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Title: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Sunday 01 May 22 23:34 BST (UK)
Jane Lennox reportedly died 1875 in Rawtenstall, Lancashire. I believe she is possibly nee Sarah Jane latimer whose daughter Marjery married Samuel Carr/Corr/Kerr in 1856 in Ireland and then moved to England where Marjery died in Oct 1888. I believe Jane's husband was likely John Lennox whom she married Apr 24, 1834 in Ireland - I  do not have the exact place, possibly Moneymore or Ballinderry.
How would I find out more about Jane? I believe that English death certificates do not have parents' names on them.
Can anyone help with this?
Thank you
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 02 May 22 07:46 BST (UK)

I see from census that she was born c1799 so presumably this death

Death Mar 1875   
LENOX    Jane   
Age 74   
Haslingden reg dist    8e   124
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Comberton on Monday 02 May 22 10:29 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 12:39 BST (UK)
Fantastic rosie99 and Comberton. You are terrific. Thank you so very much. I had originally been looking for Jane’s death in Ireland but then came to believe she had moved to Rawtenstall to live with her daughter. Thanks again. The death report is very helpful.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: emeltom on Monday 02 May 22 13:07 BST (UK)
She is in the 1871 Census with her daughter and son in law in Lancashire

RG10/4138/F18/p29
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 13:56 BST (UK)
Thank you emeltom. This is much appreciated.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 14:28 BST (UK)
Besides her daughter Marjery Carr, who died Oct 1888, in Rawstenstall, Jane may have had a daughter Elizabeth Hammersley who died 1889 in Rawtenstall and a daughter Jane who died after 1881 but not sure when and not sure if married.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 17:28 BST (UK)
Jane may have had a daughter Elizabeth Hammersley who died 1889 in Rawtenstall

I can't see a death or burial in Rawtenstall around 1889 for Elizabeth Hammersley but was this her son?
Burial 10th March 1869 St. Mary, Rawtenstall
William James Hammersley age 20
Abode South Street. Grave 562
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk

St. Mary is the parish church, the Anglican church in the town centre.
Transcriptions of St. Mary's burials registers on LAN-OPC go up to 1874.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rossendale/Rawtenstall/stmary/index.html
Rawtenstall Cemetery opened January 1877
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rossendale/Rawtenstall/cemetery/index.html
 
South St. is near town centre + near Newchurch Rd. I don't recognise "Buck Field" in the newspaper report of Jane's death. It may have been the old name of the area where those houses were built. There are many deer-related place names in the Rossendale Valley as it it was a hunting forest aka the Forest of Rossendale.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 17:52 BST (UK)
Thank you Maiden Stone. This is very helpful. Perhaps William James Hammersley buried 1869 is a cousin or uncle to Elizabeth's husband or something else.
Thanks for your help
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 18:12 BST (UK)
Jane may have had a daughter Elizabeth Hammersley who died 1889 in Rawtenstall

I can't see a death or burial in Rawtenstall around 1889 for Elizabeth Hammersley but was this her son?
Burial 10th March 1869 St. Mary, Rawtenstall
William James Hammersley age 20
Abode South Street. Grave 562
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk


 South St. is near town centre + near Newchurch Rd.

A William Hammersley of the right age on 1861 census in household of his uncle, Samuel Kerr. Also in household were Jane Hammersley, sister-in-law of Samuel and Jane Linnow, mother-in-law of Samuel. No Elizabeth Hammersley. Could Jane Linnow be Jane Lennox? Transcriptions from Family Search.
RG/09. Piece/folio 3056/12. Page 18. Place Newchurch, Whalley. Residence Dobbin Lane.
Samuel Kerr, age 25, head
Margaret Kerr 24, wife
Samuel S. (4) & Daniel (2), sons
Jane Linnow 52 widow, mother-in-law
Jane Hammersley 38 widow, sister-in-law
Wiliam Hammersley 13, nephew
Everyone born Ireland.
Dobbin Lane is off Newchurch Rd. in Cloughfold, between Rawtenstall and Newchurch. It's under Whalley for 1861 census. Whalley was one of the ancient parishes of England and was extensive.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 18:27 BST (UK)
Following on from 1861 census in reply #9.
A birth registered in Newchurch.
1861 KERR Mary Jane. Mother's maiden surname Lennox.
(Lancashire BMD)
I don't see any more Kerr birth registrations with mother's maiden surname Lennox.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 18:58 BST (UK)

