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Dinah Dean was born abt 1826 in Beeding Sussex. In 1841 she is a servant. I cannot find her in 1851. In 1854 she has a daughter Katherine Jane Elliott, father John Elliott a Coppersmith. Mother Dinah was the informant, from Fishergate Southwick. In 1861 census (C)Katherine and Dinah are living Brighton and she is listed as Widowed, I believe as it is not clear. In 1862 Dinah marries a George Lawson. Her Father stated as Thomas Dean. Katherine marries Frederick William Hill in 1872 and she states father John Elliott deceased occ Brazier.
I cannot find a John Elliott anywhere, there is no obvious birth and no John Elliott on the 1841 or 1851 census stating occupation as a Coppersmith or a Brazier. Also there are no deaths that apply to him, I have looked on the GRO and the ages do not add up. I have searched the census's on the Genealogist and cannot find him.
Any help finding a John Elliott would be appreciated.
Many thanks
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What ties John elliot to Brighton?
Have you found dinah first marriage for his details?
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1862 marriage - what is her status - widow or spinster
Katherine's birth cert - is Dinah shown as Elliott nee Dean or just Dean?
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Banns for Dinah and John Elliot..
Canterbury Cathedral Archives, St Peter & St Paul, Charlton by Dover Kent
John Elliott bachelor and Dinah Dean spinster, botp, 16 Nov, 23 Nov, 30 Nov 1851
GRO marriage reference… 1851 Dover Kent 4 qtr Vol 5 page 216
1851 34 Limekiln Street, St Mary Dover
John Elliott, head, unm, 21, brazier, b. Preston Lancashire.
Jo :)
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Their marriage 7 Dec 1851
John Elliot, 22, bachelor, brazier, resides Charlton, father Thomas Elliott brazier
Dinah Dean, 25, spinster, resides Charlton, father William Dean farmer
Both signed, witnessed by George Rye & Susan? Adams
Jo :)
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Their marriage 7 Dec 1851
John Elliot, 22, bachelor, brazier, resides Charlton, father Thomas Elliott brazier
Dinah Dean, 25, spinster, resides Charlton, father William Dean farmer
Both signed, witnessed by George Rye & Susan? Adams
Jo :)
This is great Jo, and looks like the right one however on her second marriage to George LAwson it states her father is Thomas Dean not William.
Also how would she have been in Kent when she was born in Brighton. Unless she worked there as a servant in 1851, but I cannot find her in the census for that year.
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On Katherines birth certificate is does say mother Dinah Elliott formerly Dean.
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What ties John elliot to Brighton?
Have you found dinah first marriage for his details?
I just assumed he came from Brighton but have not detail on him at all, apart from his occupation.
This was the first marriage to John Elliott second marriage is to George Lawson. But I will order the marriage certificate I think.
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Have you seen reply above - John Elliott was from Preston Lancs
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Have you seen reply above - John Elliott was from Preston Lancs
Yes CaroleW I did and think I replied. I am not sure if this is the one as Dinah father was Thomas as stated when she married her second husband George Lawson, not William.
I still cannot find her in any 1951 census's either. :)
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Only a death of a John Elliott to to consider
John was 21 when he married in 1851 so approx 24 c 1853. Brighton was known as Brighthelmston in the nineteenth century. I know Katharine Jane's birth was registered mq 1854 but it is possible she was born some time in the dq 1853
Death
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in BRIGHTHELMSTON Volume 02B Page 149 aged 24
There are also some newspaper reports on (FindMyPast) in March 1853 that I cannot access re the deaths of 3 men at the Brighton terminus, one being a John Elliott.
John
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Father of Dinah recorded as Thomas on her baptism.
Dinah Dean
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Christening24 March 1826
Upper Beeding, Sussex, England, United Kingdom
Father:Thomas Dean
Mother:Catharine Dean
John
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Death
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in BRIGHTHELMSTON Volume 02B Page 149 aged 24
There are also some newspaper reports on (FindMyPast) in March 1853 that I cannot access re the deaths of 3 men at the Brighton terminus, one being a John Elliott.
John
These articles refer to a John Elliott, a fireman on the train, all three who died were said to be single.
John could possibly have died sometime after 1859……. there is birth of an Annie Louisa Elliott, mmn Dean, GRO 1859 Brighton, 4qtr, vol 02B, page 198, her death appears to be registered same place in 1860. I can’t see a baptism but would suggest accessing her birth details to see if she is a sibling of Katherine Jane?
As to marriage record, is it possible that the priest transposed the father’s names? Maybe William is John’s father name?
Jo :)
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jomcd967, thank you for kicking that possibility into touch.
John
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Thomas Dean m. Katherine Budd 6 May 1821, Upper Beeding.
Children: (all baptised Upper Beeding)
Sarah bp 23/12/1821
Thomas bp 15/2/1824
Dinah bp 24/3/1826
Pheno