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Title: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kessa on Tuesday 16 November 21 04:15 GMT (UK)
Some of the parish entries I've found for my family at Rodmarton in the early 1700s state they were "of Four Mile Bottom".  Would anyone know where this is? 
I've searched Google with no results and some of the Library of Scotland digital maps again without success.  I've noticed Jacament's Bottom on the maps and wondered if this would be the same place?
Thanks
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 November 21 05:22 GMT (UK)
Looking at this site it refers to a Four Mile stone being located near to Jacament's Bottom so I wonder if the Four Mile Bottom might be a located adjacent to the stone??  https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Journals_of_the_House_of_Commons/ZRlDAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Four+Mile+Bottom+tetbury+road&pg=PA642&printsec=frontcover

When googling have seen a mention of Four Mile Cottages on the Tetbury Road.

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 November 21 05:33 GMT (UK)
This map shows a nearby mile stone 4 miles from Cirencester  :-\  https://maps.nls.uk/view/101454222#zoom=5&lat=4467&lon=7372&layers=BT

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 November 21 05:44 GMT (UK)
The stone appears to be shown as 4 on this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/101168585#zoom=7&lat=7967&lon=2820&layers=BT

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kessa on Tuesday 16 November 21 05:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much for your replies Kay.  My only worry is that the four mile stone appears to be in the parish of Coates, not Rodmarton.  But I suppose they could have lived there and had the children baptised at Rodmarton.  What is interesting is that the matriarch of the family in the early 1700s was called Jacament.
Do you know what the term "Bottom" means besides the obvious one?
Thanks
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 November 21 06:18 GMT (UK)
I thought it might refer to a low lying meadow  :-\

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 November 21 06:24 GMT (UK)
Also found this reference  -  a bottom - in geographical terms - simply derives from the Old English for broad river valley or valley floor   https://getoutside.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/guides/bottoms-pants-twatts-weird-british-place-names/

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 November 21 06:42 GMT (UK)
"The Icknield Way" by A L Collins has this reference on page 22:

"There is a “Welsh Lane” in the Cotswolds turning out of the Gloucester road, three or four miles from Cirencester, and going up the hill by Four Mile Bottom towards Barnsley"
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 November 21 07:47 GMT (UK)
I think this is the Welsh Lane/Way referred to - to the north of Cirencester  https://maps.nls.uk/view/101453808#zoom=4&lat=2183&lon=5184&layers=BT

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kessa on Wednesday 17 November 21 05:28 GMT (UK)
Looks like there was more than one Four Mile Bottom.  I don't think the Barnsley one is the one I am interested in.  Too far from Rodmarton.
Thanks Kay for all your input, it is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kay99 on Wednesday 17 November 21 05:36 GMT (UK)
You are welcome Kessa.   I always find geographical problems fascinating  ;D

Kay
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: StintonLomas on Wednesday 24 November 21 17:07 GMT (UK)
Using Gmaps Jackaments Bottom is 5.6 mls from Tetbury and 6 mls from Cirencester.
Looking at an old map though Jakaments Bottom appears to be only about 4.5 mls from Cirencester.
Given that they are the 2 most likely places in the area to have a mileage reference stone, I would think 4ml  bottom stone could be 1.5 ml nearer to Tetbury or 2 ml nearer Cirencester
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Brentor boy on Wednesday 24 November 21 18:25 GMT (UK)
The point at which the lane to Rodmarton leaves the A433, Tetbury to Cirencester road, is almost exactly 4 miles from Tetbury. The road here is at a low point, compared with most of the rest of the route, and I imagine, before modern highway construction,  may well have  provided difficult passsge during inclement weather, hence attracting an unofficial  identification.

PS.  It appears to be at the bottom of a stretch of road named as Haresdown Hill from Cirencester and then climbs up again towards Tetbury.
Title: Re: Looking for Four Mile Bottom at Rodmarton
Post by: Kessa on Thursday 25 November 21 08:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you, I feel that Brentor Boy has nailed it as the family next lived at Culkerton which is close to the four mile distance location. 

Thanks to everyone for their interest.