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After researching my great-grandmother for over 10 years I am once again at a roadblock.
After her death in the 1970s it was revealed that she was born in a workhouse in newtonards when her birth certificate surfaced. Though I have asked many times to see it, I'm guessing it's been lost. I'm unable to locate a birth certificate or any type of confirmation about her birth or her mother's.
As the story goes, mama gave birth in the morning and later that day returned to work with the baby strapped to her body.
I'm told she was a twin (from an elderly relative) but the twin didn't survive. I'm hoping this is an important detail to help locate her birth records but cannot find any evidence of being a twin. (Perhaps it was actually her mother who was a twin??)
Here are the facts I know:
Born 13 Nov 1903 • Newtownards (workhouse)
Married 1921
Died 18 Oct 1975 • Carrickfergus
Mother: Mary Elizabeth Hanna
Grandparents: Robert Hanna and Margaret Park
1911 Census Elizabeth McClean (parents Mary and George McClean)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballygowan/Ballygowan/266472/
Head of household has had no children (Elizabeth and Robert) but mother has had two and there are two living. Robert a 9 mo old infant and assumed to have died young. No one in the family has heard of him. Probably not born with the surname McClean as head of household has no children. (Or maybe that's an error on the census).
George McClean treated Lizzie as his own daughter and she grew up with the name McClean. More step siblings followed (Isabelle and Ernie).
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birth records of Elizabeth Hanna (1903-1975)
and/or birth/death records for her mother
Mary Elizabeth Hanna (born 1884) - I have a photo of her as an older woman but no one recalls when she passed (likely died in carrickfergus 1960s)
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You've posted on IRELAND RESOURCES board which isn't for queries. Just click on 'report to moderator' to get this thread moved to the DOWN board.
Meanwhile- earlier topic on Newtownards Workhouse, Elizabeth Hanna, etc.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=614222.msg4631614#msg4631614
Elizabeth's birth registration here- mother Minnie Hanna (Minnie is often a nickname for Mary)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01853/1722498.pdf
Not sure why you couldn't find it but all I did was search for surname- Hannah, year- 1903/1904 (as a November birth could have been registered early the following year)
Not a twin (unless there was a stillborn one)
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Head of household has had no children (Elizabeth and Robert) but mother has had two and there are two living. Robert a 9 mo old infant and assumed to have died young. No one in the family has heard of him. Probably not born with the surname McClean as head of household has no children. (Or maybe that's an error on the census).
Robert's birth here- again easily found-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01564/1631492.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002299839/
If you look at the original image it asks married woman about years married and children. Therefore nothing should be mentioned about that on George's entry.
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Mary Elizabeth Hanna (born 1884) - I have a photo of her as an older woman but no one recalls when she passed (likely died in carrickfergus 1960s)
Death should be registered with the surname she was using at time of death.
Irish Genealogy doesn't have N.I. records after 1921 and GRONI's online database covers N.I. deaths more than 50 years old-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
From another earlier topicv you already have birth details for Mary :-\
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692542.msg5363840#msg5363840
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You've posted on IRELAND RESOURCES board which isn't for queries. Just click on 'report to moderator' to get this thread moved to the DOWN board.
Thank you for pointing that out ... and yes ... done.
Not a twin (unless there was a stillborn one)
Yes could have been stillborn - or also her mother was the twin then. Incredibly helpful thanks so much.
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From another earlier topicv you already have birth details for Mary :-\
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692542.msg5363840#msg5363840
Thank you - I thought I had re-read all those.
Pandemic brain :) Everything's a blur these days.
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Yes could have been stillborn - or also her mother was the twin then. Incredibly helpful thanks so much.
You already had the birth details but no twin listed in the registration book-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02683/1988430.pdf