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Help needed please.
I'm trying to trace information for this gentleman for an elderly neighbour who is Patricks grandson.
The 1911 and 1901 census' for Sunderland shown his dob as 1864 in Sunderland, married to MARY JANE (GRAY) born 1867 and their children. I have found a birth transcription showing a Patrick McARDLE being born at the right time and place. I have been unable to find any census information from 1871 to 1891 which would provide his sibling and parents. Any links to this info would be greatly appreciated.
Jim
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MCCARDLE, PATRICK Mothers maiden surname OBRIAN
GRO Reference: 1864 Dec Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 510
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Name: Patricius Mcardle
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1864
Baptism 9 Oct 1864: St. Marys, Sunderland, Durham, England
Father: Thomas Mcardle
Mother: Marie O'Brown
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Could this be the parents in 1861 living in Southwick, Sunderland :-\
Thomas McCardle 26 Ireland Labourer
Mary McCardle 25 Ireland
Philip McCardle 1
Thomas McCardle 1
Thomas Obrian 24 Brother in law
Kay
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Hi Rosie / Kay
Thank you for your responses. I have searched on find my past but cannot find the birth or 1861 census to which you refer. Any chance of a link which will allow me to view and print the info.
Jim
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This is the 61 census on FindMyPast https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1861%2F0019312273
The surname is listed as Cardle
Kay
And Baptism https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=R_886270208
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The birth details I mentioned are just the reference from the GRO index
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
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Thanks Kay, I will take a look next.
I have found birth transcripts for Philip and Thomas who seen to be twins with their mothers name as OBRIEN with an E. Still need the 1871 to 1891 census' if you can help.
Jim
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There is this 1871 census entry on Anc*y
Piece: 4981 Folio: 28 Page number: 39
Patrick M Castle 40 Head Ireland, Iron Worker
Isabella Castle 32 Wife Sunderland
Mary An Castle 14 Daughter ditto
Patrick Castle 8 Son ditto
John George Castle 6 Son ditto
Nicholas Castle 2 Son ditto
Isabella Castle 3/12 Daughter Dubmire, Durham
Surname reads McARDLE on original census entry
MCARDLE, JOHN GEORGE mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 515
MCARDLE, NICHOLAS mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 572
MCARDLE, ISABELLA mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING Volume 10A Page 465
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MCCARDELL, MARY ANN mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 430
Mary is with her Palmer grandparents 1861 Piece: 3779 Folio: 87 Page Number: 22
John Palmer 59
Isabela Palmer 51
Elizabeth Palmer 20
Mary A McCardell Granddau. 4
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Possible 1891 census for Patrick & Mary Jane. No ages given for the children.
RG 12/ 4143/ 30/52
42 George Street, Sunderland
Patrick Gardle, head, m, 28, general dealer, Durham, Sunderland
Mary J do, wife, 28, do do
Isabella da, daur, do do
Jane do, daur, do do
George do, son, do do
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1881 census surname CARROLL ??? (same on original entry)
Piece: 4972 Folio: 138 Page Number: 22
Patrick Carroll 48 Ireland coal colliery labourer
Isabell Carroll 40
Patrick Carroll 18
John G. Carroll 16
Nicholas Carroll 13
1891 census surname McARDLE
Piece: 4113 Folio: 117
Patrick McArdle 66 Head Ireland labourer (coal mine)
George McArdle 21 Son Sunderland
Nicholas McArdle 19 Son. ditto
marriage entry as McCARROLL :-\
Registration Sep 1855
Registration District: Sunderland Durham
Volume: 10a Page: 518
Catherine Kelly
Patrick McCarroll
Thomas McDermott
Isabella Palmer
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Jim - Does Patrick McCARDLE's marriage cert to Mary Gray list his father's name??
A family tree on Anc suggests that the family I posted in 1861 migrated to USA pre 1881 and were living there under the name of McCarroll
Kay
Added - 1881 USA https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6K-542
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Possible 1891 census for Patrick & Mary Jane. No ages given for the children.
RG 12/ 4143/ 30/52
42 George Street, Sunderland
Patrick Gardle, head, m, 28, general dealer, Durham, Sunderland
Mary J do, wife, 28, do do
Isabella da, daur, do do
Jane do, daur, do do
George do, son, do do
For info. adding 1901 census Piece: 4723 Folio: 229
Patrick McCardle 38 Sunderland
Mary Jane McCardle 34
Isabella McCardle 16
Jane McCardle 14
George McCardle 12
Mary Ann McCardle 10
Sarah Ann McCardle 8
Joseph McCardle 6
Margaret McCardle 4
Patrick McCardle 2
Nicholas McCardle 7/12
MCCARDLE, NICHOLAS mmn GRAY
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 756
MCCARDLE, PATRICK mmn GRAY
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 692
Edit to add 1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC4-FW9
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re JENB #9
Allowing for the surname difference this 1891 census seems to fit the bill.
We know that Isabella, Jane and George were the first 3 of 13 children born to Patrick and Mary Jane. These 3 plus Joseph, who sadly died shortly after his birth in 1890, were the only ones born prior to the 1891 census. The others all appear on the 1901 and/or the 1911 census'.
Looking at the 1881 info kindly provided and will report back tomorrow.
In the meantime my thanks to everyone who has taken the time to help.
Jim