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Title: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: thomo7 on Saturday 09 October 21 05:48 BST (UK)
I was wondering if anyone has a facility where you can search an old town name and then search and mark with drop pins other locations nearby? I'm grasping at straws but a little like a historical google map!

I am not familiar with a lot of geography in the UK and I have family from Durham and Kilsyth and another branch between Argyllshire, Dumbartonshire, Midlothian, Renfrewshire and also Donegal, Ireland.

When following a trail it would be amazingly helpful to be able to check out which towns are nearby and therefore, be more likely to be the relative I'm after.

For example, I'm looking for a birth of James RALSTON somewhere around 1788 (on census records 1841, 51 & 61 his age is NOT consistent at all, parents are William R and Janet Young).
When I search for all Ralstons born between 1770 and 1795 in Scotland, I get 36 references but because I don't know the geographical location of parishes, towns etc, I can't begin to presume which ones may be closer and therefore more likely options.

I have checked out the NLS maps but it's a very slow process, any help would be appreciated :)
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 09 October 21 06:05 BST (UK)
The larger towns and cities are generally still in the same places in as they were centuries ago, though smaller outlying villages have often been swallowed up by the larger cities. You could therefore just use Google maps.

I find NLS maps quite easy to use once you get used to it.

The search can become tricky when records such as births for example, refer to small villages or farmsteads which no longer exist. In instances such as this you can get lucky by searching contemporary maps. Google searches can often help, eg something along the lines of Ö. 1770s map of Scotland Ö..

I find that you often have to flip between a modern map and old maps to find places. There are some maps with overlays though Iím not sure if they extend as far as Scotland. I will see if I can find anything.*

Re your Ralston example, a close location doesnít necessarily mean youíve found the right person - people used to travel far and wide centuries ago - and there are gaps and omissions in records due to a number of factors.  :)

Although you say you are not familiar with the geography of the UK, there is only one way to remedy that.  ;) ;D

If you need help with searching for a specific place, please ask here on rootschat. There is usually someone who is able to narrow down most locations.

*added - and example of a map with overlay of Kilsyth (though Iím not sure which Kilsyth you have ancestors from - there appears to be more than one): https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.04114847529498&lat=55.98068&lon=-4.06601&layers=4&b=1
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 09 October 21 08:18 BST (UK)
Suggestion(s)

https://www.curiousfox.com/

https://www.archiuk.com/archi/archi_maps.htm

https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Gazetteer


Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 09 October 21 09:07 BST (UK)
A simpler solution:
Just use Google Search with place name and county. ;)

It's what I do when faced with a place name I haven't heard of before.
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: thomo7 on Saturday 09 October 21 11:56 BST (UK)
Hi Ruskie, PaulineJ and KGarrad,
Thanks so much for the ideas and information! I'll be checking out all of them!
And was planning a visit to the UK prior to the dratted plague! So will be hoping that in the next few years I'll still get the chance  :)

I have used NLS maps with an overlay for Kilsyth, Stirlingshire but I get a bit lost when I search in 'any' county and get a list of district names I've never heard of.

Also I believe that Kilsyth, Stirlingshire,  prior to 1840 is in another county but not sure about that.

"Re your Ralston example, a close location doesnít necessarily mean youíve found the right person - people used to travel far and wide centuries ago - and there are gaps and omissions in records due to a number of factors.  :)"  (sorry, haven't worked out how to insert your quote here!!)

The family line I am following at the moment are Tailors and Cotton Weavers, I understand that many travelled a specific route to Glasgow from Kilsyth so if anyone has more information about this that would be great too!!

Thanks so much for your help.
Cheers JT

Another question I have is

Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 09 October 21 12:23 BST (UK)
Another thought!

GenUKI often, on it's county pages, has a "Where is it in xxx (County name)".
E.G. the page for Stirlingshire has a "Where is it in Stiringshire?" page.

See: https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/STI
and scroll down to Stirlingshire Towns and Parishes.
Also a link to Kilsyth parish.
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 09 October 21 13:27 BST (UK)
Also I believe that Kilsyth, Stirlingshire,  prior to 1840 is in another county but not sure about that.

