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Title: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: jonwicken on Monday 25 April 22 17:37 BST (UK)
Hi does anyone please have access to the marriages for Holy Island?

I would like to please know who the witnesses are (and any other information) on the marriage of Thomas Morris and Ann Allan.

They married on 12 June 1812.

There is a photo of one of their daughters and some information about Thomas Morris and his family here: https://www.islandshirearchives.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Fishing-Heritage-Katrina-compressed.pdf

My ancestor James Stephenson worked with Thomas Morris on Holy Island from c1812-c1817 in the prevention service and I would like to know if James was a witness to the marriage.

Thank you,
Jon
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: Tickettyboo on Monday 25 April 22 20:56 BST (UK)
Hi I looked at the BTs for Holy Island, plus Free Reg and can't see this marriage.
Please could you tell me the source you have for the marriage so we have a starting point to investigate?

Boo
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: JenB on Monday 25 April 22 21:09 BST (UK)
Hi I looked at the BTs for Holy Island, plus Free Reg and can't see this marriage.
Please could you tell me the source you have for the marriage so we have a starting point to investigate?

Perhaps https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N27P-KPX
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: jonwicken on Monday 25 April 22 21:28 BST (UK)
Yes that is the one! Thank you.

Looks like it was on 14th June 1812, not 12th though.

I can't find pre-1813 information anywhere for Holy Island.

If anyone can help that would be good.

Jon
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: Tickettyboo on Monday 25 April 22 21:32 BST (UK)
Hi I looked at the BTs for Holy Island, plus Free Reg and can't see this marriage.
Please could you tell me the source you have for the marriage so we have a starting point to investigate?

Perhaps https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N27P-KPX

looks like that may be the source, thanks Jennifer, though it didn't come up in a search of either the BTs or the main original Holy Island Registers on FS

The document reference is film 94996, which is in the catalogue as
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/157302?availability=Family%20History%20Library
It says its a transcript
As the notes only mention marriages to 1755 in that blurb I am at a loss as to how a marriage in 1812 would be included?

Boo
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 26 April 22 04:48 BST (UK)
Ancestry has church records prior to 1813 I didn't see the name Stevenson
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 26 April 22 09:20 BST (UK)
I can't find pre-1813 information anywhere for Holy Island.

The Bishops transcripts can be viewed here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68J9-ZKF?cc=1309819&cat=1820857 (not searchable, you must browse each page in turn)

As Boo has said, there is no sign of the marriage you mention.
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: 2zpool on Tuesday 26 April 22 14:33 BST (UK)
From a H. Maxwell Wood transcript of Holy Island:  14 June 1812 Thomas Morris and Ann Allan, both of this parish, by banns, by L. Wilson.  Witnesses: Thomas Allan, James Allan, Thomas Allan, and George Wilson.
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: jonwicken on Tuesday 26 April 22 16:10 BST (UK)
From a H. Maxwell Wood transcript of Holy Island:  14 June 1812 Thomas Morris and Ann Allan, both of this parish, by banns, by L. Wilson.  Witnesses: Thomas Allan, James Allan, Thomas Allan, and George Wilson.

This is amazing! Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 10 December 22 02:27 GMT (UK)
From a H. Maxwell Wood transcript of Holy Island:  14 June 1812 Thomas Morris and Ann Allan, both of this parish, by banns, by L. Wilson.  Witnesses: Thomas Allan, James Allan, Thomas Allan, and George Wilson.

Hello is there any chance at all that you could also please look up this marriage from this transcription for the full details:

Name:   Ralph Barker
Marriage Date:   29 Nov 1812
Marriage Place:   Holy Island, Northumberland, England
Spouse:   Elizabeth Dickson

Ralph Dixon was also a preventive boatman who died in 1818 and they must have worked together with my ancestor James Stephenson (1790-1877).

Thank you,
Jon
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: 2zpool on Saturday 10 December 22 07:05 GMT (UK)
Jon,

They did not actually get married at Holy Island but are registered as married Lamberton Toll.  Sometimes the pastor recorded marriages done in Scotland if they were members of his parish

Lamberton 29 Nov 1812

"These are to certify all whom it may concern that Ralph Barker and Elizabeth Dickson were solemnly united by me in the holy bonds of wedlock according to the rules of the Church of Scotland and they are free from all church censure? so/or as it is known, James Aitchison
Witnesses:  John Hedgley, Ann Millar, Morton? Clark and Mary Ann Clark
The above is a true copy of the certificate brought to me Dec 1st 1812 of the marriage of Ralph Barker and Elizabeth Dickson both of Holy Island,  Lancelot Wilson, Minister

Janis
Title: Re: Holy Island marriage 1812 - Thomas Morris and Ann Allan
Post by: jonwicken on Sunday 11 December 22 22:57 GMT (UK)
Jon,

They did not actually get married at Holy Island but are registered as married Lamberton Toll.  Sometimes the pastor recorded marriages done in Scotland if they were members of his parish

Lamberton 29 Nov 1812

"These are to certify all whom it may concern that Ralph Barker and Elizabeth Dickson were solemnly united by me in the holy bonds of wedlock according to the rules of the Church of Scotland and they are free from all church censure? so/or as it is known, James Aitchison
Witnesses:  John Hedgley, Ann Millar, Morton? Clark and Mary Ann Clark
The above is a true copy of the certificate brought to me Dec 1st 1812 of the marriage of Ralph Barker and Elizabeth Dickson both of Holy Island,  Lancelot Wilson, Minister

Janis

Thank you so much for this. Amazing!