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Title: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 01 January 22 03:06 GMT (UK)
Happy New Year to all.  Mat 2022 be better than the last two years.   

 My last post was on James Nelson. Completed.  Now I’m trying to find a son of James so not sure if I enter a new Topic or go back.  I know what your thinking 😬.  But persistence usually pays in the long term.  I hope.   I’m having trouble trying to find the birth mother of Leslie Nelson  born 1898 South Australia.  He married Hazel May Brown  St Mary Magdalene  Adelaide.  They had a son Jack Nelson  born 1925. Died 1993.  Jack had a sister Marjorie Jean Nelson.  B 1928. D 2007.
On Leslie Nelson’s marriage certificate it states James Nelson as father. Mary Donovan. Mother.  What I have found out is Mary Donovan May not be his birth mother.  I was told by a family member that Les Nelson’s mother was a Grigg.    I sent for a birth certificate for Leslie Nelson only to find there is no record of a Leslie Nelson with that birth date or parent. 
Also there is another son George Nelson. Born around 1890.  But once again his background is a mystery.  I did find however that George was a William George Nelson. Who had a son William George Nelson. B 1911. South Australua.    These brothers were my grandmothers brothers.  Flora Nelson. Born 1881 Adelaide. South Australia   My apologies for causing you all to scream.  Sincerely.  Dalek.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 01 January 22 03:11 GMT (UK)
 Leslie Nelson.  P S. there is a record on Ancestry that Leslie Nelson is on a members tree. Grigg / Atkins. But I am not a member of Ancestry.  Dalek.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 01 January 22 03:36 GMT (UK)
He married Hazel May Brown  St Mary Magdalene  Adelaide....On Leslie Nelson’s marriage certificate it states James Nelson as father. Mary Donovan. Mother. 

As far as I am aware, SA marriage certificates for that time period do not give a mother's name, only the father.

Debra  :D
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 01 January 22 04:02 GMT (UK)
The last child indexed born to James NELSON and Mary (Jane) DONOVAN in SA was in 1887, their older daughters were in their 20's in 1898.

Leslie Nelson.  P S. there is a record on Ancestry that Leslie Nelson is on a members tree. Grigg / Atkins. But I am not a member of Ancestry.  Dalek.

I cannot get any results for this to come up at all, perhaps someone else can.

Debra  :D
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: wivenhoe on Saturday 01 January 22 05:03 GMT (UK)



Are you looking at this marriage certificate, South Australia, 1925?. Are you repeating information about the certificate, as told to you by someone?

"On Leslie Nelson’s marriage certificate it states James Nelson as father. Mary Donovan"

If you are researching the origins of this Leslie NELSON, you need to see his marriage certificate.

Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: wivenhoe on Saturday 01 January 22 05:26 GMT (UK)


The Advertiser (Adelaide) 30 Oct 1950 p16
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/45665684?

Death notice for Leslie NELSON, widower of Hazel....children named.

Brother of George, Pops and Nance.

West Terrace Cemetery.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Saturday 01 January 22 05:29 GMT (UK)



Are you looking at this marriage certificate, South Australia, 1925?. Are you repeating information about the certificate, as told to you by someone?

"On Leslie Nelson’s marriage certificate it states James Nelson as father. Mary Donovan"

If you are researching the origins of this Leslie NELSON, you need to see his marriage certificate.

Hi Wivenhoe,

I have previously typed up the details from that 1925 marriage and provided a  link to the image.  It is on a recent thread.  I am presently unable to copy a live link across to this current thread but I am  confident you can easily find it with that clue.

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Saturday 01 January 22 06:15 GMT (UK)
1925 Marriage as posted in the earlier thread that Dalek kindly mentioned in her opening post on this thread.

Image of Leslie's marriage with Hazel is available online here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCV-N96

24th January 1925
Leslie NELSON aged 26, born Adelaide South Australia, a Bachelor, a Glass Worker, residing Adelaide, father as James NELSON, and Hazel May BROWN aged 21, born Mr Crawford, South Australia, Spinster, Domestic duties, residing Adelaide, father as Charles Stanley BROWN were married by Rev Edward Young, at the Church of S. Mary Magdalene in the district of Adelaide.  The official witnesses were: T Pilbin, glass worker of Evandale and C E Brown, Home duty of Adelaide.  All signed.


JM

Please note there is not any provision on the image for details on the mother of either the bride or groom.

