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Trouble with tracing Constance. Her birth registered Jan/Mar Southwark. She married H G Dann Jul/Sep 1941 Woolwich. The 1947 Bexley Electoral Register shows Constance J Dann and Dorian T Bertram living at 20 Church Road. Constance J Bradford and Dorian T Bertram marry Jul/Sep Westminster. Dorian Trevenen Bertram death is registered 1992 Ashford, Kent. I can find no trace of Connie after 1947.
Can anyone help?
Ed
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Maybe she remarried - what year was she born?
Is Dorian a widower when he died - who was the informant?
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Bit confused over her surnames, is Bradford her birth name?
If so she shouldn't be marrying both men under that surname :-\
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Birth reg March qtr 1922 Southwark - Constance J Bradford
Married Dann 1941 Remarried as Dann in 1947 to Bertram
So unless she divorced Bertram & remarried again - any death should be under Bertram
EdCan - is she on the 1939 register? What was her exact birthdate? Any other surnames shown apart from what's already known?
Have you downloaded Dorian's will?
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I did not see her on 1939 and forgot to check if Dorian had a will
Ed
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"She married HG Dann"
She actually married Ronald HG Dann b 1904. Did they divorce or did he die?
No children appear to have been born to either marriage so what is her connection to your FH?
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Ronald H G Dann remarried 1953 Uxbridge
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What document do you have which shows her middle name as Jessie & her birthplace as Southwark?
There are 2 Constance J Bradford births both in March qtr 1922 but difference counties. The other one was Joyce
How does she connect to your FH?
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There is a newspaper snippet - Central Somerset Gazette
23rd February 1962
Dorian and Constance Bertram … in a list of people - possibly mourners?
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Her parents were George William Bradford and Jessie Chappell who were married 1921 Walworth
Ed
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From Carole's ref to a will, there is this entry on the index
Dorian Trevenen Bertram [Trevenan Bertram]
Death Date: 31 May 1992
Probate Date: 7 Aug 1992
Probate Registry: Brighton
Another index entry for him also includes an additinal middle name of Noble.
Monica
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His father was Ivan Trevenen Noble Bertram 1887-1953
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Well she seems to be alive and around in 1962 so perhaps the will is the best way to go.
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Wrong dates - ignore
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There is a D T Bertram showing up to 1968, and the online A/try cut off, in the British Telephone Directories. Address in later years was Rose Cottage, Charing, Kent.
Doesn't help with Constance's details though.
Monica
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When Constance remarried Bertram she used her maiden name Bradford
Marriages Sep 1947
Bertram Dorian T Bradford Westminster 5c 1093
Bradford Constance J Bertram Westminster 5c 1093
John
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Constance death
BERTRAM, CONSTANCE JESSIE 1921
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2010 in KENT (5641F) Reg 1F004 Entry
I think she was probably born late 1921 with a MQ birth reg in 1922.
John
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That’s good John. :)
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Good find, John!
Monica
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With regard to the 1939 register Constance parents are recorded with what appears to be 2 redacted entries underneath, probably Constance and her sister born 1924.
John
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Think I'm right that Constance left a will?
BERTRAM CONSTANCE JESSIE date of probate 15 February 2011 3474581 date of death 02 March 2010 Grant and will Brighton
John
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Excellent. Thanks John. I think I will order Constance's Will and see if it mentions her sister Iris
Much appreciated
Ed
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EdCan, Constance sister Iris Vera married twice 1st 1948, 2nd 1955. One son born to second marriage in 1957 but mmn recorded as Smith should have been Bradford. This son died 2019. Iris Vera died 2004 so will not appear in Constance will.
John
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BANGS IRIS VERA 16 February 2005 1746198 13 August 2004 Grant and will Ipswich
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Good finds John. :)
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EdCan, Constance sister Iris Vera married twice 1st 1948, 2nd 1955. One son born to second marriage in 1957 but mmn recorded as Smith should have been Bradford. This son died 2019. Iris Vera died 2004 so will not appear in Constance will.
John
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BANGS IRIS VERA 16 February 2005 1746198 13 August 2004 Grant and will Ipswich
Thanks John. Info much appreciated. As it so happens I just read the Will this AM. Constance left everything to "good friends"
Ed