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Title: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 21 October 21 15:59 BST (UK)
Trouble with tracing Constance. Her birth registered Jan/Mar Southwark. She married H G Dann Jul/Sep  1941 Woolwich. The 1947 Bexley Electoral Register shows Constance J Dann and Dorian T Bertram living at 20 Church Road. Constance J Bradford and Dorian T Bertram marry Jul/Sep Westminster. Dorian Trevenen Bertram death is registered 1992 Ashford, Kent. I can find no trace of Connie after 1947.
Can anyone help?

Ed
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 21 October 21 16:21 BST (UK)
Maybe she remarried - what year was she born?

Is Dorian a widower when he died - who was the informant?

Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 21 October 21 16:24 BST (UK)
Bit confused over her surnames, is Bradford her birth name? 

If so she shouldn't be marrying both men under that surname  :-\
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 October 21 16:31 BST (UK)
Birth reg March qtr 1922 Southwark - Constance J Bradford

Married Dann 1941  Remarried as Dann in 1947 to Bertram

So unless she divorced Bertram & remarried again - any death should be under Bertram

EdCan - is she on the 1939 register?  What was her exact birthdate?  Any other surnames  shown apart from what's already known?

Have you downloaded Dorian's will?
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 21 October 21 16:41 BST (UK)
I did not see her on 1939 and forgot to check if Dorian had a will

Ed
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 October 21 16:47 BST (UK)
"She married HG Dann"

She actually married Ronald HG Dann b 1904.  Did they divorce or did he die?

No children appear to have been born to either marriage so what is her connection to your FH?
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 21 October 21 16:55 BST (UK)
Ronald H G Dann remarried 1953 Uxbridge
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 October 21 16:56 BST (UK)
What document do you have which shows her middle name as Jessie & her birthplace as Southwark?

There are 2 Constance J Bradford births both in March qtr 1922 but difference counties.  The other one was Joyce

How does she connect to your FH?

Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: heywood on Thursday 21 October 21 17:03 BST (UK)
There is a newspaper snippet - Central Somerset Gazette
23rd February 1962
Dorian and Constance Bertram Ö in a list of people - possibly mourners?
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 21 October 21 17:23 BST (UK)
Her parents were George William Bradford and Jessie Chappell who were married 1921 Walworth

Ed
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 21 October 21 17:23 BST (UK)
From Carole's ref to a will, there is this entry on the index

Dorian Trevenen Bertram [Trevenan Bertram]
Death Date: 31 May 1992
Probate Date: 7 Aug 1992
Probate Registry: Brighton

Another index entry for him also includes an additinal middle name of Noble.

Monica
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 21 October 21 17:39 BST (UK)
His father was Ivan Trevenen Noble Bertram 1887-1953
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: heywood on Thursday 21 October 21 17:41 BST (UK)
Well she seems to be alive and around in 1962 so perhaps the will is the best way to go.
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 October 21 18:26 BST (UK)
Wrong dates - ignore
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 21 October 21 19:53 BST (UK)
There is a D T Bertram showing up to 1968, and the online A/try cut off, in the British Telephone Directories. Address in later years was Rose Cottage, Charing, Kent.

Doesn't help with Constance's details though.

Monica
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 21 October 21 19:57 BST (UK)
When Constance remarried Bertram she used her maiden name Bradford


Marriages Sep 1947   
Bertram    Dorian T    Bradford            Westminster    5c   1093    
Bradford    Constance J    Bertram    Westminster    5c   1093

John
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 21 October 21 20:02 BST (UK)
Constance death

BERTRAM, CONSTANCE  JESSIE     1921 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/2010 in KENT  (5641F)  Reg 1F004  Entry

I think she was probably born late 1921 with a MQ birth reg in 1922.

John
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: heywood on Thursday 21 October 21 20:03 BST (UK)
Thatís good John.  :)
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 21 October 21 20:28 BST (UK)
Good find, John!

Monica
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 21 October 21 20:36 BST (UK)
With regard to the 1939 register Constance parents are recorded with what appears to be 2 redacted entries underneath, probably Constance and her sister born 1924.

John
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 21 October 21 20:50 BST (UK)
Think I'm right that Constance left a will?

BERTRAM   CONSTANCE JESSIE   date of probate 15 February 2011   3474581   date of death 02 March 2010   Grant and will   Brighton

John
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 21 October 21 22:42 BST (UK)
Excellent. Thanks John. I think I will order Constance's Will and see if it mentions her sister Iris

Much appreciated
Ed
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: johnhood on Sunday 24 October 21 15:02 BST (UK)
EdCan, Constance sister Iris Vera married twice 1st 1948, 2nd 1955. One son born to second marriage in 1957 but mmn recorded as Smith should have been Bradford. This son died 2019. Iris Vera died 2004 so will not appear in Constance will.

John

Added

BANGS   IRIS VERA   16 February 2005   1746198   13 August 2004   Grant and will   Ipswich
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: heywood on Sunday 24 October 21 15:10 BST (UK)
Good finds John.  :)
Title: Re: Constance Jessie Bradford
Post by: EdCan on Sunday 24 October 21 15:26 BST (UK)
EdCan, Constance sister Iris Vera married twice 1st 1948, 2nd 1955. One son born to second marriage in 1957 but mmn recorded as Smith should have been Bradford. This son died 2019. Iris Vera died 2004 so will not appear in Constance will.

John

Added

BANGS   IRIS VERA   16 February 2005   1746198   13 August 2004   Grant and will   Ipswich

Thanks John. Info much appreciated. As it so happens I just read the Will this AM. Constance left everything to "good friends"

Ed