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Saturday 01 January 22 07:14 GMT (UK)
I apologise if I am duplicating information posted on other threads, but I think these three cuttings belong together.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/59714172 The Mail 17 Jan 1925 announcing the pending BROWN-NELSON marriage. 

BROWN —NELSON. —The marriage of Hazel May, the second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. C. S. Brown, Paringa (late Wiliamstown), to Leslie, second son of Mrs. and the late Mr. James Nelson, Queen street, Adelaide, will be celebrated at St. Mary Magdalene, Moore street, on January 24, 7.30 p.m. Relatives and friends cordially invited to ceremony. No reception.

So Leslie was the second son  and his mother was alive and residing Queen St Adelaide when James (her husband, his father) died.   Leslie's father had died in July 1924 as per the following cutting :

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/59025260 The Register 30 July 1924, 
late James NELSON of 11 Queen St, City for West Terrace Cemetery.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/73800787 The Advertiser 26 May 1930 
late Mrs Mary Nelson, 11 Queen St City for West Terrace Cemetery

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Saturday 01 January 22 07:24 GMT (UK)
Re the New Zealand connection


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/74295252 The Advertiser, 27 March 1926

DONOVAN.—On the 16th March, at Christchurch, NZ., Harry, beloved husband of Florence Donovan, father of Norman, Inez, Nola, son-in-law of Mrs. Nelson, Queen-street—Inserted by his sorrowing sister-in-law, Mrs. West, Charlotte street.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19260319.2.4  Press 19 March 1926

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 01 January 22 11:45 GMT (UK)
What I have found out is Mary Donovan May not be his birth mother.  I was told by a family member that Les Nelson’s mother was a Grigg.

Leslie Nelson.  P S. there is a record on Ancestry that Leslie Nelson is on a members tree. Grigg / Atkins. But I am not a member of Ancestry.  Dalek.

GRIGG was the maiden surname of Hazel's mother.

Hazel May BROWN
Birth Date:    4 May 1903
Birth Place:    Mount Crawford
Registration Place:    Crawford, South Australia, Australia
Father:    Charles Stanley BROWN
Mother:    Eva May GRIGG

Perhaps some stories have been mixed up.

Debra  :D

Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 01 January 22 19:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for your input.  I have seen the newspaper cuttings. I also saw another Brother George Nelson. B 1890. Turned out he was William George Nelson. Leslie Nelson’s brother.  These brothers were my grandmothers brothers but not much was know about them.  My information was mainly from  Rootschat. Ancestry. South Aust. BDM.  And other documents.   What I found strange is I sent off for a Birth Certificate for Leslie Nelson  born 1898  giving fathers name and received back no known person registered in that name with those details.   I realise that not all births were recorded, but having seen a record of  Leslie Nelson with mother Grigg it made me think.was he adopted or ??  As James and Mary were in there mid fifties when the first son was born.  To have a second after that is questionable.   Nothing is impossible. But one wonders.  That’s what I’m trying to find.  I have all the data on marriage. Deaths etc from my grandmothers diary     This Nelson family has a lot of mystery.  🙄🌺❤️
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 01 January 22 19:04 GMT (UK)
One interesting thing. On Family Search  there is on his record. “ this person does not exist”.  I don’t know who put that there.  🙄
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 01 January 22 19:10 GMT (UK)
 Re Leslie Nelson.  My grandmother was the last surviving child born to James And Mary Nelson.  She was born in 1881. Adelaide.  There was a son after that but he died at eight months.  Henry  Nelson.   My great grandmother was born in 1844. London.  And James was born in 1841.  Ireland.  Makes the well into their middle age when these brothers were born with a gap of ten years
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 02 January 22 03:08 GMT (UK)
......but having seen a record of  Leslie Nelson with mother Grigg.....

As already mentioned, GRIGG was the maiden surname of Hazel's mother, not Leslie's.

I think it is highly likely that Leslie was not the biological child of James and Mary Jane.

As a matter of interest, there was a birth registered in Adelaide for a Leslie SMITH, son of Catherine SMITH, no father named. The date of birth is the same as Leslie NELSON - 15 Apr 1898.

Debra  :D
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Sunday 02 January 22 03:12 GMT (UK)
Excellent find Debra.   I had set myself a task for tomorrow evening.   ::) ::)

JM.

......but having seen a record of  Leslie Nelson with mother Grigg.....

As already mentioned, GRIGG was the maiden surname of Hazel's mother, not Leslie's.

