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I have Henry Thomas Parton born 1891:
Name
Henry Thomas Parton
Registration Date 1891
Quarter of the Year Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Volume11a
Page 637
From GRO MMN Lloyd
I have him on UK Railway Employment records 1906
Name: Henry Thos Parton
Age 15
Birth Date 11 May1891
Residence Date 11 Sep1906
Station Dowlais
Company Great Western
I also have his marriage in 1913 in Merthyr to Tredisa Lydiatt.
From his marriage his fathers name given as Thomas, a collier.
I cannot however find any census information in 1900 or 1911.
Would welcome any help
Ray
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I did find a family in Lower Bullingham, Herefordshire 1901. Father Thomas, but not a collier, son Henry Thomas age 9, but born Ross. Of course he could have been born in Ross and registered MT.
I found Henry´s war record in the Royal Artillery. He was discharged in 1916 with chronic bronchitis.
Nothing more, sorry
Does his employment record have an address? On his war record his address is 42 Trevethick St but he´s not there 1911
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A tree on Ancestry shows his birthdate as 31.5.1891 and death in July 1965 Glamorgan
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You may have to buy a copy of his birth cert to establish his mothers christian name as there doesn't appear to be any Parton/Lloyd marriage
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Re 1901 census, one sibling Alice aged 4
PARTON, ALICE mmn LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in ROSS Volume 06A Page 452
John
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1901 in Lower Bullingham, Herefordshire:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BT-7XG
Henry Thomas Parton 9 with parents Thomas and Ann, and sisters Jane 13, Myra 9, and Alice 4.
I'd found Myra (Myra Maud) in school registers with Alice, and that helped pin the family down.
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Possibly Father Thomas & 2 children in 1891
Piece: 4441
Folio: 83
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Brown 56
Thomas Parton 36
William Warter 26
William Parton 12
Jane Parton 3
John
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Re 1891 above. All Parton's living & born Cefn; Vaynor, Breconshire. Boarders with Elizabeth Brown
The important thing is that Thomas is shown as a widower. He is also a general labourer - not a collier
Possible death for wife - which if correct - she could not be Henry's mother
Deaths September qtr 1889
Parton Jane 32 Merthyr T. 11a 270
You need his 1891 birth cert to establish her christian name
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As CaroleW says the 1891 birth cert would confirm what we are speculating. For info and the back burner are these possibilities.
PARTON, THOMAS mmn PREECE
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 442.
The Weobley reg district covers both the below 1881 census birth place for Thomas and 1901 census pob of Blakemere.
Piece: 5470
Folio: 122
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Parton 24
Jane Ann Parton 24
William J. Parton 2.
Possible marriage
Marriages Jun 1877
Evans Jane Hereford 6a 919
Parton Thomas Hereford 6a 919
Date of marriage 10.05.1877 Peterschurch Hereford. Thomas born 1856, his father William Parton. Jane born 1855 her father James Evans.
Birth of son William James
PARTON, WILLIAM JAMES mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 552
William's age consistent as per 1881/91 census.
John
Added, looks as though William James was a twin
PARTON, THOMAS JOHN mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 552
Added, probably Jane's birth
PARTON, JANNETT mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 121
Final addition,
PARTON, HENRY mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 512
Baptism
Parton
Henry
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1879
Herefordshire Baptisms
Peterchurch, Herefordshire, England-----------same church as marriage of Thomas & Jane
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Ray
You have to bear in mind that although his mmn is Lloyd on the GRO index - there is no Parton/Lloyd marriage. However - if his mother was previously married - you can get this situation
Jane Lloyd marries Joe Bloggs & is widowed
Jane Bloggs marries Thomas Parton;
Any Parton children will show mmn Lloyd
He was born only a few weeks after the 1891 census was taken so I would have expected his parents to be in the area in 1891 but the only Thomas Parton was unmarried & a blacksmith.
Without his birth cert - it's all speculation
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Thanks all for your input, it does look like I will need the birth certificate. Carole the Ances..ty tree is mine and the date came from the 1939 census, and which is quite close to the UK Railway date 11/5/1891. rather than 31/5/1891. It is good to know that I wasn't missing the obvious anyway. Thanks all
Ray
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Carole the Ances..ty tree is mine and the date came from the 1939 census, and which is quite close to the UK Railway date 11/5/1891. rather than 31/5/1891.
You need to look at the 1939 birthdate again - it's 1889 - not 1891
Births Sep 1891
Parton Henry Thomas Merthyr T 11a 637
If he was born in May 1891 - his birth would more likely be registered June qtr 1891
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Tredisa Lydiatt
Tresida
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Deaths
Teresa Elizabeth Parton aged 94 b 14.7.1889
Feb 1984 Merthyr Tydfil Vol 27 Page 48
Births Sep 1888 (See 1939 entry re birthyear)
Theresa Elizabeth Williams Cardiff 11a 278
Marriages Dec 1907
LYDIATT Edgar Charles Cardiff 11a 779
WILLIAMS Theresa Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 779
Deaths March qtr 1908
Lydiatt Edgar Charles 21 Merthyr T. 11a 522
Theresa was a widow when she married Henry
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His age at enlistment, 1939 register and age at death all suggest a birth year of 1889.
