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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: markcafc on Tuesday 11 January 22 22:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi all :) After the release of the 1921 census, I have decided to have another crack at trying to get past my 5x great grandfather, Thomas Chalice (Challis). Thomas was born in Aldbourne, Wiltshire in 1763. He died in 1799, leaving behind his wife (Ann Bunce) and children Sally, William, Frances and Thomas (my 4x great grandfather).
I have no idea on how I can get to the 6x generation and where to find details on Thomas's parents. I have searched all the Wiltshire Parish records I can find, but no luck :/ If anyone could give me some tips on what steps I could take next, I would be very grateful. TIA, Mark :)
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Have you tried looking for a matching family tree on Ancestry? Or you may get further back on Familysearch.org
Carol
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Have you tried looking for a matching family tree on Ancestry? Or you may get further back on Familysearch.org
Carol
Hi Carol. Thank you for your reply :)
Yes, I have looked for matching trees on Ancestry but no luck. I have also searched Familysearch but can't see any baptism records for Thomas :(
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Posted in error.
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How do you know for sure that is where he was born?
Have you been through the ones born in other parts of the country?
I have (thankfully confirmed by wills, marriage licenses and witnesses around the place) a woman who was born in Staffordshire in 1743, married in London in 1767. Went home for delivery of first child (or at least went back there to have that child baptised there)
But by 1780 they are in Somerset and then to Warminster Wilts. (And still kept in touch with at least one relative in London in 1799)
So, as you cannot easily see your man in Wiltshire. I would see if you can follow those other half dozen forward to eliminate them.
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Hi
When you get that far back it is more a process of elimination as mckha said.
I did mine before the internet so I did it the old fashioned way by going to the local history library and archives.
Some burial registers can have extra information so they can be a good reference.
John
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There are a number of websites on the 'net' - which gives: English Naming Patterns - one ca.1700 to ca 1875.
(my Family Tree over the different Centuries carries family names, sometimes there is also another surname added as an extra). My Grandad & Uncle carried the middle name of BURROWS - which was from generations back, and out of my 6 grandchildren, 4 carry family Christian/Surname names.
Website: English Naming Patterns c1 1700 to ca 1875 -Arms to Armour
(whether this information is exactly correct, I do not know, as various sites give different patterns,
1st Son - Father's Father
2nd Son - Mother's Father
3rd Son - Father
4th Son - Father's Eldest Brother
1st Daughter - Mother's Mother
2nd Daughter - Father's Mother
3rd Daughter - Mother
4th Daughter - Mother's Eldest Sister.
There is another website
Names and Naming Patterns in England 1538-1700 - Oxford Scholarship on Line.
In your case
Sally
William
Frances
Thomas (after his Father)
The names would come from the Wife and Husband's line in some cases.
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Duncan & Mandy's Website
http://www.oodwooc.co.uk
Contains over 61,000 thousand photographs of places they have visited, mostly Wiltshire. This Includes Location Index.
Under The Church of St Michael, Aldbourne, apart from Church photographs, and under the Heading, The Whitton Team - www.whittonteam.org.uk ...
St Michael's Churchyard Heritage Project
have a comprehensive digital record of burial plot information dating back to the second half of the nineteen century, including plots for which there are no headstones, as well as photos of each gravestone (from 1677) with full inscriptions, etc. etc.
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Thank you for your reply :)
I have a birth, marriage and death entry for Thomas all in Aldbourne, Wiltshire. I will take a look at the other areas as you suggest and hopefully stumble across something.
How do you know for sure that is where he was born?
Have you been through the ones born in other parts of the country?
I have (thankfully confirmed by wills, marriage licenses and witnesses around the place) a woman who was born in Staffordshire in 1743, married in London in 1767. Went home for delivery of first child (or at least went back there to have that child baptised there)
But by 1780 they are in Somerset and then to Warminster Wilts. (And still kept in touch with at least one relative in London in 1799)
So, as you cannot easily see your man in Wiltshire. I would see if you can follow those other half dozen forward to eliminate them.
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Thank you for the links, they are really interesting :)
Duncan & Mandy's Website
http://www.oodwooc.co.uk
Contains over 61,000 thousand photographs of places they have visited, mostly Wiltshire. This Includes Location Index.
Under The Church of St Michael, Aldbourne, apart from Church photographs, and under the Heading, The Whitton Team - www.whittonteam.org.uk ...
St Michael's Churchyard Heritage Project
have a comprehensive digital record of burial plot information dating back to the second half of the nineteen century, including plots for which there are no headstones, as well as photos of each gravestone (from 1677) with full inscriptions, etc. etc.