I think it is highly likely that Leslie was not the biological child of James and Mary Jane.

As a matter of interest, there was a birth registered in Adelaide for a Leslie SMITH, son of Catherine SMITH, no father named. The date of birth is the same as Leslie NELSON - 15 Apr 1898.

Debra  :D
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 02 January 22 03:59 GMT (UK)
I also saw another Brother George Nelson. B 1890. Turned out he was William George Nelson.

Where did you find that his name was 'William George'?  His school admission records show a date of birth as 9 Jan 1889.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-K75P

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-KSWN

I don't know how reliable this date would be as Flora's is all over the place.  She was born on 3 Oct 1881, but school admissions give the date as 3 Oct 1882 and 3 Oct 1883.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-K9G3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-K9RM

Debra  :D
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Monday 03 January 22 02:53 GMT (UK)
Debra.  Thank you for your help .very grateful mdear.     I know it’s confusing. Sorry, but I have different dates as well.  Firstly…Leslie Smith born to Catherine Smith looks very likely.  I have been searching all possibilities with the name Nelson.  I don’t alway rely on “ here say” which can be misleading.   I usually go with documented proof. Though expensive , it’s usually the only way to get the facts.   We all take advise on some evidence given.  I am guilty of that, but try to be careful.  Sometimes it pays off, other times , trouble. 😬. As for William George Nelson,   I had been searching the name George Nelson, and got nowhere.  I contacted a member on a certain site who had my tree names in hers.  She said it was in the Trove paper that the wedding of William George Nelson of Carrington St Adelaide  son of James Nelson was being married at Crystal Brook SA to May Craigie of Adelaide.  I knew my Great grandfather was residing at Carrington St at the date given.   So.  George was William George.   And.  She sent me a photo of his son who was the spitting image of my Grans sister,,,
Now. Flora Nelson.  My grandmother.   I have her diary. And she has her DOB as 3rd October 1881.  In her death record they have her death  as  Thursday 4th May 1967. Age 86. She is buried with her husband at Bromley Cemetery. Christ Church. New Zealand…
On her marriage certificate it states she was 31. 14th March 1905. 
What else can I say.  We can only rely on dates given on documents.  If the dates are all over the place it’s in the transcriptions. 
I know my thread on this family has been long and tedious at times. But I only hope I have understanding moderators   With the patience of “Ned”.   You have all been terrific to me.  I can’t thank you enough.   I’ve been a long time driving you mad.  Happy New Year to you all. And thanks.     🌹🌺🤓
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Monday 03 January 22 04:01 GMT (UK)
These dates are what I have in my file. 
 
   Flora Nelson.  Born 3oct 1881
   Henry Nelson. Born. 1887. Died 1888. Age 8 months
   William George Nelson. Born 1890. ??
   Leslie Nelson. Born 1898. ??

   Quite a gap between some      Dalek.  🙄😬
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 02:30 GMT (UK)
Majm.    Dalek. again. 🙄😬.  I’m embarrassed  to say that, as I know I was on this post a LONG time and drove some people mad.  Didn’t mean to. And I apologise to all those that shrieked when they saw my name come up.  But.    As you are well aware I’ve been trying to find evidence of where Leslie Nelson was born.  I know his DOB was 1898.  But there is no record of “ where” he was born.   In fact the SA. BMD. Have no record of a Leslie Nelson born with that date. Or the parents I supplied.   I noticed yesterday on Family Search there has been a Merge on his name on that site  by a certain member.  I don’t know how to find that merge.  I have notified the person who placed it but no reply    Any help please.  Dalek.  🌺
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Sunday 20 February 22 02:40 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I don't know much about family search, but I will try to find out more and get back to you.  Hopefully there will be other RChatters with a far better understanding of family search.