I see from census that she was born c1799 so presumably this death

Death Mar 1875   
LENOX    Jane   
Age 74   
Haslingden reg dist    8e   124

Her birth year calculated from age on 1861 census was 1809.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 19:24 BST (UK)
Great Maiden Stone. Jane Linnow on 1861 has to be Jane Lennox, mother-in-law, widow. Now I know why they said John died before 1861. Also know how they got a dob for her of 1810ish. this all convinces me that Jane is nee Sarah Jane Latimer. 
Looks like it was Jane who married Hammersley. Or maybe both Jane and Elizabeth did. Jane was a widow before 1861 as well. Too bad I can't check for William James' birth in Ireland cause it was before 1864 compulsory registration.
As for children of Marjery married to Samuel Kerr, they seemed to switch to using Carr. So maybe the rest of the children are under Carr, mmn Lennox.
What started all this investigation is that I was trying to find out if John Lennox and Sarah Jane Latimer had a daughter Sarah Jane 1843-1846 who married John Crooks and stayed in Ireland. The daughter Sarah jane had father John as per her marriage record but it may not be this John Lennox.
Thanks so much for all this help
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 19:50 BST (UK)
Jane Lennox reportedly died 1875 in Rawtenstall, Lancashire. I believe she is possibly nee Sarah Jane latimer whose daughter Marjery married Samuel Carr/Corr/Kerr in 1856 in Ireland

 I believe Jane's husband was likely John Lennox whom she married Apr 24, 1834 in Ireland - I  do not have the exact place, possibly Moneymore or Ballinderry.


Irish Genealogy.ie
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Marriage registration 25th April 1856 in Magherafelt Superintendent Registrar's District (County Londonderry)
Samuel Corr full age, weaver, residence Ballyronan; father Richard, occupation weaver
Margery Lennox full age;        residence Ballyronan; father John, occupation labourer
Ceremony performed at Wood's Chapel. Parish Ardbrea ? According to rites of United Church of England.

Any connection to either Mathew Lennox or Ellen Latimer who married in Magherafelt 1858? Fathers John Lennox and Samuel Latimer. A witness was Samuel Lennox. I can't read places.
2 other Lennox marriages in 1849 in Magherafelt, Elizabeth and Jane, residence Aughrim, father John.
There were other Lennox marriages registered in Magherafelt 1845-1863, some at Woods Chapel.

Have you found any or all the daughters on 1871 and 1881 censuses? Was information about their ages and birthplaces consistent on all 3 censuses?

Where did you get the information about marriage of Jane to John Lennox? Moneymore is in County Derry. I assume the Ballinderry is also the place in Co. Derry and not the one in Co. Antrim. Ballinderry in Co. Derry is a civil and ecclesiastical parish.

Once you have got some firm facts about Jane & family from Lancashire records, I suggest you put a request for their Irish origins on the Derry/Londonderry board. Add a link back to this thread so that people can see what you already know. 




 
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 20:10 BST (UK)

Looks like it was Jane who married Hammersley. Or maybe both Jane and Elizabeth did. Jane was a widow before 1861 as well. Too bad I can't check for William James' birth in Ireland cause it was before 1864 compulsory registration.
As for children of Marjery married to Samuel Kerr, they seemed to switch to using Carr.


There were Hammersley birth and death registrations in & near Manchester. I couldn't see any in Rawtenstall.
You may also consider the surname may have been incorrectly transcribed Walmersley, a common surname and name of 2 places in Lancashire. Try Ammersley/ie or Annersley too.
Could Elizabeth have been Elizabeth Jane? It was a popular combination of names.
Carr is a common Lancashire surname.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 20:11 BST (UK)
I have checked online trees and whereas I have John's parents as James Lennox and Marjory Tomlinson, most trees have James Lennox and Ann Dick.
there is some confusion. If Jane Hammersley was 38 in 1861, she was born 1822ish.  So can't be daughter of John Lennox and Sarah Jane Latimer who married in 1834. Also Jane Lennox would only be 12. Oh woe is me.
I am sure we are talking about Ballinderry, Co. Derry, which is between Wood's Chapel in Ballyronan and Moneymore,Co. Derry.
this clearly needs some sorting out. Or perhaps Jane Hammersley was married to Samuel Carr's brother and was not a daughter of Jane Lennox at all. That must be it.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 20:53 BST (UK)
Jane Linnow on 1861 has to be Jane Lennox, mother-in-law, widow. Now I know why they said John died before 1861. Also know how they got a dob for her of 1810ish. this all convinces me that Jane is nee Sarah Jane Latimer. 

