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Title: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Thursday 25 November 21 09:07 GMT (UK)
Hi all
I am looking for the above person pre 1881 please. I have just got his marriage cert to an Elizabeth Lewis m/n Ferber in 1882, but i am still having no luck with this guy, different variations of his surname are not helping either. Please can anyone find him for me and stop me going crazy xx
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: amondg on Thursday 25 November 21 09:31 GMT (UK)
The certificate says Florence Lewis nee Ferber.

Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Thursday 25 November 21 10:26 GMT (UK)
Sorry my fault, yes its Florence not Elizabeth duh !!
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: Brentor boy on Thursday 25 November 21 10:39 GMT (UK)
Something rather strange.
Free Reg. Baptism. St Mary, Cardiff. 1 Jun 1856. Florence Ferber. Parents Victor and Elizabeth.

1891. William Symonds. 36. Baker. Born Monmouthshire. Florence, 35. Born Monmouthshire. Living with children, Hewell Street, Canton, Glam. Ref. RG 12.  Piece/folio 4401/4. Page 4
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Thursday 25 November 21 10:59 GMT (UK)
Hi and thanks for your help
It is a strange one your correct, i have the original thread on the West Yorkshire forum under 'Albert Victor Pointing', but figured i had better put this latest elusive person (William Symmonds) under the Wales forum as that was where he married Florence Lewis. (Furber).  She was previously married to a John Lewis in 1878, had a child called David Lewis in 1881 and then married the above William Symmonds in 1882. I have no idea what happened to her previous husband or son David. Then in 1891 Florence was 'living' with a John Henry Pointing (Henry Poynter) in Brecknock in Wales. She had changed all the Symmonds childrens surname to Pointing, and she was also Poynter at this time. My family line is from the Victor Augustine Symmonds , the child she had with William above in 1888. Victor Augustine Symmonds later changed his name to Albert Victor Pointing, which was my original thread in West Yorkshire as i couldnt find him, not knowing then he had changed his name. He is with his mother Florence and Henry Pointing in 1891 under the name of Victor Pointing. I want to follow the Symmonds name now as Albert Victor wasnt born a Pointing as the family thought, and Symmonds was his birth name. Hope that all makes sense. Like i put earlier the original thread under Albert Victor Pointing is on the West Yorkshire forum which may help x
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: ColC on Thursday 25 November 21 11:09 GMT (UK)
Williamís birth year is way out on this 1891 census but it is the only one I can find, which is probably why I could not find him earlier.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:414W-ZZM

Still there in 1911.


Colin
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Thursday 25 November 21 11:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Colin
Would you possibly be able to put the link to William in 1911 please, im getting excited now as you may have found him, i thought he may have died but if hes still at the same address in 1911 i was totally wrong xx
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: ColC on Thursday 25 November 21 13:10 GMT (UK)
I apologise, I thought I had the 1911 but different family. GRO was down earlier; I have now found three of the childrenís registrations, no Wm Hy? 
They were noted as born Monmouthshire in 1891 so that was incorrect, therefore the other information on the census may also be so. As far as I can see no registration for William senior in Monmouthshire 1838 to 1855?

This looks likely to be Florence.
   FERBER, FLORENCE       CHURCH 
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 239

SIMMONDS, FLORENCE       FERBER 
GRO Reference: 1886  S Quarter in CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 335

SYMONDS, VICTOR  AUGUSTINE     FERBER 
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in BRECKNOCK  Volume 11B  Page 98

SYMONDS, ELIZABETH       FERBER 
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 334

Did you find William on the 1881 census?


Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Thursday 25 November 21 19:58 GMT (UK)
Hi
No i havent found William Symonnds on the 1881 census, i cant read his address on the marriage cert very well, it looks like Knole but im not sure. Its so frustrating as he is there somewhere but with the different surname spellings im not sure what to put in the search engine for him. You would think a Baker would be fairly easy to find, but nope he isnt x
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: Brentor boy on Thursday 25 November 21 21:14 GMT (UK)
There is a "Knole Street", Grange(town), Cardiff.
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 25 November 21 21:49 GMT (UK)
For info - here's the previous thread which has led us to William and Florence, to save duplication

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854973.0
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 25 November 21 23:28 GMT (UK)


For marriage certificate, 30 Aug 1882, what names do you see for witnesses?
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Friday 26 November 21 08:34 GMT (UK)
Hi wivenho
Please see attached for the witnesses
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 26 November 21 09:52 GMT (UK)
Possible?

1891 William is born Marshfield;

Bit of googling;

Marshfield is an electoral ward and smaller village and community of Newport, Wales
The village sits approximately 5 miles southwest of Newport, and 7 miles northeast of Cardiff.

Bapt;
18 Dec 1844, St Paul, Newport
WILLIAM Symonds son of WILLIAM/MARIA Symonds
Father a Labourer
Abode Newport


Not much help as cant find them 1851 Census.
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: ColC on Friday 26 November 21 10:49 GMT (UK)
I think this might be the 1851 Trish?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGT2-GJF

I discounted it for some reason but I have seen so many possibilities for William I may have lost track. I will have another look.

Colin
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Friday 26 November 21 17:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that, ill go see if it adds up as well xx
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Friday 26 November 21 17:18 GMT (UK)
Just looking at the witnesses on the marriage certificate and i dont know if its any use, but Clara Ferber (Florences sister) was actually living at 50 Knole Street in 1881, sadly Florence isnt with them, but William Symmonds was living at 43 knole street on the 1882 wedding cert, theres got to be something in that surely, i think William is getting closer lol x
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: ColC on Friday 26 November 21 17:43 GMT (UK)

This looks like the GRO for the posted by Trish

SIMMONS, WILLIAM       SINGER 
GRO Reference: 1844  D Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 26  Page 110

SIMMONS, ROBERT       SINGER 
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 26  Page 129

SIMMONS, ROBERT    death   0 
GRO Reference: 1849  M Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 26  Page 85

SIMMONS, MARIA       death age 55 
GRO Reference: 1864  D Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 11A  Page 127

I cannot find a census in 1861.


Colin
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: ColC on Friday 26 November 21 17:47 GMT (UK)
Assuming the family is the one on the 1851 census, there are a couple of strange records on freereg, so not sure if the is the Mary Anne in 1851, is the fathers name incorrect I wonder.

Mary Anne SYMONS   Baptism   19 Nov 1837   Somerset   Bath: St Michael
Parents Samuel a Currier & Maria

Then another child not on 1851 census, not the same mother.

Henry William SIMONS   Baptism   09 Jun 1839   Somerset   Bath: Bath Abbey
Parents William a Post Boy & Mary?

SIMONS, HENRY  WILLIAM  birth    KING 
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in BATH  Volume 11  Page 8

SIMONS, HENRY  WILLIAM  death   2 
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in BATH  Volume 11  Page 7

So was William senior married twice?

Colin
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 27 November 21 01:12 GMT (UK)
That is all very possible, thanks Colin :)
Title: Re: Looking for William Symmonds born 1842ish
Post by: worth on Saturday 27 November 21 15:08 GMT (UK)
thanks for your help everybody, im going to check it all out now xx