Kilsyth was historically part of Stirlingshire.
Since 1995 Kilsyth has been part of North Lanarkshire.

The arms of Cumbernauld and Kilsyth District Council featured an open Bible and the shuttle and miner's lamp. These symbols were taken from the earlier arms of Kilsyth. However the open Bible and the miner's lamp were the only symbols which were carried on to the North Lanarkshire coat of arms.
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 09 October 21 13:41 BST (UK)
There are a number of projects based on the mapping provided by the National Library of Scotland - see https://maps.nls.uk/projects/index.html

The one I thought of when you mentioned old place names was the GB1900 place name project. Its own website (www.gb1900.org) seems not to be working any more, but you can access at least some of the data on a page hosted by NLS - https://geo.nls.uk/maps/gb1900/

Another site which might help is Vision of Britain (https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/), which has a lot of detail on administrative units, boundary changes etc. It also hosts the raw data files from GB1900 - https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/data/#tabgb1900
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 09 October 21 19:59 BST (UK)

 and also Donegal, Ireland.


Shane Wilson's website swilson.info has finding aids for places, civil and ecclesiastical parishes, links to registers of R.C. parishes, maps of registration districts. 
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 09 October 21 20:20 BST (UK)

I am not familiar with a lot of geography in the UK and I have family from Durham

When following a trail it would be amazingly helpful to be able to check out which towns are nearby and therefore, be more likely to be the relative I'm after.


County Durham on GENUKI
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/
Menu of topics including maps, registration districts.
Click "County Durham Towns and Parishes" in centre of page for alphabetical list. Selecting a place shows it on a map e.g. Barnard Castle. Selecting "Nearby churches" brings up a map showing churches and chapels within a chosen radius, colour-coded according to denomination. Clicking on a coloured icon shows its' name. Selecting a church leads to another page with a detailed map.
GENUKI is a volunteer website and coverage of places varies.
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 09 October 21 21:21 BST (UK)
Have you come across these maps? www.scotlandsfamily.com/

From this site you have the following maps:

Map of Scotland
County map www.scotlandsfamily.com/county-map.htm
Parish maps - individual counties with their parishes
Gazetteer

This guide here www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/statutory-registers/parishes-and-registration-districts-by-name.pdf lists all parishes and districts in alphabetical order with the dates during which each was operative. See main page here www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/statutory-registers/registration-districts

Monica

Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 09 October 21 21:28 BST (UK)
To help with Glasgow, you have these two parish maps which cover Glasgow Districts between 1855-74 and 1874-1900:

Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: thomo7 on Sunday 10 October 21 10:49 BST (UK)
Hi all,
Thanks so much everyone. My apologies if the quotes don't show up how they should (i'm still working it out)..

kGarrad,
Another thought!
GenUKI often, on it's county pages, has a "Where is it in xxx (County name)".
E.G. the page for Stirlingshire has a "Where is it in Stiringshire?" page.
See: https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/STI
and scroll down to Stirlingshire Towns and Parishes.
Also a link to Kilsyth parish.
Thanks for these, I've had a look and they look like they'll be really helpful.
Thanks for the clarification on the change in county for Kilsyth, I've been finding that sometimes Im looking at the wrong county so the date will help :) and for the coat of arms info, makes it all a bit more familiar.

Arthurk, I've been using the nls maps but thanks for the heads up on that as I'm still juggling trying to find the maps that work for me. A shame the old place names link isn't working  but I'll follow up the nls link you've passed on.

maidenstone, thanks for the info for Ireland and Durham - I'll have a go at those maps too. Sounds like that one might be good for the broader picture. :)

MonicaL, I've seen reference to the scotlandsfamily website but haven't had a good look yet so that along with the other links will keep me busy for a while :) Thanks too for the link re parishes etc and the maps of Glasgow.

Slowly, slowly, it all becomes clearer.

Cheers, JT




Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 10 October 21 15:07 BST (UK)

 and also Donegal, Ireland.


Shane Wilson's website swilson.info has finding aids for places, civil and ecclesiastical parishes, links to registers of R.C. parishes, maps of registration districts.

https://www.swilson.info/index.php
Looked at contents of this again just now and saw a topic I hadn't noticed before - places in tithe applotment records.