 Too bad I can't check for William James' birth in Ireland cause it was before 1864 compulsory registration.


Marjory/Margret's age on 1861 census was 24 = estimate yob approximately 1836/7
Marjory stated she was full age (21or over) when she married in April 1856. If that was true = estimated year of birth 1834/5.
A birth year around 1810 for Jane Latimer/Lennox would be more likely than around 1800 for a marriage in 1834 if it was her first marriage.
The only record you may find for William James is a baptism.


 If Jane Hammersley was 38 in 1861, she was born 1822ish.  So can't be daughter of John Lennox and Sarah Jane Latimer who married in 1834. Also Jane Lennox would only be 12. Oh woe is me.

 Or perhaps Jane Hammersley was married to Samuel Carr's brother and was not a daughter of Jane Lennox at all.
 

Other possibilities:
Ages of adults may have been inaccurate. Most adults were asked their ages only once a decade and some couldn't keep track. Marjory/Margret should have been at least 2 years older on 1861 census to comply with her age at marriage. She was the youngest adult in the household so if she was a bit vague, the older females may have been vaguer.
Jane Hammersley may have been a daughter from an earlier marriage of John Lennox.

Were they definitely all C of E./C. of I.?
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 21:13 BST (UK)
A couple of marriages in Magherafelt to consider.
1848 William Hammersley & Jane McMurray
1854 James Hammersley & Eliza Shiels. Eliza was a widow. Her father's surname was Shiels so Shiels was Eliza's maiden surname. 
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 02 May 22 21:46 BST (UK)

Burial 10th March 1869 St. Mary, Rawtenstall
William James Hammersley age 20
Abode South Street. Grave 562
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk

St. Mary is the parish church, the Anglican church in the town centre.
Transcriptions of St. Mary's burials registers on LAN-OPC go up to 1874.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rossendale/Rawtenstall/stmary/index.html


Church Registers Guides in Lancashire Archives. Printed guides in 3 sections - C. of E., R.C. and N.C. Arranged alphabetically by place within each section.
St. Mary, Rawtenstall. Deaths 1843-1962. Removal of graves 1966-7 MIs on microfiche.
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/898375/R.pdf

Find A Grave St. Mary's Churchyard, Rawtenstall
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2727201/st-mary's-churchyard
Inscriptions for only 41 graves.

Jane Lennox was likely buried at St. Mary unless she belonged to another denomination. There's a Methodist churchyard, Longholme in the town centre. There were several Methodist churches in & around town and a Unitarian church. Also a Catholic church with a churchyard.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Monday 02 May 22 22:34 BST (UK)
Thinking of Jane Hammersley. If she was born abt 1822, whether Carr or Lennox, she could be married before 1845 and her marriage won't be online. I am thinking she must be Carr as she can't be from a first marriage of John Lennox if he was born 1810ish as well as Sarah Jane Latimer as he would only be 12 as well in 1822.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 May 22 14:30 BST (UK)
I found a note online that said the marriage of John Lennox and Sarah jane Latimer was at Moneymore First Presbyterian, Apr 24, 1834. Doesn't mean the children's baptisms are there as well. But I went online to find a contact address or other information about this church. There is only a phone number, no website, no email, no minister at the moment. So I phoned. The lady who answered said she had no information, no access to records, and no idea who I would contact. So I went to the Proni website and there is a microfilm covering that year. Since I live 10,000 miles away, and in Covid times, I won't be going there any time soon.
Thanks everyone for your help.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 May 22 15:23 BST (UK)
On the 1861 census with Jane Lennox and Jane Hammersley, I think the household above might be another daughter of Jane Lennox, named Ann, and there is an Elizabeth Lennox in the household, age 38, so perhaps a sister to John Lennox. None of this proven as yet.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 May 22 19:01 BST (UK)
I searched the GRO and Elizabeth Lennox did die in the March quarter of 1889 in Haslingden. Looks like she did not marry but I am not sure what would be gained by ordering the death certificate if parents are not listed on it. If she was 38 in 1861 she would be born 1822ish and births in Ireland are not found online before 1864 so you would have to find the right church. If parents were listed at death, it would clarify her mothers name. I am thinking she’s John’s sister. Don’t know if she would have a death notice or write up that might help.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Comberton on Tuesday 03 May 22 20:20 BST (UK)
Death
Elizabeth Lennox 64
Mar 1889 Haslingden

