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Title: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Friday 07 January 22 14:44 GMT (UK)
Hi
The 1921 census has thrown up a mystery
My husbands father James Brett born 1915 Wrexham is found as a boarder with the above couple at 43 WestEnd st Oldham, the current family have never heard of this couple.

It states on the census that James mother is dead, no mention of father.

On his birth certificate it states mother Ethel Brett formerly Beddowes and father William Brett, as I have never been able to find a marriage between the pair had hoped that the census would have solved this.
I donít know if I can find further information about how long James stayed with them or anything about them
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 07 January 22 15:49 GMT (UK)
Can you find his parents in 1911 to trace what happened to them?

If Ethel has died before 1921 there should be a death record for her. 
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Friday 07 January 22 15:50 GMT (UK)
I have looked for both Ethel Beddowes/ Brett without success

They werenít together before March 1915
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 07 January 22 16:04 GMT (UK)
There is an Ethel Beddoes in Wales and a William Brett around in Oldham Lancs on previous census.

As James is boarding in Oldham that might be a link.

William Brett is born 1889 bricklayers labourer at 22.  What occupation is given on the birth?
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Friday 07 January 22 16:05 GMT (UK)
Really which census year as I have never found them together
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 07 January 22 16:11 GMT (UK)
Not together, I am looking for them separately as single people.
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Friday 07 January 22 16:15 GMT (UK)
Ethel was previously married to John William Beddowes
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 07 January 22 16:23 GMT (UK)
Oh didn't realise that was a married name sorry.  How did you find that out?

So the birth for James should really show her original maiden name not Beddowes  :-\

What was her birth name?
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Friday 07 January 22 16:29 GMT (UK)
It doesnít say on James birth certificate, how I found it was on William Beddowes 17/10/1913 birth certificate where it states Ethel Beddowes formerly Law possibly Low.
On William Beddowes  8/3/1915 death certificate it says Ethel Beddowes now wife of William Brett. But never found a marriage between William Brett and Ethel
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:28 GMT (UK)
1913 William Beddowes mmn Law registered December Quarter Oldham.
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:30 GMT (UK)
1908 John W Beddowes married Ethel Lowe at St Thomas Moorside Oldham.
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Saturday 08 January 22 12:33 GMT (UK)
Thanks that clarifies the Law/Low issue. Ethel Lowe I wonder if she reverted back to her maiden name after leaving John William Beddowes
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:34 GMT (UK)
Ethel Lowe

Age:   21
Birth Date:1887
Marriage Date: 11 Jan 1908
Marriage Place: St. Thomas, Moorside, Lancashire, England
Father: Abraham Lowe
Spouse: John William Beddowes
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:37 GMT (UK)
Is this the correct family?
Daughters Agnes born 1908 mmn Law
Alice born 1910 mmn Law?

Lived at 4 Iron Street Glodwick.
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Saturday 08 January 22 12:40 GMT (UK)
Yes I think so

But itís James Brett boarding with the Kilcoyne couple thatís the enigma with mother Ethel having died in 1921 census
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:43 GMT (UK)
The Kilcoyne family are in West End Street in 1911.
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Saturday 08 January 22 12:45 GMT (UK)
Do they have anyone with surnames of Brett, Beddowes staying with them
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:49 GMT (UK)
Do they have anyone with surnames of Brett, Beddowes staying with them

No
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 08 January 22 12:49 GMT (UK)
Any Sullivans or Cahills in your family?
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Saturday 08 January 22 12:51 GMT (UK)
So really have hit a brick wall in trying to find out why a 6 year old was boarding with the couple
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 09 January 22 13:31 GMT (UK)
Do you know what happened to William Beddowes born in 1913 Oldham?
Title: Re: James and Mary Kilcoyne
Post by: tilly25 on Sunday 09 January 22 13:35 GMT (UK)
He died on 8/3/1915 at 8 The Walks, Brook St Wrexham from mastoid abscess and bronchitis