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Thank you for your reply :)
I have a birth, marriage and death entry for Thomas all in Aldbourne, Wiltshire. I will take a look at the other areas as you suggest and hopefully stumble across something.
How do you know for sure that is where he was born?
Is the birth (is it a baptism? Doesn’t it name at least his father?) entry online? Can you please link? Or attach.
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My bad, I can't find any mention of where I recorded the birth :( It was a few years back, I think I recorded it from a Wiltshire site of parish records I found.
I have:
Thomas Chalice - Born 1763, Aldbourne, Wiltshire
Married Ann Bunce 28 Jul 1788, Aldbourne, Wiltshire
Died 1799, Aldbourne, Wiltshire
Child (my great grandfather x4)
Thomas Challis - Born 1795, Aldbourne, Wiltshire
Married Sarah Lambdon 26 Sep 1819, Aldbourne, Wiltshire
Died 1850, Hungerford, Berkshire
Thank you for your reply :)
I have a birth, marriage and death entry for Thomas all in Aldbourne, Wiltshire. I will take a look at the other areas as you suggest and hopefully stumble across something.
How do you know for sure that is where he was born?
Is the birth (is it a baptism? Doesn’t it name at least his father?) entry online? Can you please link? Or attach.
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I had a look at the Aldbourne parish register images on Ancestry and there is no mention of any Chalice/Challis family members born there anywhere near 1763 when you mention Thomas as being baptised there.
I notice that you mention that your Thomas died in Hungerford Berkshire...Have you tried searching in nearby counties such as Berkshire of which the border is a hop, skip and a jump from Aldbourne?
The reason I ask is because 17 minutes (15km) away in West Shefford, Berkshire a Frances Chalice is listed as the wife of John Chalice being buried there 27 Apr 1773. Is this perhaps where your Thomas got the name for his daughter?
Additionally, given that Lambourn, Berkshire is only 12mins (9km) away it may be a good place to also look as there appear to be many, Chalice/Challis family members baptised, married and buried there. Such as John Chalice the elder of Lambourn Woodlands buried on 15 Jan 1777.
There is also a Thomas Challice son of John and Ann baptised in Lambourn on 29 Dec 1751. Whilst older than you have stated Thomas to be (you say 1763) is it possible that Thomas married late in life (37)?
Lastly, there is a Benjamin Chalice Gentleman of Newbury, Berkshire who left a will (PCC) 5 May 1779 who mentions his children of which one being a late Richard Challis, who had the children (grandchildren of the testator): Mary, John, Thomas and Elizabeth. The will also mentions another son of Benjamin - Thomas who had the following children (grandchildren of the testator) at the time: Joseph, Thomas and Elizabeth.
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Have you tried the actual IGI collection at Familysearch.
Used to be a boon and a blessing in the old days, not sure how much extra help it is these days, but worth mentioning:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/igi
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Thank you so much for all of this information, it is super helpful and really appreciated :) I will take a look through everything at the weekend when I get a chance and post back.
I had a look at the Aldbourne parish register images on Ancestry and there is no mention of any Chalice/Challis family members born there anywhere near 1763 when you mention Thomas as being baptised there.
I notice that you mention that your Thomas died in Hungerford Berkshire...Have you tried searching in nearby counties such as Berkshire of which the border is a hop, skip and a jump from Aldbourne?
The reason I ask is because 17 minutes (15km) away in West Shefford, Berkshire a Frances Chalice is listed as the wife of John Chalice being buried there 27 Apr 1773. Is this perhaps where your Thomas got the name for his daughter?
Additionally, given that Lambourn, Berkshire is only 12mins (9km) away it may be a good place to also look as there appear to be many, Chalice/Challis family members baptised, married and buried there. Such as John Chalice the elder of Lambourn Woodlands buried on 15 Jan 1777.
There is also a Thomas Challice son of John and Ann baptised in Lambourn on 29 Dec 1751. Whilst older than you have stated Thomas to be (you say 1763) is it possible that Thomas married late in life (37)?
Lastly, there is a Benjamin Chalice Gentleman of Newbury, Berkshire who left a will (PCC) 5 May 1779 who mentions his children of which one being a late Richard Challis, who had the children (grandchildren of the testator): Mary, John, Thomas and Elizabeth. The will also mentions another son of Benjamin - Thomas who had the following children (grandchildren of the testator) at the time: Joseph, Thomas and Elizabeth.