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 20 February 22 02:58 GMT (UK)
I am not familiar with this thread, but is this him? - Army service file

Name:   Leslie Robert Nelson
Birth Date:   22 Oct 1898
Birth Place:   Bridgetown, Western Australia
Year Range:   1939-1948
Enlistment Place:   Perth, Western Australia
Service Number:   W237558
Spouse:   Victoria
Series Description:   B884: Army Citizen Military Forces
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 03:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks Majm.   I’m not  Familia with the workings of F/S either.  Have enough trouble here. No offence meant ..it’s me I’m talking about. Easily confused lately as you well know.   But appreciative
Thank you for your help. 
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 03:15 GMT (UK)
Neal 1961.    Sorry Neal.  Not him.  His wife was Hazel.  Daughter Marjorie. And son Jack.  I looked at that. But his brother William George Nelson enlisted in WW11.  Who’s wife was May Cragie.   I saw a Nelson who was killed in France but not sure who. Will look into that  thanks fir your help.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Sunday 20 February 22 03:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Neale,

Here is the link to his marriage.  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCV-N96  (its actually image 383, not 384 that the link seems to take you to)

Attaching a snip  ;D

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 03:18 GMT (UK)
 If I want to ask about another Nelson family member do I ask here or start another thread. It’s a daughter of James. Leslies sister.   
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Sunday 20 February 22 03:24 GMT (UK)
I think this is very likely to be YOUR Leslie that Dundee has suggested,  the date of birth, and it is registered in Adelaide, South Australia.   

JM

......but having seen a record of  Leslie Nelson with mother Grigg.....

As already mentioned, GRIGG was the maiden surname of Hazel's mother, not Leslie's.

I think it is highly likely that Leslie was not the biological child of James and Mary Jane.

As a matter of interest, there was a birth registered in Adelaide for a Leslie SMITH, son of Catherine SMITH, no father named. The date of birth is the same as Leslie NELSON - 15 Apr 1898.

Debra  :D

Also,  before we move onto Leslie's sister, perhaps we can just pause for a day or so, in case the fresh eyes from Neale or others reading this thread can look with new specs at the dilemma.

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 20 February 22 05:57 GMT (UK)
See reply #14 where Dundee gives you place and date of birth of a Leslie to mother Catherine Smith.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: cathieg on Sunday 20 February 22 05:58 GMT (UK)
Hi there

I have been helping Dale research this line but have only just joined Rootschat. I have been going back through previous posts to see if there was anything we hadn't uncovered so far.

Leslie Smith, mentioned above, is not a possibility as I contacted a person from this family and he is not Leslie Nelson.

Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 20 February 22 06:21 GMT (UK)
Neal 1961.    Sorry Neal.  Not him.  His wife was Hazel.  Daughter Marjorie. And son Jack.  I looked at that. But his brother William George Nelson enlisted in WW11.  Who’s wife was May Cragie.   I saw a Nelson who was killed in France but not sure who. Will look into that  thanks fir your help.

Hi Dale,
I cannot find this enlistment record.  I wonder if you can give guidance to assist.

Up until 1951, George (yes, just plain George or Geo ) NELSON and his wife May, were placing in Memoriam notices for the death of her mother Nellie who died in 1947.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/45734386

Her father William Leslie had died in 1929.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/87451999?searchTerm=%22Craigie%20nelson%22~18

At his marriage to May  in 1915, it seems that no members of William George NELSON's family were present.  At least no mention is made in this news clip.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/59391072
Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: cathieg on Sunday 20 February 22 07:13 GMT (UK)
Please see attached family group sheet for William George Nelson (1889 - 1971)
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 08:53 GMT (UK)
Thank you MAJM and Debbie ( Dundee) for  all that.   I did come across a birth of Leslie Smith. The mother had apparently had quite a few children to different fathers and had some fostered out.   I always had the impression that Leslie was not the son of James and Mary. Their ages would  have been questionable  but not impossible.  They would  have been in their mid 50s or older when he was born.  The mind boggles.  But. Stranger things have happened.    I have contacted members who have these people in their trees but are reluctant to offer information.  Why ?    Anyway, once again. Thanks for your help there.  Much appreciated.   Dalek. 
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 09:02 GMT (UK)
Well Sparrett.  That’s interesting.  George Nelson not William George  put a death notice in the newspapers of the death of his mother.  Nellie.   I’ll check the date of her death with the date I have in my file. My Grandmother had a sister Nellie.  If it’s the same  Nellie.  And the same George as he was known by the family then that puts a question there.  Was George adopted by James and Mary    Would explain a lot.  But I don’t want to jump ahead at this time.  I’ll get back to you on that.  Maybe Leslie and William George were not the biological sons of James and Mary as MAJM suggested.   Hummmmm.   The old skeleton in the closet stuff ….
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 09:06 GMT (UK)
Sparrett.  I’ll check the record I have on the enlistment of William George Nelson.  And let you know.  I know he had a son called the same who also enlisted    Confusing to say the least.   Haven’t my file on me at present.  So many Williams. So many Leslies. So many George’s.  No wonder my head spins. 
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 09:14 GMT (UK)
Wivenhoe.  No I’m not repeating information. I don’t do that. I find out for myself as I know how futile it is to copy information. I’ve had some copy mine and got it wrong which is misleading to others.  I was in Ancestry at the time and received information there plus I have records in family diary with dates etc. but not everthing unfortunately.  But I must say I owe a lot to members on Rootschat. For  their help.   Dalek
 