Probate
16 March. The Will of Elizabeth Lennox, late of 3 East Parade, Rawtenstall in the County of Lancaster, widow who died 17th February 1889 at Rawtenstall was proved at Lancaster by Henry Whitaker of 2 Mount Terrace, Rawtenstall Insurance Agent the sole Executor.
Personal Estate £82 2s

1881 census Haslingden
Elizabeth Lomax 61 Head widow   County Derry, Ireland
Jane Hammersley 57 sister widow   County Derry, Ireland
4134/5/6

You can buy the will for £1.50
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 May 22 20:57 BST (UK)
wow, isn't that interesting.Elizabeth was a widow. I immediately went to order will but can't find it. tried various spellings, went forward for 10 years, tried just "l" for last name, just Eliza for first name, didn't know what to do. This could be a very interesting will.
So I  went to Ancestry and found the page regarding her will. Why doesn't it come up on Gov.uk? I used the exact same spelling as on Ancestry and the notice regarding probate. Tried with no first name, only Lennox. What to do, what to do?
thank you so much, Comberton.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 May 22 21:14 BST (UK)
I wrote to Gov.uk to explain the situation and asked for help. Gave them the details of the will/probate.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Comberton on Tuesday 03 May 22 21:18 BST (UK)
Unfortunately they have recently updated the Probate web site and now it is very difficult to use and sounds very frustrating from the threads on here.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 03 May 22 22:25 BST (UK)
Well, sister Jane Hammersley supposedly died in 1889. I can't find that either.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 May 22 00:44 BST (UK)
There is an online tree that says that Ann McCormick, nee Lennox, died Apr 2, 1883 in Rawtenstall. I found her marriage record in 1852 and she had father John, who was a servant man, and she was born in Co. Derry abt 1835.
this  tree is such a mess.
Peggy
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 04 May 22 15:16 BST (UK)
There is an online tree that says that Ann McCormick, nee Lennox, died Apr 2, 1883 in Rawtenstall.

Age 50 but that may have been a guess by whoever was informant. (Lancashire BMD)
Parents were not named on English death certificates.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 04 May 22 15:36 BST (UK)
On the 1861 census with Jane Lennox and Jane Hammersley, I think the household above might be another daughter of Jane Lennox, named Ann,


Birthplace for all children in household was Manchester. This family had been in England longer than Samuel Kerr/Carr/Corr & family next door. Eldest McCormick child born c.1855, youngest c.1859.

These may be birth registrations for the 2 daughters of Richard & Ann McCormick. Both in Ancoats sub-district.
1854 Jane
1858 Elizabeth A.

Added. I meant to quote part of this and then add children's birth registrations but I clicked "Modify" instead of "Quote". Result - I've deleted most of the original post.  :-[
 
 
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 May 22 16:29 BST (UK)
Another development. So Jane Hammersley’s maiden name must also be McCormick. But shouldn’t Elizabeth be a sister rather than sister-in-law in 1861.
I don’t find Elizabeth married to a Lennox on Irishgenealogy unless it is before 1845.

Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 04 May 22 17:12 BST (UK)
Another development. So Jane Hammersley’s maiden name must also be McCormick. But shouldn’t Elizabeth be a sister rather than sister-in-law in 1861.
I don’t find Elizabeth married to a Lennox on Irishgenealogy unless it is before 1845.



McCormick for Elizabeth on 1861 census may be an error. Unless sister-in-law meant step-sister, as it sometimes did. I've not seen image of census enumerator's book.
One can't draw any firm conclusions yet from 1861 census.

