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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: EllyTaylor on Tuesday 19 October 21 07:57 BST (UK)
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Hello all, I'm excited to be here. I live in Sydney, Australia and started tracing my dad's family tree a few years ago and managed to completely botch it. I thought his family was from all over the place in Sussex but recently discovered there's at least 5 generations hailing from Compton near Newbury. Two of them (Charles b. 1813 and his father Elijah b. 1788) were shoemakers according to census records. I'm hoping to please connect with anyone who may have access to more information about the Taylors (which continues with Joseph b. 1741 and William b.?). TIA! :D
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Hello Elly,
Welcome to Rootschat. I'm sure you will find a lot of assistance here.
To Start with Joseph Taylor was bapt. 11-10-1741 Compton (s/o William & Ruth) This couple seem to be having children from as early as 1725 (Ann bapt. 25-4-1725) No other details are recorded but I suspect you may already know about these entries.
It doesn't look as though Wm & Ruth married in Compton.
If you have more info please post and we may be able to go back further.
Alan
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There's a William Taylor occupation cooper of Compton who takes on an apprentice in 1723. Apprentice is John Shaddow of Ashberry whose father is a yeoman also called John.
Might be connected to the William who was married to Ruth.
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marriage in Lambourn on 23 Nov 1721 between a William Taylor and Ruth Brunsdon - a possibility
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Possible child before Ann, William bapt East Hendred 19 Aug 1722 s/o William and Ruth. Maybe William came from Hendred and Ruth from Lambourn or vice versa
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Ruth Brunsdon bapt Lambourn 13 Sep 1698 d/o Thomas and Sarah
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Ruth Taylor (pauper) wife of William buried Lambourn 29 Jun 1789. If she was the same Ruth she would be quite old. Transcript says wife not widow so William still alive
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Burial for a William Taylor in Lambourn on 29 Sep 1797
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Another apprentice record, for a different William Taylor: cordwainer of Compton. William took on an apprentice called Harry Cox in 1798.
So you have a third shoemaker.
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Elijah Taylor's baptism record has him as son of George and Anne bapt Compton 21 Dec 1788. Do you have him as s/o Joseph 1741 ?
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George Taylor married Anne Tarleton at Compton on 26 Oct 1787
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Now I see where Joseph comes in. George was son of Joseph and Sarah bapt 06 Jul 1765
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Thank you for the warm welcome Alan. And thank you so much for all that digging Lizzie, that's very generous of you! I'm thrilled to find another generation of shoemakers and to learn that they were doing well enough to hire an apprentice. William (d.1768) is as far back as I've managed to get so far. I'm wondering if any of the records you've come across have an address for them? In both the census records, it's just recorded as "The Village". I'd love to be able to visit an actual house if at all possible. And there's so much I want to know: did every village have a shoemaker or would people have travelled there to get them done? Would they have had a shopfront or would it have been a backroom business? Can anyone recommend local history books for this area so I can get a sense of their life? I'll be joining the Berkshire Family History Society too.
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Hi Elly,
To give you more details, here are some;
baptisms in Compton, Berks;
19-2-1726 John Taylor s/o Wm. & Ruth
3-1-1730 Thomas " " " "
31-7-1737 Ruth " d/o " "
11-10-1741 Joseph " s/o " "
Burials in Compton;
5-5-1768 William Taylor
29-12-1762 Ruth Tayler
Lambourn;
29-6-1789 Ruth Taylor - pauper w/o William (as listed by Lizzie)
29-9-1797 William Taylor - Infant (see Lizzie's entry)
To add to what Lizzie has suggested re East Hendred;
Baptisms;
8-11-1691 John Taylour s/o John & Elizabeth
6-11-1692 Thomas " " " "
24-10-1693 Elizabeth " d/o " "
22-9-1695 Mary " " " "
2=10-1696 Annamaria " " " "
14-9-1697 Jane " " " "
12-3-1698 Ann " " " " bur; 22-11-1699
22-4-1700 Bemedickin [sic] Taylo " "
18-5-1703 Ann " " " "
9-4-1705 William " s/o " "
I haven't yet found a marriage for John & Elizabeth certainly not in East Hendred.
Alan
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Thank you for all this information Alan. And thanks again Lizzie. It seems our William and Ruth were both buried in Compton in 1768 and 1762 respectively, so I'm still seeking this William's parents if possible.
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A John Taylor married an Elizabeth Mason in West Challow on 6 nov 1676. Earlier than expected given date of bapt of first child in Lambourn, but there could have been earlier one(s) in West Challow.
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Forget that, much to early given that J and E's last child was baptised in 1705, and possibly a Noah in E H in 1710
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Lambourn;
29-6-1789 Ruth Taylor - pauper w/o William (as listed by Lizzie)
29-9-1797 William Taylor - Infant (see Lizzie's entry)
Looks like William Taylor infant was the son of Thomas and Dinah nee Daniels who married in Lambourn on 19 Nov 1792
Ruth is possibly Ruth Ballard who married William Taylor of Faringdon at Ardington in either 1763 or 1764 - two transcriptions agree on date of 23 Nov but differ on year. Can't find any children for this couple to know where they settled after marriage.
I can't see they're related to the Compton Taylors at least not closely.
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To add to what Lizzie has suggested re East Hendred;
Baptisms;
8-11-1691 John Taylour s/o John & Elizabeth
6-11-1692 Thomas " " " "
24-10-1693 Elizabeth " d/o " "
22-9-1695 Mary " " " "
2=10-1696 Annamaria " " " "
14-9-1697 Jane " " " "
12-3-1698 Ann " " " " bur; 22-11-1699
22-4-1700 Bemedickin [sic] Taylo " "
18-5-1703 Ann " " " "
9-4-1705 William " s/o " "
I think 1705 is too young to be the one we're looking for. He would be only 16 at marriage. And if he was the cooper who took on an apprentice in 1723, that is definitely too young.
A boy would typically start an apprenticeship around 14 years of age. they were usually for 7 years, so that takes him to 21. Then he would need a few years to establish himself in business. Some might continue to work as a paid employee for their former master for a few years before setting up in business for themselves, which might necessitate moving to another location if the village where they were wasn't large enough to support two businesses in the same trade.
I can't find an apprenticeship record for William himself, but FindMyPast records only start at 1710.
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And I think Benedict (above) married in Thatcham, had family with wife Elizabeth in Chilton, and both were buried there in 1731. Can't find what happened to their young orphaned children. It's often useful to track other family members, one of John and Elizabeth's children might have married someone who came from the place J and E originated from.
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I think 1705 is too young to be the one we're looking for. He would be only 16 at marriage.
Has a marriage been confirmed? It can't be the Lambourn one, can it, if the 1798 burial there refers to the William & Ruth who were married there.
1705 isn't too young if John bpt 1726 is the first child, but of course we can't be sure of that. More likely they had child/ren already when they moved to Compton.
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The information about apprenticeships and the movement of families is really useful thanks Lizzie, it has me wondering how long they were shoemakers for and if William moved to Compton because the village he was born in couldn't support two of them, as you've suggested. It's also interesting to see people relocate when they get married - I'm guessing it's usually to a larger village with more employment opportunities? I so wish I could go back in time and get to know them better! I am finding that I'm starting to get attached to places instead. Oh my, I'm hoping they were in East Hendred, it's GORgeous! And this is a whole new part of England I haven't yet explored.
So if I have it right I have William b 1722 East Hendred marrying Ruth Brundson at Lambourn 23 Nov 1721 and dying in Compton May 1769. I hope those EH relatives fit somehow, but it's not clear. I'm realising now how much this is both an art and a science!