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 09:20 GMT (UK)
Majm.  My apologies fir not getting back to you on the no 2 post on the death of Henry Alfred Donovan. My grandfather.  Yes I had all that.  Thank you.  Unfortunately I was away in Warnambool at the time and didn’t have my laptop with me  sorry about that.  Dale.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 10:43 GMT (UK)
Sparrett.    Apologies mdear.  I got a tad confused. William George Nelson and his wife putting a death notice in the papers.  You said her mother. I thought it was his mother. Nellie.  Wrong.   Also their son was William George Nelson. Born 18 May  1916   Died  3March  1976. His wife was Cora Thelma.  She was born 1915. Died 17 Oct 1988. Buried at Centennial Park. Adelaide.    William George Nelson Snr. His wife was May Cragie.  She died. 17 Dec  1966. 
 Now you know why I get confused.  Sorry to do that to you.  😁
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 20 February 22 10:50 GMT (UK)
Sparrett.    Apologies mdear.  I got a tad confused. William George Nelson and his wife putting a death notice in the papers.  You said her mother. I thought it was his mother. Nellie.  Wrong.   Also their son was William George Nelson. Born 18 May  1916   Died  3March  1976. His wife was Cora Thelma.  She was born 1915. Died 17 Oct 1988. Buried at Centennial Park. Adelaide.    William George Nelson Snr. His wife was May Cragie.  She died. 17 Dec  1966. 
 Now you know why I get confused.  Sorry to do that to you.  😁

Yes. That is correct. By the way, spelling is CRAIGIE.
Helpful to be correct in in record searching.

It will expand your search if you click on the news links provided. You will see other relatives of May CRAIGIE.
Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 12:45 GMT (UK)

 Thanks Sparrett for the correction of Craigie.  Also. What links below.  Bit confused there.  Sometimes we can’t see the trees for the forest. 😁🙄.   
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 12:51 GMT (UK)

 I received four message notices but all the same from Sparrett.    🙄
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Sunday 20 February 22 13:10 GMT (UK)
 
 I had checked out the possibility of Leslie Nelson being born Leslie Smith. But I have my doubts even though the birth date was the same. I’m sure it would have been in the records somewhere.    I strongly believe that James and Mary Nelson were not his biological parents. Their ages leave one to doubt. Also the gap between my grandmother born in 1881 being the last registered child   Then a big gap to the next son William George Nelson. 1889  then Leslie born 1898. Big gap   Makes one think doesn’t it.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Monday 21 February 22 01:48 GMT (UK)
In my reply #29.

Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Monday 21 February 22 03:41 GMT (UK)
 
 I had checked out the possibility of Leslie Nelson being born Leslie Smith. But I have my doubts even though the birth date was the same. I’m sure it would have been in the records somewhere.    I strongly believe that James and Mary Nelson were not his biological parents. Their ages leave one to doubt. Also the gap between my grandmother born in 1881 being the last registered child   Then a big gap to the next son William George Nelson. 1889  then Leslie born 1898. Big gap   Makes one think doesn’t it.

And a BIG welcome to Cath. 

 
Hi there

I have been helping Dale research this line but have only just joined Rootschat. I have been going back through previous posts to see if there was anything we hadn't uncovered so far.

Leslie Smith, mentioned above, is not a possibility as I contacted a person from this family and he is not Leslie Nelson.



Has anyone compared DNA from descendants of that Leslie Smith with Dale and with her generation  - just in case ...  ?   

JM.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Monday 21 February 22 04:52 GMT (UK)
Hi from me too Cath,
Just an observation here.

Mary Jane (nee DONOVAN) and her husbad were into what was considered then, advancing years.

They are unlikely to have reached out to a stranger to adopt a baby boy.

To my thinking the mother of the child is likely to be one of the daughters born in the 1870's.

Mother Mary has stepped in to the rescue!  It is a well known story. ;)

I have no  evidence to support this, just conjecture.

