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Title: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: Sikes on Sunday 24 October 21 23:08 BST (UK)
I know Richarde Killinge married someone in Calne (10 May 1624) but I cant decipher her name. I'm not alone, Ancestry is suggesting 'Phrizye Anger.'
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 25 October 21 01:14 BST (UK)
The letters in the first name do indeed look like 'P', 'h', 'r','i','z', 'y', 'e'.
You can see the same 'r' in the middle of Richard's name, and that is a classic capital 'P' in this hand.

The second name might be 'Auger' or 'Anger' - it is difficult to distinguish a 'u' from an 'n'.
It looks to be formed very much like the 'u' in 'June' below, and you can see the 'u' and the 'n' are virtually identical in that word.

You sometimes get these odd names.
I have a 'Phaunia' in the mid 1600s, with variations, who I have never been able to track down!
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: maddys52 on Monday 25 October 21 01:36 BST (UK)
I can't help with the name  except to confirm with my trusty "Old Law hands" guide that the letters do appear to be as goldie 61 indicated.


You sometimes get these odd names.
I have a 'Phaunia' in the mid 1600s, with variations, who I have never been able to track down!

This name reminded me of a video I watched recently about the name "Tiffany" - one of the variations was Theophania.  ;)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=853493.msg7214767#msg7214767
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 25 October 21 02:30 BST (UK)

You sometimes get these odd names.
I have a 'Phaunia' in the mid 1600s, with variations, who I have never been able to track down!

This name reminded me of a video I watched recently about the name "Tiffany" - one of the variations was Theophania.  ;)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=853493.msg7214767#msg7214767
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Wow that's interesting Maddy.
I've tried allsorts. I even wondered if it was just a fancy 'Fanny', so hence Ann or Hannah, but always faced with a solid wall.  :(
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: horselydown86 on Monday 25 October 21 04:11 BST (UK)
I too think it reads:   Phrizye Auger/Anger

ADDED:

It could possibly be a diminutive or affectionate form of Frideswide, which was a relatively popular name for about 200 years to 1600:

https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/12/frideswide.html
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: Sikes on Monday 25 October 21 08:58 BST (UK)
Many thanks all. Very intresting  :)

One of the comments in the Frideswide blog says "An eighteenth-century British dictionary gives the nickname Friz for "Fridswid.". Maybe it was an alternative spelling of Frize?
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: maddys52 on Monday 25 October 21 11:05 BST (UK)
That sounds like a good possibility horselydown. Love learning something new, what a great name!
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: spendlove on Monday 25 October 21 20:27 BST (UK)
Hi,

The following is a connection to the marriage on Ancestry, who have the name as Phryzye Anger.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=61187&h=902566147&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=1352

This is Calne Parish Registers, as you can see the writing is different from the image you posted, so is your image from Bishop Transcript?

Spendlove
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: maddys52 on Tuesday 26 October 21 05:23 BST (UK)
I notice there is also a Phryzye GYLDER (married John ANDROSE at Calne) in 1622 and a Phryzye PURRE buried in Wiltshire in 1624. And a few others around Wiltshire in the 1600s.

Phryzye/ Phrize/Phrisye

 So not unusual for the time and place.  :)
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: Sikes on Wednesday 27 October 21 19:11 BST (UK)
It could possibly be a diminutive or affectionate form of Frideswide, which was a relatively popular name for about 200 years to 1600:

https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/12/frideswide.html
Thank you horselydown86, this turned out to be really useful. I found a burial for Frizwide Killing  :)
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: maddys52 on Thursday 28 October 21 02:13 BST (UK)
That's great, again well done horselydown. Frizwide - sounds like a description of my hair at the moment.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Richarde Killinge married who?
Post by: horselydown86 on Thursday 28 October 21 03:27 BST (UK)
Cheers, Sikes and Maddy - it's great to hear it has come together so neatly.

Along with Maddy's finds in Reply #8, we are well prepared for the next Phrizye who comes along.