Another source for understanding Irish places is Ireland Reaching Out (aka IrelandXO) website:

"What is a Parish?"
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/news/what-parish

"IrelandXO Insight - What is a Townland?"
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/news/irelandxo-insight-what-townland
This explains why a townland might have more than 1 name. Has a tip for researching placenames.

"Parish names in County Donegal" (IrelandXO Links)
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/visiting/parish-names-county-donegal-irelandxo-links
List of civil parishes + names of main villages, towns or known features connected with each parish which it says will help orientate you. Includes map locations. It's a work in progress.

Ireland Reaching Out - County Donegal
https://irelandxo.com/ireland/donegal

Ireland Reaching Out is for the Irish diaspora. It aims to connect them with the origin parish (civil parish) of their ancestor. It also offers information and advice to descendants planning a visit and may be able to put them in touch with a local volunteer. As you intend to visit in the future, I suggest joining now, either your ancestor's parish, if known, or County Donegal if parish is yet unknown.

A guide to Irish family history is Irish Genealogy Toolkit which has many links to useful sources and frequent updates.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com



 
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 10 October 21 15:35 BST (UK)
More sources for Ireland.

Irish Geneaography website.
https://www.irish-geneaography.com
This is about connecting genealogy to places.
The guide to maps and map resources is under "Ingredients" tab.
Investigate other tabs too. The page on registration districts recommends Shane Wilson's site.
 
Irish Civil Registration Districts in county order on Irish Genealogy Toolkit.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/ireland-civil-registration.html

"Registration Districts Ireland: An alphabetical list of Registration Districts of Ireland with details of Counties, Sub-Districts and adjacent Districts" by Michael J. Thompson. (pdf) Includes 2 maps, 1 counties; 2 registration districts 1880.

 
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: thomo7 on Monday 11 October 21 11:17 BST (UK)
Maidenstone,
Thanks again. I'll check into those shortly! I think I'll be busy with all these sites for a while. Fun, fun, fun! :)
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: cuffie81 on Monday 11 October 21 12:19 BST (UK)
As for pinning locations on a map, the easiest option is probably Google Maps, which allows users to create custom maps, adding points, shapes and routes.

How to Create a Custom Map in Google Maps
https://www.howtogeek.com/664890/how-to-create-a-custom-map-in-google-maps/
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 11 October 21 13:33 BST (UK)
As for pinning locations on a map, the easiest option is probably Google Maps, which allows users to create custom maps, adding points, shapes and routes.

How to Create a Custom Map in Google Maps
https://www.howtogeek.com/664890/how-to-create-a-custom-map-in-google-maps/

More fun!
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: Skoosh on Monday 11 October 21 15:02 BST (UK)
Try General Roy's military maps, lowland, 1747-1755.

https://maps.nls.uk/roy/

Bests,
Skoosh.
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: thomo7 on Tuesday 12 October 21 07:11 BST (UK)
Thanks again, I'll have a go at the custom maps, thanks Cuffie81! Last night I tried using the measuring tool on NLS and that was working well. But google will probably work better since I'm not familiar so many counties. (improving all the time).
Ill take a look at the military maps too, thanks Skoosh. I haven't seen those yet!

Cheers all,
JT
Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: melba_schmelba on Tuesday 12 October 21 11:50 BST (UK)
Don't forget Old Maps Online
https://www.oldmapsonline.org/

Also Bing Maps gives free access to Ordnance Survey Maps, but possibly only if you are in the UK
https://www.bing.com/maps/

Title: Re: Old maps of UK with easy access!
Post by: thomo7 on Tuesday 12 October 21 12:19 BST (UK)
Thanks, Melba_Schmelba,
I've seen old maps online so will use them if the nls overlay ones are getting too complicated _ I've worked out that if I use the measuring tools on the overlay and type in the place I'm looking for I can draw lines to a central point, each place can add to the previous image so I end up with a range of places all scattered around Kilsyth as the central point. Thats working for now :) and thanks for the bingmaps hint, if the others aren't serving the purpose I'll give it a go.
Thanks for the ideas!
Cheers, JT