Sue


Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: cathieg on Monday 21 February 22 08:45 GMT (UK)
I just had a lightbulb moment.
I talked to someone in Leslie Smith's family who didn't think Leslie Nelson was connected and as she had seemingly done a lot of research into them, I took her word for it and didn't look into it further.

Then this record set suddenly appeared on Ancestry

South Australia, Australia, Destitute Asylum Ledgers and Admissions to Industrial and Reformatory Schools, 1849-1913
Reports-Inspectress of Licensed Foster Mothers and Wetnurses 1881-1909

Leslie Smith - 2 months old
Mother - Catherine Smith
Guardian - Mary Nelson.

About to dive in but this could be what Dale has been looking for! Fingers crossed

Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Monday 21 February 22 08:50 GMT (UK)
Dale will be so very pleased. 

Well found Cath.

 :D

JM
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: cathieg on Monday 21 February 22 08:59 GMT (UK)
Hi from me too Cath,
Just an observation here.

Mary Jane (nee DONOVAN) and her husbad were into what was considered then, advancing years.

They are unlikely to have reached out to a stranger to adopt a baby boy.

To my thinking the mother of the child is likely to be one of the daughters born in the 1870's.

Mother Mary has stepped in to the rescue!  It is a well known story. ;)

I have no  evidence to support this, just conjecture.

Sue

That's what I assumed too and it's entirely possible.

Other evidence of this possibility, that I saw, was the fact that Emily (daughter of James and Mary) went back to Perth while the other family members stayed in Adelaide. After the lady I spoke to about Leslie Smith pointed me in the direction of the Adelaide Hospital records, I found an entry for Emily Nelson right age etc who was admitted for something called "Endometritis". Not to be confused with Endometriosis, "Endometritis is an inflammation or irritation of the lining of the uterus" and was something that was common after birth or miscarriage. Her admission on this occasion was in 1896 so probably too early for Leslie to be her son on this occasion but perhaps an indicator as to whether she was sexually active. (No judgement!). Perhaps she left Adelaide after an incident of this kind.


Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: cathieg on Monday 21 February 22 09:55 GMT (UK)
I think I've found a record for older brother George William (or William George)

George Prior was placed with Mary Nelson of Angas St, at 2 months old.
Mother recorded at this time as Fanny Prior.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Monday 21 February 22 10:08 GMT (UK)
Well we’ll we’ll.  Thanks to all at Rootschat.  And thank you Cath.  I always thought that Leslie was adopted.  Not jumping the gun  and not getting my hopes up yet.    But it does look promising.   It’s been bugging me as you all know.  ( sorry about that).  But as I said. Persistence pays but gives some headaches.  👏😘😘😘
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Monday 21 February 22 10:17 GMT (UK)
Blimey.  George Prior.  William George  yes. That makes sense. As I said before. I thought both these boys were not the biological sons of James and Mary.   Obviously two amazing people to take on two boys at their age.  And I worry about looking after my grandsons at my age. Haha.     Cath. You are incredible. And I can’t thank you enough.  And not forgetting those who also helped me.  Thanks 😍
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 22 February 22 05:45 GMT (UK)
Maybe this birth

Registered in both names mother and father's

PRIOR,George.Male. Father Alexander WOODS
At Kapunda
467/215 Year 1890


WOODS George Prior.   Male Father Alexander WOODS
At Kapunda
467/215 Year 1890.

I think the mother was possibly Fanny Prior HOOPER, a daughter of James HOOPER of Talunga (?) region, South Aust.  She was born 1873. reg. at Talunga. 126/134

She had several siblings.

She married in 1900 in SA  to Patrick O'Dea

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/54532953

Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: cathieg on Tuesday 22 February 22 07:41 GMT (UK)
I think it's this one, at first the records say Fanny Prior but later on, they say Carrie Sharpe. I guess Carrie and Fanny could be confused. Prior (or Pryor) seems to be the father' name. She lost her husband in 1886 and remarried in 1891 in Melb, which is included in the Foster records.

George William Pryor
Birthdate 8 Dec 1888
Birthplace Adelaide
Father William George Pryor
Mother Carrie Sharpe
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Friday 25 February 22 23:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sparrett.  Got that.  Amazing find.   I can sleep now.  Haha   😁
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 27 February 22 05:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Dale and Cath,
I am in agreement with Cath that her information giving Carrie SHARPE as the mother of William George is most likely correct.

I am repeating here some of the information Cath has kindly given.

