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Title: Convict information
Post by: JANICELEEDALE on Monday 25 October 21 03:53 BST (UK)
Hello all you wonderful knowledgeable people. Can you please advise web links to free information to research my errant relative who was sent from England to Aus in 1800. TIA
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I don't know how to reply on the site. Can you help? The convice is Richard Hughes arrived 1 Oct 1830 • gaol, Parramatta, New South Wales ship Lady Harewood, No 1431 Richard Hughes SHIP Lady Harwood, 1830, on arr ? on entering goal ‘free’, native place KENT?, protestant, laborer, admitted 31st Parramatta, debtor £9 10s 0p, paid the debt, 1st nov behavior in goal ‘debtor’??
How do I track him from release also?
I think this is him: No 4702, Richard Hughes age 23, released into employment of Rev. R Cartwright, Liverpool year of arr. 1831, SHIP Lady Harwood, 7 ½ years, https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/cartwright-robert-1882. thanks again. Jenny
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Monday 25 October 21 04:17 BST (UK)
What was the name of the person, the name of convict ship, and the place he/ she was sent?

https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/convicts
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: majm on Monday 25 October 21 10:17 BST (UK)
Hello all you wonderful knowledgeable people. Can you please advise web links to free information to research my errant relative who was sent from England to Aus in 1800. TIA

Hi

If you are sure the year is 1800, then the records must be at the New South Wales State Archives, who in turn have partnership arrangements with several commercial websites.    NSW State Archives online indexes for that era include two significant ones,  including Convict Indents - Indexes 1788-1801 with images NO subscriptions,  freely available and the Col-sec papers 1788-1825.

There is a new database, nominal annual subs of about $35,  - Biographical Database of Australia,  detailed info there, a not for profit group behind that.

Agree with Neale, plenty of help available if you can give name etc  of your person of interest  :)

JM  ADD I am on my e-reader, so cannot do live links, BUT there's plenty on RChats Australia  resources board and on the sub-boards within that.
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 October 21 00:49 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I have had a PM from our OP  (Original Poster  :D ) and so I will try to help a tad more ...   :D

 :)  The reply button is only available when we are logged on, but even if not logged on, anyone can read the thread because RootsChat is set up that way,  easy to find via Google or similar search engines.

 :)  We are looking for a Richard HUGHES per the Lady Harewood to Sydney arriving NSW 4 March 1831.   

 :)  I am attaching a snip from the Opening Post, which our OP has kindly added further info to.  I am attaching the snip to show the REPLY button.

Fingers crossed,  ADDED  ITS HUGGGGGEEEE  huge I say ... you will need to scroll across. 

JM
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:10 BST (UK)
Here is the live link to the Resources Board for Australia.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/ 


And for the sub-board for NSW https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0

And the NSW State Archives https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

And NSW State Archives Convict Indexes (Under C) https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/research-a-z  and
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts/guides  includes the live link to the pdf guide and
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts

And Biographical Database of Australia (the not for profit website, a work in progress)... 
https://www.bda-online.org.au/

I am sure Neale and many other RChatters will have plenty of other live links to share too.

JM

Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:16 BST (UK)
Here is the link for the newspaper announcement for Richard HUGHES obtaining his Certificate of Freedom
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32156248 The Sydney Monitor, 9 June 1837
Hughes Richard Lady Harewood 1. 

(the '1' indicates the NSW administration for Convicts have added '1' to indicate in their NSW records that that was the first time that that ship brought convicts to NSW)

JM
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:20 BST (UK)
To all forum members wishing to help, a message received by PM from JANICELEEDALE

It contains the same information as posted above by JM
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:21 BST (UK)
CERTIFICATE OF FREEDOM   18 May 1837
Prisoner number: 31/382
Name: Richard Hughes
Ship: Lady Harewood1830
Native Place: Newington Kent
Trade or calling: Gardener
Offence: Stealing Pigs
Place of Trial: Kent Quarter Sessions
Date of Trial: 20 April 1830
Sentence: 7 years
Year of Birth: 1807
Height: 5 feet 10 inches
Complexion: Dark ruddy
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Grey
General Remarks: Scar on right cheek? Another inner corner of right eye brow.
Next bit hard to read, refers to tattoos – Two men? three women A.H.C.H.A.H.R.G.J.P. inside right arm and mermaid on upper R.H.J H.T.H anchor lower left arm.

