857 April 12th at Charcoal Gully Mary WELLS 4 months 24 days born to JOHN WELLS Miner aged 47 from Norfolk England married 28th September 1853 at Charcoal Gully district of Bendigo. Mother Ellen Sarah PEACOCK 33 years born London England.
Well at least I know now I don't think there is going to be any record of the other two Peacock kids and I doubt they will be on Ellen's death certificate, you never know though! Moving right along. Regards Dianna