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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: NooshieW on Friday 21 January 22 23:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I cannot find two individuals from the same family. One is Edward Rowland born December 1919, parents William and Lilian Rowland nee Gould -Brighton.
The other is Lilian Joan Tapner born 1920 in Brighton- parents Emily Rowland and John Joseph Tapner.
I have Edward on the 1939 register, but cannot find his birth registration or any subsequent records.
I only have Lilians birth reg. Her parents divorced and lived latterly in Wandsworth.
Any help would be great. Thanks.
NB The two missing people are Uncle and niece
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Re Lilian - when did her parents divorce? Did her mother remarry? Could she have taken her stepfathers surname?
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There is a 1939 Battersea marriage of Joan L. Tapner to Samuel Scammell
She can then be found with a birth of 17 Oct 1920.
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Re Edward
If he was b Dec 1919 & was their son - he will be on the 1921 census. I have a feeling he may have been their grandson
Their last child as at 1911 was b 1903/04
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Hi, thanks so far. Emily Tapner, Lilian Joan’s mother ,remarried twice more to a Loosemore and a Flockhart. I tried the Loosemore option as this was the first of the marriages. Thanks for the Joan L Tapner version, I didn’t think to transpose the names.
As for Edward , the parents William and Lillian, lost their only son also William, in WW1 in 1918, he was unmarried. As far as I know Lilian Joan was the only grandchild, hence I believe that Edward is a son, albeit a late one.
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Did you look at the 1911 for William & Lilian - they had 2 daughters - both of whom would have been old enough to have had a child in 1919 - married or not
When did William & Lily/Lilian marry?
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The 1921 for William has been transcribed as ROULAND
Hovering I can see Lily and Lily Mary.
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If Edward was their son he would be with his parents.
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1911 daughter is Emily Louisa mmn Golds - not Gould
Lilian Mary - mmn Golds
Henry William - mmn Golds
Marriage 1893 - William Rowland/Lilly Golds
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I initially only had the three children for William and Lilian , Emily, Lilian and William. Edward appeared on the 1939. I haven’t found any children for the daughters apart from Lilian Joan Tapner. There is no birth reg for an Edward Rowland, so who is he?
Thanks for ongoing help with this.
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As there is no birth reg. for an Edward Rowland born 20/12/1919, nor any likely death entry, I would agree that Edward was not a son - either an 'adopted' son (which wasn't a formal arrangement when he was born) who could have reverted back to his birth name later, who knows. He certainly wasn't with them in 1921 when he'd have been a toddler nor was there anyone with that name/age in Sussex.
Whoever Edward was, I doubt very much that he was born a Rowland!
Annette
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You could be right, that they took in a child in or maybe he’s just a lodger and the enumerator got it wrong. As they lost their only son in 1918, it seemed that maybe they’d had a child . The mother would have been in her late forties, not unheard of by any means, but he isn’t on any records.
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I looked at the 1939 record again and the birth date of Edward could be 26/12/19. If it is, there is an Edward Scannel who dies in Brighton with that birthdate and there is no birth reg for him, just a thought. This is very similar to the ‘Scammel’ that Lilian Joan married. Maybe clutching at straws.