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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Samiluca on Sunday 23 January 22 17:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am looking for the marriage records for Hannah Ward & Edward Johnson in 1855..July,August,September. They would have been married in Ryton, Medomsley or Benfieldside. I can order a marriage certificate but it will take 9 weeks. My whole aim is to find out who Hannah Ward’s mother is and I’m hoping she may be on the marriage certificate as she was an illegitimate child.
Many thanks, Natalie.
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She may have named someone as a father on marriage but it will not have her mother's name. It will be blank or a father's name fictitious or not. Her mother could have been a witness but no relationships are given so you really don't know.
Janis
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It is worth looking for as I have seen a mothers name listed in the box where a fathers should be on a marriage certificate when the child was illegitimate
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Going by the census records for Hannah Johnson from 1861 onwards her birthdate varies a little but generally c 1825-28 and born Medomsley. There is a baptism (image on Findmypast) of a Hannah Ward bap 18th June 1826 Medomsley the illegitimate daughter of Hannah Ward abode Allendale.
John
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Thank you all. I have been looking for Hannah Ward now for 4years. She becomes a Johnson after having her first 2 children in lanchester workhouse. I am almost sure she is the illegitimate Daughter of Isabel Ward born in 1806 in the paper mill, Blackall Mill. She was born in Medomsley in 1826 yet the only birt of Hannah Ward in Medomsley was to a Hannah Ward as you mention. Could Isabel have put the name Hannah down as her own name as the child was illegitimate ? Isabel goes on to be in Hannah’s life and takes on Ann (one of Hannah’s workhouse children) by the 1861 census.
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I think the Hannah born in Allendale is my Hannah but Isabel has given a false name . Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
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This is a good contender for Hannah pre marriage. The 2 daughters Ann and Elizabeth born Lanchester have baptism records that both record no father, mother Hannah.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJR-25G
John
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Yes that is my Hannah John
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When she leaves the workhouse she marries Edward Johnson.
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Edward Johnson is the brother of Isabel frazer (nee ward) son and law and Hannah leaves her oldest daughter Ann to live with Isabel her (grandmother). My conundrum is there is no record of Hannah ward being born to Isabel ward in 1826 in medomsley.
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The only marriage registration where both these names appear on the same page that I can find in the index is Q3 1855 Durham District, 10a 243
This shows which areas were covered by that district:
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/durham.html
If the marriage had been in Ryton it would have been registered in Gateshead District
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/gateshead.html
So you can discount Ryton but Benfieldside and Medomsley 'could' still be contenders.
Though I have tried all my usual resources to find a transcript/ venue for this marriage (FreeREG/ Family Search/ Marriage Locator/Durham Records Online and I am drawing a blank.
Without knowing the church they married in, and bearing in mind there were a lot of non conformists churches/chapels in the area, its also possible they had a civil ceremony at a register office, I'd hazard a guess that a cert from the GRO is possibly the best way forward.
Though if you, or anyone on RC, are able to find out 'where' they married and it was a church, check out Durham Record Office site, if you can specify a venue they can provide a copy of the entry from their microfilms via email at a cost of £5 - at least that was the cost last time I ordered one (about 2 months ago).
Boo
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Thanks Boo that’s really helpful. Could you look at your resources to see if you can find another Hannah Ward born In medomsley in 1826 other than the one born to Hannah Ward.
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I don’t know a way forward to find a way to find out who Hannah Wards mother was so any suggestions would be great
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There is a baptism (image on Findmypast) of a Hannah Ward bap 18th June 1826 Medomsley the illegitimate daughter of Hannah Ward abode Allendale.
Just clarifying one thing: I don't think the abode Allendale in the baptism register means the Allendale in Northumberland, it is much more likely Allendale Cottages in Medomsley. There seem to be quite a few people with that abode in the register.
Edit: I see you had already come to the same conclusion :-\ reply #5 here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842501.msg7091161#msg7091161
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Thanks Jen ...yes I think it’s Allendale cottages...I even joined their local Facebook group. However there were queries as to whether they were built then . Although I do think it’s that location.
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GRO index - Durham RD marriages for Sep qtr 1855 start on page 241 (volume 10a)
The one in question is on page 243
So absolutely a parish church marriage.
Four names on pages 241, 242, 243, and none indexed on 244, according to FreeBMD. It is quite possible that page 243 is the same church as pages 241,2.
The parishes are often arranged in the index alphabetically in some way, so Benfieldside, assuming there were marriages there that quarter, might be good shout.
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In the following year, Sep qtr 1956, GRO index, Durham RD marriages start on page 261
George Longstaff and Margaret Liddell are indexed on page 262
Newcastle Journal, 2 August 1856
At St. Cuthbert's Church, Benfieldside, on the 31st ult. George Longstaff, builder, of Black Hill, to Margaret, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Anthony Liddell, engineer, Consett Iron Works.
FreeBMD then have four names on page 263, and only two on 264, hopefully completing marriages at Benfieldside.
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Jon I’m really sorry but I am confused by your replies
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People usually are!
Boo said that if you could specify a church, you might be able to get a copy of the marriage from Durham Record Office. Possibly rather cheaper than the GRO, plus you get to see original signatures (or marks!)
I was trying to establish from the GRO reference where in Durham district the marriage took place. Parish churches were indexed first, and there will be a running order, with the register office/non PC marriages indexed after those.
As your marriage is indexed so early on in the page range for Durham, it must have been a church wedding. And Benfieldside would seem to be the first (or just possibly second), church in the running order.
Jon
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Wow...thank you Jon.