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I have been looking into a friends family but am stuck on Anne. The first record I have on her is her marriage in Sydney Australia to John George Pickering in 1866 . I then have her in Wales on the 81 census and looking at the births of all their children they travelled alot as John was in the military.
On the census she puts born 1845 Dublin but I cannot find anything for her ,ancestry has given me a hint of a prison record for a Anne Butler in Dublin aged 14 and looking at others this Anne Butler was in prison a lot from the aged of 11 for begging :(
Could this be her and she was possibly transported ? I dont have access to world wide records so any help would be really aappreciated
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given that her husband was in the Royal Artillery, it could be a military link
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-X57Z
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You need to see this marriage certificate. It will record age, address, birthplace for Annie. It will record parents name, father's occupation, names of witnesses.
NSW BDM https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?14
430/1866 PICKERING John G marr. BUTLER Annie @ Sydney
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Your dates are too late for transportation, it had ended by then.
I can see an Ann BUTLER arriving as a domestic servant in 1865 aged 17 with two other BUTLER girls who were not sisters but were related as they share common relatives who were already living in Sydney. This Ann named her parents as Michael and Mary and she was from 'Tullabrien' in Kilkenny. I cannot determine what this placename is supposed to be. She was Roman Catholic.
Debra :)
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According to the census data, Ann was born in Dublin about 1844. As has already been posted, she was not a convict. She may have been the daughter of someone in the military, as it was fairly common for a soldier to marry a soldier’s daughter. Maybe have a look for any military Butlers in Sydney?
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This Ann named her parents as Michael and Mary and she was from 'Tullabrien' in Kilkenny. I cannot determine what this placename is supposed to be. She was Roman Catholic.
Maybe Tullowbrin townland, Rathcoole civil parish, Gowran barony, Kilkenny Poor Law Union, County Kilkenny.
https://www.swilson.info/placesrch.php
Linked R.C. parish St. John, Ossory diocese. Post town Kilkenny
https://www.swilson.info/rcparishlink.php
St. John, Kilkenny City registers at National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0991
Although the above was probably a different Ann Butler, as I see that Ann's birthplace was Dublin according to census.
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The military record of the marriage is on ancestry 19 May 1866, John George was a corporal, it does not list parents. The witnesses are Emma Taylor and R Pickering.
Perhaps if there is a civilian record it will have more detail.
Military entries for some of the children
Caroline Elizabeth born 14 February 1867 Sydney Australia F. Corporal
George Robert born 16 January 1869 Gibraltar. f. corporal
John Thomas born 26 July 1871 Gibraltar. f. sergeant
Anne Jane born 9 October 1873 Gibraltar. f Battery Sgt. Major
Elizabeth born 26 July 1875 Gravesend Kent. F. Battery Sgt. Major (civil registration at Orsett 1875)
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His parents are George and Caroline. So could her parents be Robert and Elizabeth? ref first 2 children.
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John George Pickering 18927 attested as John Brotherton and subsequently changed his name:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f3653%2f105%2f002
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His mothers maiden name was Brotherton. ( I got side tracked)
1841 census Wellington Street
Maria Pickering 35
George 1 (bap George William Watson Pickering)
Caroline Pickering 25
Mary 4
John 7 months (reg John George 1840 mmn Brotherton)
William Pickering married Maria Brotherton 31 August 1828 All Saints Northampton. Witness Thomas Pickering and Mary Ann Brotherton.
Maria dies 1842 age 38.
1851 census still on Wellington Street-William Pickering 43 Boot maker, Jane 33, George 11.
George Pickering married Caroline Brotherton 26 October 1834 St Giles . Witness John Brotherton.
and Ann Owen.
1851 they have moved to St Pancras
George Pickering 39 born Kettering - Currier
Caroline 39 born Maidstone Kent
Mary Ann 13 born Haseborough Leicestershire
Thomas 10 born Northants (joins the military pensioned out 1880)
Robert D 6 born St Martin's MDX (he joins the Military pensioned out 1870 dies 1873 Kettering age 28. Bap Robert David Brotherton Pickering born 7 May 1844.)
Caroline 3 born St Pancras
I think Maria and Caroline could be sisters. Maria died 1842 and George and Caroline name a daughter Maria 1843 she died age 5 in 1848.
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The NSW BDM has 19 May 1866 for that marriage. I can see that the Military record has the Rev as John REID. Likely that would be Rev John REID of the Scots Church, Sydney. So likely a Presbyterian marriage, and probably at the Scots Church which stood in Sydney CBD until it was demolished in the 1920s to make way for the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
My transcription of the Military record which is all in the one hand, likely the Adjutant:
15th Brigade of the Royal Regiment of Artillery
Registry of Marriages, page 16, entry 2.
Corporal John George PICKERING, Bachelor,
Annie BUTLER, Spinster,
married 19 May 1866, by Rev John REID
R Pickering and Taylor Emma, witnesses
May I mention that it is possible that there is scant further information to be found on the civil registration of that marriage. The Presbyterian Church was one of the many denominations that were in a very long dispute with the secular administrative bods at the Registrar Generals Office, and for about four decades only summary information was submitted by the clergy to the BDM. The clergy usually recorded the full information required by the relevant NSW BDM Marriage Acts, but hesitated in providing all that depth of detail to the civil authorities. Civil registration commenced in NSW in 1856. The dispute was not resolved until the mid 1890s. So, please do NOT waste your pennies on ordering the 'real deal' certificate from the NSW BDM - but ... the best 'work around' is usually to order an official transcription from one of the official transcription agents. They often have 'specials' at this time of the year, so for about $20 Au or less you could get all the info that is on the actual real deal certificate, but without the fancy watermark certification.
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JM