Written across side – looks like ”cleared out in the Waterlily for 12S     4 March 43”
(I speculate this is him leaving the colony on the ship Waterlily. Needs further investigation)

Extra information contained in the Convict Indent
Richard Hughes – can read, Protestant, Married, 1 daughter, 1 son,
Occupation: Shepherd, ploughs, reaps, mills, and hop planter, kitchen gardener.


He was assigned to Rev R. Cartwright in Liverpool.     See here for Robert Cartwright:
https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/cartwright-robert-1882
 JM will give you more on Rev Cartwright, I am sure.
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:22 BST (UK)
Entry in the Paramatta Gaol Entrance Book
31 Oct 1842
In Debt 9 Pounds and 10 Shillings
Debt paid 1st Nov

There is also reference to a bank warrant for Richard Hughes, per Lady Harewood
27 May 1837 – a cash fine of 1 pound – according to the Colonial Secretary letter of 25th May 1837
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:29 BST (UK)
Waterlily went from Sydney to Hobart arriving Hobart 18 March 1843.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/36233055 Launceston paper 25 Mar 1843

JM
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:51 BST (UK)
Waterlily went from Sydney to Hobart arriving Hobart 18 March 1843.
I can see a few trips for the schooner "Waterlily" between Sydney and Hobart in 1843. Passengers in steerage are rarely named.

Here he is named in newspaper 11 March 1843.
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 26 October 21 01:58 BST (UK)
There is a record of a passenger, Richard Hughes leaving Hobart 27 March 1846, onboard “Lady Leigh” going to Port Albert.
No age recorded, so it is difficult to know if it is him.

I will look some more into other possible departures when I have some more time. Someone else may come along in the mean time and find the correct departure.
I would suggest you look for him in the 1851 England census, since it looks as if he might have tried to return home.
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: JANICELEEDALE on Wednesday 27 October 21 06:34 BST (UK)
Oh my gosh, JM nailed it. I had the doc that JM was able to decipher, I couldn't, "Written across side – looks like ”cleared out in the Waterlily for 12S     4 March 43”
(I speculate this is him leaving the colony on the ship Waterlily. Needs further investigation)
I will persue this, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH Jenny
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: JANICELEEDALE on Wednesday 27 October 21 06:39 BST (UK)
Thank you very much to Neale and JM and everyone else behind the scenes. I am so very grateful for your help. I am in awe of your skills J
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 27 October 21 23:46 BST (UK)
There is a record of a passenger, Richard Hughes leaving Hobart 27 March 1846, onboard “Lady Leigh” going to Port Albert.
In addition to the above departure in 1846, there is a Mr. Hughes leaving Tasmania 19 July 1844 bound for Port Phillip.
 
There is a Richard Hughes born 1807 England and a labourer who has a large number of criminal convictions (over 60 convictions) who appears in the Victorian Police Gazette for everything from larceny to vagrancy.  Last date I can see is in 1893 (age 86).
Possibly his death:  Richard Hughes age 86yrs died at Tarra Bend Asylum 12 Jan 1894 (an inquest- senile decay)

It is difficult to know if this is your man - Be aware there are a few different men with that name, and a number who are ex-convicts.

Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 27 October 21 23:47 BST (UK)
Of course, your Richard Hughes may not have left Tasmania.
There is a court record on 29th Dec 1857 of a Richard Hughes in Launceston gaol for sheep stealing. Under remarks there is no sentence entered. It just says “F.S.” (free by servitude) and “ignored”.

There is a death 24 May 1864 in Launceston of a Richard Hughes (labourer), age 57
 
Again- warning, There are a number of men with the same name.
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: majm on Wednesday 27 October 21 23:50 BST (UK)
 :)  :)

I think Neale is on track with his in depth knowledge of Tasmania searchings.   I can find around 20 chaps in NSW in the 1840s as :  Mr Hughes,  Richd Hughes, Mr Huges,  Mr Hughs,  Hugh Richards, and similar variations. 

May I please thank Janice for the very special PM she has kindly sent me. 

JM
Title: Re: CONVICT INFORMATION
Post by: Neale1961 on Thursday 28 October 21 02:22 BST (UK)
There is a Richard Hughes born 1807 England and a labourer who has a large number of criminal convictions (over 60 convictions) who appears in the Victorian Police Gazette for everything from larceny to vagrancy.  Last date I can see is in 1893 (age 86).
Possibly his death:  Richard Hughes age 86yrs died at Tarra Bend Asylum 12 Jan 1894 (an inquest- senile decay)
You can discount this man. The asylum record has him born in Manchester.
Title: Re: Convict information
Post by: JANICELEEDALE on Sunday 21 November 21 20:05 GMT (UK)
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE I HAVE FOUND WHAT I NEED.