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Title: Samuel Thomas
Post by: RICHIE on Thursday 14 October 21 12:00 BST (UK)
Hi,
Looking for any help with regards to Samuel Thomas baptised 18th September 1796 Llangynllo . Samuel married Elizabeth Davies on the 13 th October 1823 but I don't know where. I believe the family were inn keepers and owned the Red Lion Inn High Street, Presteign . I would like to be able to research this family further back if possible .
Thanks in advance
Richie.
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Talacharn on Thursday 14 October 21 14:09 BST (UK)
This is the only marriage I could find on FamilySearch and FreeBMD, but a different date.
St Beuno Parish Register Llanycil . Merionethshire . 232
04 May 1827 . Samuel Thomas of Llanfawr Elizabeth Davies of Llanycil
Witnesses: Robert Roberts . Catherine Evans
Are you sure of the date?
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: RICHIE on Thursday 14 October 21 14:24 BST (UK)
I believe I found it on familysearch several years ago.
This is the family on the 1841 census
Samuel Thomas   45 Inkeeper
Elizabeth Thomas 35
John Thomas   15 Tailors Appr
Samuel Thomas   15 Bakers Appr
William Thomas   13
George Thomas   8
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 15:13 BST (UK)
This is the only marriage I could find on FamilySearch and FreeBMD, but a different date.
St Beuno Parish Register Llanycil . Merionethshire . 232
04 May 1827 . Samuel Thomas of Llanfawr Elizabeth Davies of Llanycil
Witnesses: Robert Roberts . Catherine Evans
Are you sure of the date?


I've not looked up any records so far but this is just to say that Llanfawr and Llanycil are parishes in the area adjacent to Bala Lake (llyn Tegid),. Both are in Merionethshire.

Gadget
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 15:21 BST (UK)
Hi,
Looking for any help with regards to Samuel Thomas baptised 18th September 1796 Llangynllo .

This is listed as Llangynllo, Radnorshire. Parents were Benjamin and Elizabeth Thomas,
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 15:29 BST (UK)
I believe I found it on familysearch several years ago.
This is the family on the 1841 census
Samuel Thomas   45 Inkeeper
Elizabeth Thomas 35
John Thomas   15 Tailors Appr
Samuel Thomas   15 Bakers Appr
William Thomas   13
George Thomas   8

This is in Presteign, Radnorshire.  Samuel was an Innkeeper and all the family were b. county

Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 15:37 BST (UK)
Samuel also had a brother, Benjamin bpt Llangynllo, Radnorshire on 6 May 1793

I've not found a marriage so far for the parents, Benjamin Thomas and Elizabeth,  in Radnorshire.

Have to got off now. Will look later unless someone else can find them.
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 15:47 BST (UK)
One more before I go

The family are still in Presteigne in 1851. All except Thomas were born there. Thomas was down as born Llangunllo/Llangynllo.

HO107/2492/457/5
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: RICHIE on Thursday 14 October 21 16:14 BST (UK)
Thank you for the help you've gave me so far,
very much appreciated.
Richie
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 17:28 BST (UK)
Probable other siblings for Samuel in addition to Benjuamin, already given

Llangynllo
1 Aug 1784   Beersheba d of Benjamin and Elizabeth
4 March 1787 John s of Benjamin and Elizabeth
25 Jan 1790  Hannah d of Benjamin and Elizabeth
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 17:31 BST (UK)
I thought that I'd mentioned this but obviously not!

The nearest baptism that I can find for Elizabeth is also in Llangunllo (although on 51 is down as b. Presteigne), using her approx age from census is

15 March 1805  Elizabeth to David and Sarah Davies
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 14 October 21 18:36 BST (UK)
Samuel Thomas
Marriage Date:13 Oct 1823  Banns
Marriage Place:Presteigne, Radnorshire
Spouse:Elizabeth Davies

No image on Ancestry
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 18:38 BST (UK)
That's good, Wilcoxon, .

Ancestry was my next  port of call  ;)
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 14 October 21 18:40 BST (UK)
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858

Name:Samuel Thomas
Residence:Presteigne, Radnorshire, Wales
Probate Date:13 Oct 1857
Death c 1857





Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 18:47 BST (UK)
OP wants to go backwards~

So looking for marriages for parents:

 Benjamin Thomas and Elizabeth

and

David Davies and Sarah
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 14 October 21 18:48 BST (UK)
In the will only his son Samuel who is ill and confined to his bed, and daughter Elizabeth,  wife of William Lewis Inland Revenue Officer,  seem to be the only family mentioned.
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: RICHIE on Thursday 14 October 21 19:59 BST (UK)
Thank you for all your help.

I have also found the following information.
Elizabeth Thomas (wife of Samuel Thomas) of the Red Lion Inn, High Street, Presteign died 20th March 1856 aged 51.

Samuel Thomas of the Red Lion Inn, High Street, Presteign died 11th July 1857 aged 62. His son Samuel aged 30 died there on 15th July. They were buried together at Presteign on 17th July.

In his will Samuel Thomas sen. named as executrix his daughter Elizabeth the wife of William Lewis inland revenue officer.

Elizabeth , daughter of Samuel married William Lewis and moved to Alloa Scotland where my grt grandfather Walter Lewis was born. They then moved to Hackney where I believe William died and the family ended up in the workhouse.

I appreciate all the help .

Richie
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 14 October 21 20:50 BST (UK)
Just a thought about Benjamin Thomas and Elizabeth.
There's this marriage in Brampton Bryan, Hereford. This is to the North of Presteigne but not all that far away. It might be possible as it would fit with the birth of the eldest daughter in 1784.

3 October 1783
Benjamin Thomas and Elizabeth Crump.

No image so I can't give any more information.

Elizabeth Crump was bpt 16 Feb 1759 at Brampton Bryan. Parents - Jacob and Elizabeth

This is info that needs more investigation.
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: RICHIE on Friday 15 October 21 11:25 BST (UK)
With regards to William Lewis , I have his birth as July 12 1816 Whitchurch Cheshire although the census states Northwich. I also have his father as Edward Lewis and mother Mary . This was found on FS. I have no further information with regards to this family.
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Friday 15 October 21 12:17 BST (UK)
With regards to William Lewis , I have his birth as July 12 1816 Whitchurch Cheshire although the census states Northwich. I also have his father as Edward Lewis and mother Mary . This was found on FS. I have no further information with regards to this family.

I'm confused - is this related to Samuel Lewis and Elizabeth Davies of Radnorshire or is it a new request?

If it's a new request it's best to put it on the Cheshire board, putting up as much information about them as you have.

Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: RICHIE on Friday 15 October 21 12:20 BST (UK)
No its not a new request. simply added information with regards to William and Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas
Post by: Gadget on Friday 15 October 21 12:29 BST (UK)
I think it might be worth starting a new thread on the Cheshire board. Members with an interest and knowledge of Cheshire resources are not likely to look on this board.