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Title: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: rogerwill on Friday 26 November 21 02:22 GMT (UK)
I have a marriage certificate for Bloomah Frankel from January 1873, which notes she was married at Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton, Birmingham. I'd like to find out more about Bedford House, who lived there, etc, but am having trouble finding Highfield Road on the 1871 English census. It wasn't either of the parties to the marriage or the witnesses apparently. Can anyone help? Thanks.

Roger
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 26 November 21 02:41 GMT (UK)
Highfield Rd appears on the 1871 census at Edgbaston, Kings Norton. RG10/3082

From the description of the Enumeration District:
"Part of the Parish of Edgbaston, comprising New Bridge St, Enfield Place, George Rd, Bridge Rd to Bridge, Frederick Place ... Harbourne Rd, Highfield Rd, Islington Row."
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 26 November 21 02:55 GMT (UK)
As is so often the case when I look at a map, what I'm looking for is on the join of 2 maps.  ::) Bedford House shown here in 1882 just off the map, I can't seem to find the adjoining map from this time.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101597729

(top, centre/right hand side)
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 26 November 21 03:44 GMT (UK)
You can scroll around this one Maddy:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17.757660520053737&lat=52.47017&lon=-1.92410&layers=168&right=ESRIWorld

Unfortunately Bedford House is not marked though. It’s times like this I miss old-maps.co.uk.   :-\
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 26 November 21 05:01 GMT (UK)
In 1871 Bloomah Frankel age 30 was living as a niece in Edgbaston with Myer Myers age 70 born Prussia and his family  His wife Rebecca's maiden name was Frankel

Using Anc trees - in 1871 and 1881  I think Myer's son Maurice Myers was living at 5 Highfield Road as shown below in 1881

Maurice   Myers   54   Manufacturer of steel pens   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Matilda   Myers   48   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Lilla   Myers 23   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Adolphe   Myers 20   Clerk for firm   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Leopold   Myers   18   Civil engineer   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Alice   Myers 12   Birmingham, Warwickshire

Looking at the maps Maddy and Ruskie posted and looked at the approximate area on Streetview I noticed this blue plaque on the present day Highfield Nursery https://openplaques.org/plaques/1611 that refers to the property being 3-4 Highfield Road.

I wonder whether as Maurice Myers was living at 5 Highfield House between 1871-1881 which would be just the south of present day Highfield Nursery that this was also Bedford House and Bloomah was living with this relative when she married  :-\

Kay
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: rogerwill on Friday 26 November 21 12:27 GMT (UK)
Thanks Maddy, Ruskie and Kay for your helpful contributions to this puzzle. I think Kay is probably right with the suggestion that Bedford House in  Maurice Myers home  at 5  Highfield Road. Now finding him on the census 1851 through to 1881, I see no mention of 'Bedford House' and no mention of  it in the Street Directories either, but  the  first map confirms its rough  location.

Roger
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 26 November 21 13:59 GMT (UK)
Sometimes census addresses can be written slightly differently in different censuses, even if the family are living that the same address. Follow the enumerator’s walk, look at neighbouring addresses, and try to track it on a map, which might clarify.  :)

Some lovely houses on that road. Would have been even nicer in 1871.  ;D
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: klewis on Saturday 27 November 21 10:33 GMT (UK)
Bedford House is marked on the 1:500 Town Plan here:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=52.47130&lon=-1.92650&layers=117746211&right=osm (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=52.47130&lon=-1.92650&layers=117746211&right=osm)

Kathryn
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 27 November 21 10:58 GMT (UK)
Abraham Nerwich died there in 1875, aged 80

https://tinyurl.com/ykhj47yh
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 27 November 21 11:17 GMT (UK)
This just confirms that Bedford House was 5 Highfield Road in 1875:

Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 27 November 21 11:33 GMT (UK)
1872 Kellys lists Abraham Nerwich at 5 Highfield Road so he must have moved there shortly after the 1871 census.
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 27 November 21 11:39 GMT (UK)
1872 Kellys lists Abraham Nerwich at 5 Highfield Road so he must have moved there shortly after the 1871 census.

I think he was the occupant's Maurice Myer's father-in-law

Kay
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: rogerwill on Saturday 27 November 21 17:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this latest. Kathryn, it was good to see the map confirm the  exact location.  I took a walk around  the  area and the house is demolished and replaced with a modern building. Shaun and  Kay thanks too for  the  link to Maurice's  father in law  and  the added confirmation. I think this wraps up this query for me. My thanks  to  all.

Roger
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 28 November 21 07:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this latest. Kathryn, it was good to see the map confirm the  exact location.  I took a walk around  the  area and the house is demolished and replaced with a modern building. Shaun and  Kay thanks too for  the  link to Maurice's  father in law  and  the added confirmation. I think this wraps up this query for me. My thanks  to  all.

Roger

I’m not sure about that Roger. The red brick ‘thing’ on the corner has fairly recently been squeezed in. No 5 has definitely undergone some serious alterations, but the bones of the original building might still be there under the awful and unsympathetic modernisations. (Would need to have a look inside to know for sure.)

It would have been a very lovely street when your ancestors lived there.
Title: Re: Bedford House on Highfield Road, King’s Norton?
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 28 November 21 07:46 GMT (UK)
Bedford House is marked on the 1:500 Town Plan here:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=52.47130&lon=-1.92650&layers=117746211&right=osm (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=52.47130&lon=-1.92650&layers=117746211&right=osm)

Kathryn

Amazing map Kathryn.  :)