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Title: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Jim Webster on Monday 08 November 21 13:18 GMT (UK)
Help needed please.
I'm trying to trace information for this gentleman for an elderly neighbour who is Patricks grandson.
The 1911 and 1901 census' for Sunderland shown his dob as 1864 in Sunderland, married to MARY JANE (GRAY) born 1867 and their children. I have found a birth transcription showing a Patrick McARDLE being born at the right time and place. I have been unable to find any census information from 1871 to 1891 which would provide his sibling and parents. Any links to this info would be greatly appreciated.
Jim

Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 08 November 21 13:25 GMT (UK)
MCCARDLE, PATRICK       Mothers maiden surname OBRIAN 
GRO Reference: 1864  Dec Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 510
 
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 08 November 21 13:28 GMT (UK)
Name:    Patricius Mcardle
Birth Date:    5 Oct 1864
Baptism    9 Oct 1864: St. Marys, Sunderland, Durham, England
Father:    Thomas Mcardle
Mother:    Marie O'Brown
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 08 November 21 13:33 GMT (UK)
Could this be the parents in 1861 living in Southwick, Sunderland :-\

Thomas McCardle 26  Ireland  Labourer
Mary McCardle    25 Ireland
Philip McCardle    1
Thomas McCardle 1
Thomas Obrian    24 Brother in law

Kay
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Jim Webster on Monday 08 November 21 13:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Rosie / Kay
Thank you for your responses. I have searched on find my past but cannot find the birth or 1861 census to which you refer. Any chance of a link which will allow me to view and  print the info.
Jim
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 08 November 21 14:07 GMT (UK)
This is the 61 census on FindMyPast  https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1861%2F0019312273
The surname is listed as Cardle

Kay

And Baptism https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=R_886270208
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 08 November 21 14:09 GMT (UK)
The birth details I mentioned are just the reference from the GRO index
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Jim Webster on Monday 08 November 21 14:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks Kay, I will take a look next.
I have found birth transcripts for Philip and Thomas who seen to be twins with their mothers name as OBRIEN with an E. Still need the 1871 to 1891 census' if you can help.
Jim
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 08 November 21 14:22 GMT (UK)
There is this 1871 census entry on Anc*y

Piece:   4981 Folio:   28 Page number:   39
Patrick M Castle 40   Head Ireland, Iron Worker
Isabella Castle 32   Wife  Sunderland
Mary An Castle 14   Daughter ditto
Patrick Castle   8   Son ditto
John George Castle 6   Son ditto
Nicholas Castle 2   Son ditto
Isabella Castle 3/12   Daughter Dubmire, Durham

Surname reads McARDLE on original census entry

MCARDLE, JOHN  GEORGE  mmn    PALMER 
GRO Reference: 1864  S Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 515

MCARDLE, NICHOLAS       mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 572

MCARDLE, ISABELLA       mmn PALMER 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 465

added

MCCARDELL, MARY  ANN   mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 430

Mary is with her Palmer grandparents 1861 Piece:   3779 Folio:   87 Page Number:   22

John Palmer   59
Isabela Palmer   51
Elizabeth Palmer   20
Mary A McCardell   Granddau. 4

Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: JenB on Monday 08 November 21 14:31 GMT (UK)
Possible 1891 census for Patrick & Mary Jane. No ages given for the children.

RG 12/ 4143/ 30/52
42 George Street, Sunderland

Patrick Gardle, head, m, 28, general dealer, Durham, Sunderland
Mary J do, wife, 28, do do
Isabella da, daur, do do
Jane do, daur, do do
George do, son, do do
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 08 November 21 14:32 GMT (UK)
1881 census surname CARROLL ??? (same on original entry)

Piece:   4972 Folio:   138 Page Number:   22
Patrick Carroll   48 Ireland coal colliery labourer
Isabell Carroll   40
Patrick Carroll   18
John G. Carroll   16
Nicholas Carroll   13

1891 census surname McARDLE

Piece:   4113 Folio:   117
Patrick McArdle   66   Head Ireland labourer (coal mine)
George McArdle 21   Son Sunderland
Nicholas McArdle 19   Son.  ditto

marriage entry as McCARROLL  :-\

Registration Sep 1855
Registration District:   Sunderland Durham
Volume:   10a Page:   518
Catherine Kelly
Patrick McCarroll
Thomas McDermott
Isabella Palmer
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 08 November 21 14:38 GMT (UK)
Jim - Does Patrick McCARDLE's marriage cert to Mary Gray list his father's name??

A family tree on Anc suggests that the family I posted in 1861 migrated to USA pre 1881 and were living there under the name of McCarroll

Kay

Added - 1881 USA https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6K-542
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 08 November 21 14:39 GMT (UK)
Possible 1891 census for Patrick & Mary Jane. No ages given for the children.

RG 12/ 4143/ 30/52
42 George Street, Sunderland

Patrick Gardle, head, m, 28, general dealer, Durham, Sunderland
Mary J do, wife, 28, do do
Isabella da, daur, do do
Jane do, daur, do do
George do, son, do do

For info. adding 1901 census Piece:   4723 Folio:   229

Patrick McCardle   38 Sunderland
Mary Jane McCardle   34
Isabella McCardle   16
Jane McCardle   14
George McCardle   12
Mary Ann McCardle   10
Sarah Ann McCardle   8
Joseph McCardle   6
Margaret McCardle   4
Patrick McCardle   2
Nicholas McCardle   7/12

MCCARDLE, NICHOLAS    mmn   GRAY
GRO Reference: 1901  M Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 756

MCCARDLE, PATRICK    mmn    GRAY
GRO Reference: 1899  M Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 692

Edit to add 1911 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC4-FW9
Title: Re: PATRICK McCARDLE born Sunderland Q4, 1864
Post by: Jim Webster on Monday 08 November 21 21:13 GMT (UK)
re JENB #9
Allowing for the surname difference this 1891 census seems to fit the bill.
We know that Isabella, Jane and George were the first 3 of 13 children born to Patrick and Mary Jane. These 3 plus Joseph, who sadly died shortly after his birth in 1890, were the only ones born prior to the 1891 census. The others all appear on the 1901 and/or the 1911 census'.
Looking at the 1881 info kindly provided and will report back tomorrow.
In the meantime my thanks to everyone who has taken the time to help.
Jim