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Title: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Monday 01 November 21 15:29 GMT (UK)
I have Henry Thomas Parton born 1891:

Name
Henry Thomas Parton
Registration Date  1891
Quarter of the Year  Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place  Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Volume11a
Page    637

From GRO MMN Lloyd

I have him on UK Railway Employment records 1906

Name:  Henry Thos Parton
Age     15 
Birth Date         11 May1891
Residence Date  11 Sep1906
Station   Dowlais
Company Great Western

I also have his marriage in 1913 in Merthyr to Tredisa Lydiatt.
From his marriage his fathers name given as Thomas, a collier.

I cannot however find any census information in 1900 or 1911.

Would welcome any help

Ray


Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: smithkei on Monday 01 November 21 16:21 GMT (UK)
I did find a family in Lower Bullingham, Herefordshire 1901. Father Thomas, but not a collier, son Henry Thomas age 9, but born Ross. Of course he could have been born in Ross and registered MT.

I found Henry´s war record in the Royal Artillery. He was discharged in 1916 with chronic bronchitis.

Nothing more, sorry

Does his employment record have an address? On his war record his address is 42 Trevethick St but he´s not there 1911
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 01 November 21 16:30 GMT (UK)
A tree on Ancestry shows his birthdate as 31.5.1891 and death in July 1965 Glamorgan
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 01 November 21 16:40 GMT (UK)
You may have to buy a copy of his birth cert to establish his mothers christian name as there doesn't appear to be any Parton/Lloyd marriage
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Monday 01 November 21 16:41 GMT (UK)
Re 1901 census, one sibling Alice aged 4

PARTON, ALICE       mmn LLOYD 
GRO Reference: 1896  D Quarter in ROSS  Volume 06A  Page 452

John
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 01 November 21 17:37 GMT (UK)
1901 in Lower Bullingham, Herefordshire:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BT-7XG

Henry Thomas Parton 9 with parents Thomas and Ann, and sisters Jane 13, Myra 9, and Alice 4.

I'd found Myra (Myra Maud) in school registers with Alice, and that helped pin the family down.
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Monday 01 November 21 17:55 GMT (UK)
Possibly Father Thomas & 2 children in 1891

Piece:   4441
Folio:   83
Page Number:   22
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Elizabeth Brown   56
Thomas Parton   36
William Warter   26
William Parton   12
Jane Parton   3

John
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 01 November 21 18:17 GMT (UK)
Re 1891 above.  All Parton's living & born Cefn; Vaynor, Breconshire.  Boarders with Elizabeth Brown

The important thing is that Thomas is shown as a widower.  He is also a general labourer - not a collier

Possible death for wife - which if correct - she could not be Henry's mother

Deaths September qtr 1889   
Parton    Jane    32    Merthyr T.    11a   270

You need his 1891 birth cert to establish her christian name
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Monday 01 November 21 19:07 GMT (UK)
As CaroleW says the 1891 birth cert would confirm what we are speculating. For info and the back burner are these possibilities.


PARTON, THOMAS       mmn PREECE 
GRO Reference: 1856  S Quarter in WEOBLEY  Volume 06A  Page 442.

The Weobley reg district covers both the below 1881 census birth place for Thomas and 1901 census pob of Blakemere.

Piece:   5470
Folio:   122
Page Number:   7
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Thomas Parton   24
Jane Ann Parton   24
William J. Parton   2.

Possible marriage

Marriages Jun 1877 
Evans    Jane        Hereford    6a   919   
Parton    Thomas        Hereford    6a   919    

Date of marriage 10.05.1877 Peterschurch Hereford. Thomas born 1856, his father William Parton. Jane born 1855 her father James Evans.

Birth of son William James

PARTON, WILLIAM  JAMES     mmn EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1878  J Quarter in WEOBLEY  Volume 06A  Page 552

William's age consistent as per 1881/91 census.

