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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Penholder on Monday 06 December 21 21:21 GMT (UK)
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I know that Samuel BRAMMAN married Mary BROOKER at St. Mark's Church on 5th June 1865. The information comes from a transcript on Find my Past.
If anyone is able to look up the entry in the register and give me the rest of the information (fathers' names, ages, occupation, witnesses etc) I'd be extremely grateful.
Diana
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Not this marriage entry?
Jun 1865 Nottingham
Mary Ann Barrows
Samuel Bramman
Mary Ann Dalglass
Thomas Gardner
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No, not according to the Nottinghamshire Marriages Index on FindMyPast although I did get Mary's surname slighly wrong - it was BOOKER and not Brooker.
Apart from the marriage being on FindMyPast I know it's right because I have a DNA match with some of Samuel & Mary's descendants in the USA. I'm trying to work out the exact connection. They don't fit into my research as it currently stands ...
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Do you have the couple in the 1871 census?
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Having gone back to my notes, maybe I can fit them into what I know about the BRAMMAN family, but I need Samuel's father's name to be sure, so would still appreciate the look-up
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I think he's the one b 1842.
Not tge earlier Samuel James bramman..
As its an index, you need to ID the church to see if it's online at all.
Marriage-locator.co,uk
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Hi Milliepede
Samuel & Mary were definitely in the US by 1870. I haven't found an immigration record and there's nothing in any of the US trees to show when they arrived.
There was a Samuel James BRAMMAN, who married Matilda Ann HINDLEY in 1856. I can see them in 1871.
I'll carry on looking but it's really Samuel's father's name that I need to make the connection.
Diana
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I know the church is St. Mark's. I can't find anything online other than the transcript on FindMyPast, which doesn't give the names of the fathers.
Diana
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Just to clarify, Samuel James BRAMMAN who married Matilda Ann HINDLEY and features in the UK 1871 census is definitely part of my extended family. He's also definitely not the person I'm trying to identify, who was called Samuel BRAMMAN. I know the family was in the US on 26th December 1870 because that's when their daughter Ellen was born in Philadelphia.
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If all else fails you can always order a copy of the marriage certificate.
I see there were two Bramman/Booker birth registrations before 1871 which I'm sure you know about. Alice 1867 & Richard Henry 1866.
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Yes, thank you.
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Penholder, is this the man you are trying to find out who his parents are
1861 uk census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7D8-98X
1870 us census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ5D-DBT
1880 us census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWV9-H1B
John
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Hi johnhood
Yes, he's the man.
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The reason for asking is that in 1870 Alice is recorded as being born in the usa but in 1880 born England. Was Alice's birth registration in Birmingham in 1867 ??
John
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Is this Samuel and Mary grave.
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Samuel-Bramman/30501332
John
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Yes, Alice was born in Birmingham and so was her brother Richard Henry. He died in 1867 before the family emigrated.
Mary and her son Samuel (born 1879) seem to have visited England in 1881 as I can see that they returned to the US via New York in 1881. Mary gave birth to Charles Henry BRAMMAN in Nottingham in Q3 1885. The 1900 US Federal Census shows him with the family in America and says he immigrated there in 1887.
I had never imagined people did that much travelling in those days. it's ironic I can find out so much about them but can't find Samuel's baptism or birth registration.
I know I can get a marriage certificate but would prefer not to have the expense as they're not my direct line. On the other hand, knowing the identity of Samuel's father might help break down a brick wall.
Diana
PS. The grave is the right one.
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Diana, I'm only posting this as a last minuet offering as I'm flying to Canada early tomorrow. You say the Samuel James who married Matilda you know about, he was born c1816 and died 1894, his occupation a lace maker.
I found this 1851 census ref 2130 188 12 for a John Bramman with wife and children, one of whom is a Samuel James Bramman born dq 1839 mmn King. Do not have time to further research but the other children are
John Bramman dq 1837 mmn King
Samuel James Bramman dq 1839 mmn King
Eliza Hollingworth FRANCIS jq 1840 mmn Hollingworth
Elizabeth Billings Bramman sq 1843 mmn King
Lettice Parker Bramman jq 1851 mmn Hollingworth
John
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Samuel James BRAMMAN was the half brother of my great grandmother. He was born in 1839, parents John BRAMMAN & Senna KING, and married Matilda Ann HINDLEY. Senna died and John BRAMMAN acquired a second 'wife' Eliza HOLLINGWORTH, who is my 2 x great grandmother. That is the family you found in 1851 and I have them all documented. The spelling of the surname varied and was sometimes recorded as BRAMMER. For instance I found Samuel and Matilda as James & Matilda BRAMMER in 1861. I know they're the right people because the children tally with their birth registrations.
The Samuel BRAMMAN I'm interested in is a different person. My brother and I both have 4th - 6th cousin matches with one of his descendants in America. If I can establish the identity of his father I hope to be a step closer to confirming that my paper trail is correct. The father of this Samuel BRAMMAN will most likely be the brother or cousin of John BRAMMAN above.
I think the easiest thing will be to order the marriage certificate. Thank you very much for your interest and help and have a great time in Canada.
Diana
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Thanks Diana, if you have the pennies order the marriage cert, BUT do let us all know the outcome please. Must get some sleep.
John
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Diana, am I missing something here? Was Samuel James only 17 when he married Matilda in 1856, as by the 1871 census he is recorded as aged 56 = c1815 but should be around 33
John (from the airport)
Added, is it possible that it was Samuel James c1816 married Matilda in 1856, and that the marriage in 1865 is the son of John c 1808 who could well be a brother of Samuel James c1816
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It looks like I need more info on both marriages. It will have to wait until I'm next able to go to Nottingham and look everything up for myself...
Many thanks for your help.
Diana