Carrie (nee CORMICK)  had married in Adelaide in 1881 to James SHARPE
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197757151

They had a child
Archibald James Menzies SHARPE. Father James 1881/456

She was widowed in 1886.

The records of the Inspectress of licensed foster mothers in SA shows that the first statement of mother of the infant George Prior is Fanny PRIOR- not married

Entry 8th Feb- Mrs Priscilla TURNER of Angus Street  had the child from birth to 7th Feb. when he went to Mary NELSON aged 2 months.  Mary Nelson had applied for a license. Mary Nelson lived at Angus Street.

One entry in the books records that the child's father pays for his upkeep, but the man is not named. It is shown in the previous post from Cath as William George PRYOR.

By May 1889, the mother's name has changed to Carrie SHARPE, sometimes recorded as married (which was true in a way!) and other times as single .

In July 1890, George is 1 year and 1 month old and Mary NELSON is living at Moore Street.

In October, 1890, Carrie is "in the country"

By 1891 when George is 2 years, it is recorded that mother has married in Melbourne.
This marriage
POTTER Fred
SHARPE, Carrie
8166/1891

Carrie POTTER died in 1904 aged 42 years at Richmond. Father Jas CORMICK, mother Mary Ann. Reg 13813.

Her will digitised at National Archive Australia, leaves all to her husband.
Frederick died in 1911.

I think she took her son Archibald, George's half brother,  into the marriage with Frederick POTTER.

The electoral roll  in Victoria 1910 shows both Archibald James Menzies SHARPE and Frederick POTTER living at Beach Road Sandringham, Victoria.
Frederick POTTER died Dec 1911.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142955699

At one time Archibald shared a address in Brighton, Victoria with one Violet Frances Maud who used his surname.

But after that he seems to have left Australia for London and made some different choices some of which did not work out well for him.

Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Monday 28 February 22 00:18 GMT (UK)
Wow.  Thanks Sue. That’s incredible.  I live near Sandringham and Brighton.  So that’s interesting.   You and Catherine have been exceptional in finding these records. I can’t thank you enough.  I wonder if my grandmother ever knew.  Nothing was said. But in those days they didn’t talk about those things.   It’s just nice to know.  As I said. Thank you very much.   Dale. 😘😘
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Friday 15 April 22 23:13 BST (UK)
Would like to say many thanks to everyone and wish you all a Great Easter with your families.  Dale  x
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Tuesday 31 May 22 08:53 BST (UK)
Hello everyone.   Unfortunately I have been unable to go online. As I’ve had problems with my sight. I’ve having surgery this week  so hope when I’m able I can come back.  Hope all well with everyone. So take care.   I believe I have messages but can’t see to read them. So once I can I will reply.  Regards to all.  Dalek.  Xx
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Tuesday 31 May 22 08:54 BST (UK)
I’ve done this with the aid of a magnifying glass. 🙄🙄🥴
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: majm on Tuesday 31 May 22 09:59 BST (UK)
REST.

Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 01 June 22 01:06 BST (UK)
All good wishes  for now :D

Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 03 June 23 04:45 BST (UK)
Re Leslie.Nelson thread.     Dear all    I’m just letting you know I’m intending to come back after a long time off the site.   There’s been a few distractions that made me decide to just take a rest. My apologies to all for not contacting you sooner.  Life gets in the way at times.    I must add that I appreciated all. The help you gave me was incredible.   Hope to “ Chat Soon”.    Regards. Dalek.  😘😘
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 03 June 23 04:46 BST (UK)
By the way. If I don’t reply straight away.  Having computer problems.  Just adds to the list. But. Then what’s new.  😁
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 03 June 23 05:21 BST (UK)
Hi Dalek,
Glad to hear you have plans to continue your family searches.
We'll hear from you soon.
Sue
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Saturday 03 June 23 05:37 BST (UK)
Yes. I will.      Thanks for the reply.   I’m having trouble with  incoming emails.  So I hope things get sorted out soon.   Take care.   Dalek.
Title: Re: Leslie Nelson.
Post by: dalek39 on Monday 05 June 23 20:59 BST (UK)
Dear  Sparrett.  I received a notification that you sent a return message on my latest post.  Unfortunately I didn’t get it.  Nothing comes up.  I will have to find out what the problem is.  Probably me. What else.    It’s trying to navigate this new iPad.  They say it’s the same as the computer. Well.???    Dalek. 🌺