John

Added, looks as though William James was a twin

PARTON, THOMAS  JOHN     mmn EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1878  J Quarter in WEOBLEY  Volume 06A  Page 552

Added, probably Jane's birth

PARTON, JANNETT       mmn EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in HAY  Volume 11B  Page 121

Final addition,

PARTON, HENRY       mmn EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in HEREFORD  Volume 06A  Page 512

Baptism
Parton
Henry


1879
Herefordshire Baptisms
Peterchurch, Herefordshire, England-----------same church as marriage of Thomas & Jane
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 01 November 21 21:40 GMT (UK)
Ray

You have to bear in mind that although his mmn is Lloyd on the GRO index - there is no Parton/Lloyd marriage.  However - if his mother was previously married -  you can get this situation

Jane Lloyd marries Joe Bloggs & is widowed
Jane Bloggs marries Thomas Parton;
Any Parton children will show mmn Lloyd

He was born only a few weeks after the 1891 census was taken so I would have expected his parents to be in the area in 1891 but the only Thomas Parton was unmarried & a blacksmith.

Without his birth cert - it's all speculation 
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Monday 01 November 21 22:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks all for your input, it does look like I will need the birth certificate. Carole the Ances..ty tree is mine and the date came from the 1939 census, and which is quite close to the UK Railway date 11/5/1891. rather than 31/5/1891.  It is good to know that I wasn't missing the obvious anyway. Thanks all

Ray
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 01 November 21 23:23 GMT (UK)
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Carole the Ances..ty tree is mine and the date came from the 1939 census, and which is quite close to the UK Railway date 11/5/1891. rather than 31/5/1891.

You need to look at the 1939 birthdate again - it's 1889 - not 1891

Births Sep 1891
Parton    Henry Thomas         Merthyr T    11a   637

If he was born in May 1891 - his birth would more likely be registered June qtr 1891
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 02 November 21 08:28 GMT (UK)
Quote
Tredisa Lydiatt

Tresida
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 02 November 21 11:55 GMT (UK)
Deaths
Teresa Elizabeth Parton aged 94 b 14.7.1889
Feb 1984  Merthyr Tydfil  Vol 27 Page 48

Births Sep 1888   (See 1939 entry re birthyear)

Theresa Elizabeth Williams Cardiff    11a   278

Marriages Dec 1907   
LYDIATT    Edgar Charles         Cardiff    11a   779    
WILLIAMS    Theresa Elizabeth     Cardiff    11a   779

Deaths March qtr 1908 
Lydiatt    Edgar Charles    21    Merthyr T.    11a   522

Theresa was a widow when she married Henry
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 02 November 21 12:52 GMT (UK)
His age at enlistment, 1939 register and age at death all suggest a birth year of 1889.

Annette
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 02 November 21 13:36 GMT (UK)
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His age at enlistment, 1939 register and age at death all suggest a birth year of 1889

But he was only 9 in the 1901 census. Perhaps he added a couple of years so as to be the same age as his wife (said to be 25 in 1913), and then kept up the pretence.
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 14:16 GMT (UK)
ShaunJ, you mention the 1901 census? that is one of the things I don't have, could you show where that census is please. (sorry, totally missed your post of familysearch site - jiust too much going on at my house this morning (my excuse!!)) Will need to go through that census.

As far as year of birth I am fairly satisfied its 1891. The year keeps changing but the month does remain constant, which does match what I believe is his birth registration.
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 14:40 GMT (UK)
Have had look at the 1901 census. I think this is the census for Henry Thomas Parton.  There is a death for a Thomas Parton of the same age in Merthyr Tydfil in 1907.  Sister Myra Parton 1894 (not found a birth registration) marries in Merthyr Tydfil in 1911 (Frederick Clarke).

Not found mother Ann or sister Alice as yet.
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:01 GMT (UK)
Per school records Myra was born 6/12/93 and Alice was born 27/8/96

The 1895 register of Ballingham School register has these three, all children of Thomas Parton

Emily 4/7/86
Jane 2/6/88
Thomas 31/5/91
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:10 GMT (UK)
The 1908 register of St Mary's Roman Catholic School, Merthyr Tydfil has a Mary Parton birthdate 27/8/96 - is this Alice? Mother Ann Parton, 21 Plantation Street. Only there for a week in May 1908, then left the district.
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:25 GMT (UK)
The birthdate is Alice birth registered Dec qtr 1896. I have the marriage for Myra but no birth registration. If Thomas was wandering around as a farm hand at the time he may not have registered the birth

Pretty sure that Jane was the daughter of the first wife of Thomas Parton a Jane Evans.  Think there was also a son William James born 1878.

