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Title: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: donnabradley1 on Thursday 13 January 22 05:45 GMT (UK)
Looking for information about Ethel Frances Gluyas (b1892) who worked at Geraldra Station, near Stockinbingal around 1911. She is my great grandmother and would like any information. Thanks Donna
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: Paco on Friday 14 January 22 16:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Donna, and welcome to Rootschat!
Do you have access to Ancestry, as there is quite a lot of information about your Great Grandmother on there.
Regards.
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: majm on Friday 14 January 22 21:19 GMT (UK)
Welcome from me too.

May I please  ask some questions. I am not related to your Ethel but I am NSW centric, born and bred on the Lachlan. Stockinbingal is of course in regional NSW.

  :) do you already  have any info about Geraldra Station
 :) what record leads you to know Ethel worked there in 1911
 :) what was Ethel's occupation in  1911
 :) what are the names of Ethel's parents,
 :) what bdm documents do you currently hold that mention Ethel
 :) where have you already looked for info about her


JM
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: majm on Friday 14 January 22 21:34 GMT (UK)
Hi,

From NSW electoral Roll, 1902 BLAND, Polling place as Stockinbingal
William HENNESSY, a farmer at Geraldra
Charlotte HENNESSY, domestic duties at Geraldra
Isabelle Jane HENNESSY, domestic duties,  at Geraldra.
John SHEATHER, farmer at Geraldra

It was not compulsory to enrol, you needed to be aged 21 and over and a British Subject and have lived at the one location for the six months immediately before enrolling.    So for example, shearers at the Geraldra woodsheds for a month, twice a year would not be enrolled using that as their address.

ADD,  Here is a live link to a newspaper with a good description of Geraldra Station in February 1904.   (80,000 acres,  50,000 sheep).
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143897976  Coota Herald 13 Feb 1904.

 
JM
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 14 January 22 22:32 GMT (UK)
Please let us know exactly what information you want and what you have.

FROM your ancestry tree (edit):
Ethel Frances Thomazine GLUYAS birth 17 Aug 1892 (Parents John GLUYAS and Jane Bolitho REED)

Daughter Elle Irene Gluyas born 1911 at Geraldra. (Father unknown HALL)

Ethel’s first marriage in 1917 Forbes to Francis Henry ROCHE
       2 children: Neville Matthew 1917 and Clarence Edward 1920

Her second marriage in 1942 to Henry Lawrence JONES
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: majm on Friday 14 January 22 23:06 GMT (UK)
Please let us know exactly what information you want and what you have.
.....

I can see a birth for Ethel GLUYAS in March 1882, registered Cobar, but not to those parents, and her middle name would be Jane. 

JM  Edited to better reflect the findings via the NSW BDM online search for births.
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: donnabradley1 on Saturday 15 January 22 02:05 GMT (UK)
My grandmother Belle was born at Geraralda Station in September 1911. Ethel was working there in some capacity and Belle's father was also working there at this time. Ethel was 19 at the time so probably working as a domestic on the property. DNA matches leads to him having the surname Hall. I have Ancestry access and have looked at census lists etc for this time period to try and find information but nothing has been forthcoming. Wondering if someone may have access to records for Geraldra Station and can see employee records for 1910 and 1911. Just trying to get a name for my great grandfather and fill in a big blank.
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: jorose on Saturday 15 January 22 05:01 GMT (UK)
There are in many cases no surviving records for stations and from initial searches I can't see that anything survives for Geraldra.

I do however note an Alfred Hall of Stockinbingal in 1899 complaining of being wrongfully identified as being fined for bad language. He notes that he has been in the area 16 years, and for 9 of them employed by Mr G. Davidson.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138279254?searchTerm=%22Alfred%20Hall%22%20Stockinbingal

George Douglas Davidson ran Geralda at this time:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/168083954searchTerm=%22Geralda%20Station%22%20Davidson

An obituary for Alfred Hall Senior notes specifically that he worked on Geraldra Station until he retired in 1912
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/103392254?searchTerm=%22Alfred%20William%20Hall%22

He had one son, Alfred William Hall, who was single when he signed up for WWI in September 1916.
Alfred William was born in 1892 so of an age of Ethel.  Seems like a good possible candidate.
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: majm on Saturday 15 January 22 05:51 GMT (UK)
Alfred HALL is shown on the Electoral Roll 1902 BLAND, polling Stockingbal, but his residential address is given as Stockinbingal. (Predictative text keeps changing the spelling  : ::) ). So that supports the newspaper info found by jorose.

I also agree about station records, many are extant and others seem to have been lost over time.  It depended on where stored, weather ... floods/fires, and who appreciated keeping old records.... pedigree charts on stock, yes keep that;  crop expenses and harvest returns, yes keep that; who may have had a one night stand ... no, don't write that down; ....

So from the 1911 birth cert .. strictly only that document ... who were the midwives/doctor/witnesses,  what was the recorded occupation for baby's mum,  and for the informant : what name, of what address, and what relationship to baby....

JM.
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 15 January 22 06:11 GMT (UK)
Good work Jorose. Just a little to add....

Sarah Jane FREEMAN married 1880 Cootamundra to Patrick JORDAN
2 sons: John Thomas 1881 and David Edward 1885

Sarah married 2nd time 1890 Cootamundra to Alfred Will HALL

The boys from the first marriage should not be discounted (as possible fathers for Belle), as they might have used the name HALL when their mother remarried.
I can see David married in Feb 1912 in Cootamundra, so perhaps he was working with stepfather at Geraldra in 1911.
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 15 January 22 06:56 GMT (UK)


The boys from the first marriage should not be discounted (as possible fathers for Belle), as they might have used the name HALL when their mother remarried.
I can see David married in Feb 1912 in Cootamundra, so perhaps he was working with stepfather at Geraldra in 1911.


And indeed , dare I say it ::) Alfred senior himself should not be discounted!
Sue
Title: Re: Ethel Frances Gluyas and Geraldra Station
Post by: donnabradley1 on Friday 21 January 22 06:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone. This gives me something to look at. I'll see whether this ties with any DNA matches I have also.