Annette
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His age at enlistment, 1939 register and age at death all suggest a birth year of 1889
But he was only 9 in the 1901 census. Perhaps he added a couple of years so as to be the same age as his wife (said to be 25 in 1913), and then kept up the pretence.
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ShaunJ, you mention the 1901 census? that is one of the things I don't have, could you show where that census is please. (sorry, totally missed your post of familysearch site - jiust too much going on at my house this morning (my excuse!!)) Will need to go through that census.
As far as year of birth I am fairly satisfied its 1891. The year keeps changing but the month does remain constant, which does match what I believe is his birth registration.
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Have had look at the 1901 census. I think this is the census for Henry Thomas Parton. There is a death for a Thomas Parton of the same age in Merthyr Tydfil in 1907. Sister Myra Parton 1894 (not found a birth registration) marries in Merthyr Tydfil in 1911 (Frederick Clarke).
Not found mother Ann or sister Alice as yet.
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Per school records Myra was born 6/12/93 and Alice was born 27/8/96
The 1895 register of Ballingham School register has these three, all children of Thomas Parton
Emily 4/7/86
Jane 2/6/88
Thomas 31/5/91
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The 1908 register of St Mary's Roman Catholic School, Merthyr Tydfil has a Mary Parton birthdate 27/8/96 - is this Alice? Mother Ann Parton, 21 Plantation Street. Only there for a week in May 1908, then left the district.
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The birthdate is Alice birth registered Dec qtr 1896. I have the marriage for Myra but no birth registration. If Thomas was wandering around as a farm hand at the time he may not have registered the birth
Pretty sure that Jane was the daughter of the first wife of Thomas Parton a Jane Evans. Think there was also a son William James born 1878.
I believe that Jane Evans died in Merthyr Tydfil registration district in 1889. I have Thomas in Vaynor, Breckonshire (Merthyr district) on the 1891 census, with both William and Jane.
Not come across Emily as yet.
Thanks so much Shaun.
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Carole I had the Lydiatt information. Poor Edgar had a tragic death, he fell 90 feet from one of the blast stoves at the Dowlais Steelworks. When Theresa remarried to Henry Parton they named their first child Margery Lydiatt Parton
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the UK Railway date 11/5/1891
That's a mistranscription. The railway record shows his birthdate as 31/5/1891:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1728/images/32167_626640_0148-00017
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Thanks Shaun, when I enlarged it could see it was 31 not 11.
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Is this possibly your Henry in 1911 census with brother William James who married Ellen Vallance in 1900.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX4-FJM
John
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Thank you John, definitely the one, really great find.
Ray
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So, if all the recent findings are correct, Thomas Parton never actually married 2nd 'wife' Ann (no marriage record).
On 1891 census (5/4/1891) Thomas is a widower and yet just one month later Henry Thomas is born (31/5/1891) supposedly of a lawful union as registered as Parton, mmn Lloyd.
So where was she in 1891? Although maiden name is Lloyd had she been married already and thus listed under another surname?
Annette
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Ray, have you got details of Myra's marriage and the address she gave on marriage cert. Also noticed on Henry Thomas's railway record below him is a John Morgan Parston, did wonder if they were connected in some way.
John
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When Thomas married Jane in 1877 her father recorded as James Evans.
Possibly this is Emily c 1886 with her grandparents in 1891 May be Janes brother as he was born Peterschurch.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TVY-C6Z
Think Emily went on to marry a John Hall in 1912 in MT.
John
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Here's a little news about Alice
The Pioneer - 21 Feb 1914
JOINED THE ARMY.
Alice Parton, Penydarren, summoned Thomas Doyle, collier, in respect of a female child, born in December last.—Complainant said that defendant had joined the Army as soon as he had received the summons. He was in the 2nd Welsh Regiment.— Mary Ann James (nurse) said that defendant had admitted being the father. —An order for 3/6 per week was made.
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Johnhood, that is a really good find for Emily for Emily in 1891, thank you.
As for the address on Myra's marriage cert I don't have that. On the 1915 War Service record the address is: 236 Gellefaelog Old Road, Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil
I did have a look at the John Morgan Parton birth and it was registered in Kington, Herefordshire in 1889 but there was no MMN.
Another great find for Alice Parton, thank you Mabel
Annette, Thomas and his 2 children were lodgers at the time and the census was taken on 5 April 1891 some 2 months before Henry was born. Living with parents/elsewhere?? But was part of my thoughts as well.
Ray
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Re 1891 above. All Parton's living & born Cefn; Vaynor, Breconshire. Boarders with Elizabeth Brown
The important thing is that Thomas is shown as a widower. He is also a general labourer - not a collier
Possible death for wife - which if correct - she could not be Henry's mother
Deaths September qtr 1889
Parton Jane 32 Merthyr T. 11a 270
Just speculation!
There is a birth of a Maria Alice Parton sq 1889 MT with mmn of Evans. Wonder if Jane died as a result of this birth.
John