I believe that Jane Evans died in Merthyr Tydfil registration district in 1889. I have Thomas in Vaynor, Breckonshire (Merthyr district) on the 1891 census, with both William and Jane.

Not come across Emily as yet.

Thanks so much Shaun. 
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:34 GMT (UK)
Carole I had the Lydiatt information. Poor Edgar had a tragic death, he fell 90 feet from one of the blast stoves at the Dowlais Steelworks. When Theresa remarried to Henry Parton they named their first child Margery Lydiatt Parton
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:35 GMT (UK)
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the UK Railway date 11/5/1891

That's a mistranscription. The railway record shows his birthdate as 31/5/1891:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1728/images/32167_626640_0148-00017
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks Shaun, when I enlarged it could see it was 31 not 11.
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:48 GMT (UK)
Is this possibly your Henry in 1911 census with brother William James who married Ellen Vallance in 1900.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX4-FJM

John
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you John, definitely the one, really great find.

Ray
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 02 November 21 18:33 GMT (UK)
So, if all the recent findings are correct, Thomas Parton never actually married 2nd 'wife' Ann (no marriage record).

On 1891 census (5/4/1891) Thomas is a widower and yet just one month later Henry Thomas is born (31/5/1891) supposedly of a lawful union as registered as Parton, mmn Lloyd.

So where was she in 1891?   Although maiden name is Lloyd had she been married already and thus listed under another surname?

Annette
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Tuesday 02 November 21 19:02 GMT (UK)
Ray, have you got details of Myra's marriage and the address she gave on marriage cert. Also noticed on Henry Thomas's railway record below him is a John Morgan Parston, did wonder if they were connected in some way.

John
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Tuesday 02 November 21 19:23 GMT (UK)
When Thomas married Jane in 1877 her father recorded as James Evans. Possibly this is Emily c 1886 with her grandparents in 1891  May be Janes brother as he was born Peterschurch.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TVY-C6Z

Think Emily went on to marry a John Hall in 1912 in MT.

John
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 02 November 21 20:49 GMT (UK)
Here's a little news about Alice

The Pioneer - 21 Feb 1914

JOINED THE ARMY.
Alice Parton, Penydarren, summoned Thomas Doyle, collier, in respect of a female child, born in December last.—Complainant said that defendant had joined the Army as soon as he had received the summons. He was in the 2nd Welsh Regiment.— Mary Ann James (nurse) said that defendant had admitted being the father. —An order for 3/6 per week was made.

Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: RayDen on Tuesday 02 November 21 22:59 GMT (UK)
Johnhood, that is a really good find for Emily for Emily in 1891, thank you.

As for the address on Myra's marriage cert I don't have that. On the 1915 War Service record the address is: 236 Gellefaelog Old Road, Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil

I did have a look at the John Morgan Parton birth and it was registered in Kington, Herefordshire in 1889 but there was no MMN.

Another great find for Alice Parton, thank you Mabel

Annette, Thomas and his 2 children were lodgers at the time and the census was taken on 5 April 1891 some 2 months before Henry was born. Living with parents/elsewhere??  But was part of my thoughts as well.

Ray
Title: Re: Henry Thomas Parton
Post by: johnhood on Wednesday 03 November 21 09:49 GMT (UK)
Re 1891 above.  All Parton's living & born Cefn; Vaynor, Breconshire.  Boarders with Elizabeth Brown

The important thing is that Thomas is shown as a widower.  He is also a general labourer - not a collier

Possible death for wife - which if correct - she could not be Henry's mother

Deaths September qtr 1889   
Parton    Jane    32    Merthyr T.    11a   270


Just speculation!

There is a birth of a Maria Alice Parton sq 1889 MT with mmn of Evans. Wonder if Jane died as a result of this birth.

John