Household of Richard & Ann McCormick on 1881 census.
Event place: Lower Booths, Lancashire; Reg. district: Haslingden; Residence: East Parade;
Piece/Folio 4134/16;  Registration number RG 11; Page 27
Richard McCormick  47   head;        born Ireland, cotton weaver
Ann McCormick       48   wife           b.    Derry
Elizabeth A.            22   daughter    b. Manchester
David C.                 15   son            b. Rawtenstall
Emmanuel              14   son            b. Rawtenstall  occupation baker
Adam L.                 12   son            b. Rawtenstall
Leah                      19   daughter    b. Rawtenstall

East Parade is the next Street to South St. in Rawtenstall, the address on 1861 census.
Lower Booths was an old township in Rossendale. It contained 3 divisions, Rawtenstall, Constable Lee/Constablee and Oakenhead Wood. The township ceased to exist in 1894 when it was absorbed in the new townships of Rawtenstall and Haslingden.
"The District of Rossendale" pages on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rossendale/index.html
Map in menu shows the township boundaries. The McCormick and Kerr families lived in the small township which comprises Rawtenstall town centre, east of Oakenheadwood township.
"A History of the County of Lancaster" Victoria County History series volume 6
Digitised as "British History Online".
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol6/pp435-436

Birth registrations for 2 children from 1881 census:
1861 MCCORMACK  Leah;               mother's maiden surname Lennox;   Sub-district Newchurch
1865 MCCORMICK   David Clayton;  mother's maiden surname Lennox;   Sub-district Newchurch
Can't see birth registrations for Emmanuel or Adam or for MCormack/McCormick without a forename.
Another child not on 1881 census was John James birth registered 1863.

Death registrations:
1871 MCCORMACK  John James  age 8   Rossendale sub-district
1881 MCCORMICK   Richard       age 47  Rosendale sub-district 

Source Lancashire BMD. 
 
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 May 22 19:20 BST (UK)
You are so very knowledgeable, Maiden Stone and thank you for sharing.
As for my inability to find Elizabeth's will on Gov.uk, I  received this message after my enquiry. "Your enquiry has been passed to the HM Courts & Tribunals team who manage the 'Find a will' service."
There are many online trees that say Richard McCormick died in July 1881. Haven't found that as yet. Didn't find a will listed for either Richard or wife Ann, checking forward at least 10 years.
I googled Emmanuel McCormick and this came up but when I click on the link, I don't find it. Has to be a different Emmanuel as Richard's son is only 10 in 1877. Funnily enough, he was also a baker.

 Marriage: 16 Dec 1877 St Mary, Rawtenstall, Lancs. ... St Mary, Rawtenstall, Lancs. Emmanuel Lord McCormick - (X), 20 years, Baker, Bachelor, Market Street
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 04 May 22 19:21 BST (UK)

Probate
16 March. The Will of Elizabeth Lennox, late of 3 East Parade, Rawtenstall in the County of Lancaster, widow who died 17th February 1889

1881 census Haslingden
Elizabeth Lomax 61 Head widow   County Derry, Ireland
Jane Hammersley 57 sister widow   County Derry, Ireland
4134/5/6


Address on 1881 census was Back Bank Street. Bank Street is the main shopping street. East Parade and South Street are behind Bank St. There's also a Back Lane at the top of Bank St. The extended Lennox, Kerr, McCormick family seem to have remained in the same small locality of narrow streets for 3 decades.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 May 22 19:27 BST (UK)
I found the birth of John James McCormick, mmn Lennox in Dec quarter of 1863. Fits with death in 1871 at age 8.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 04 May 22 20:42 BST (UK)

There are many online trees that say Richard McCormick died in July 1881. Haven't found that as yet.

I googled Emmanuel McCormick and this came up but when I click on the link, I don't find it. Has to be a different Emmanuel as Richard's son is only 10 in 1877. Funnily enough, he was also a baker.

 Marriage: 16 Dec 1877 St Mary, Rawtenstall, Lancs. ... St Mary, Rawtenstall, Lancs. Emmanuel Lord McCormick - (X), 20 years, Baker, Bachelor, Market Street

Death of Richard in Lancashire BMD indexes in 1881 fits his age on 1881 census (my reply #32)

There's a typo with year in the Emmanuel McCormick marriage you posted. Marriage was in 1888. Father Richard. Address of bride, Mary Elizabeth Anderson was Back South Street. Both witnesses had Irish names.
 Emmanuel & Mary Elizabeth had a son, Richard Henry in 1889, Born July, baptised December. Baptism at St. Nicholas, Newchurch-in-Rossendale. Abode Millend.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rossendale/Newchurch/stnicholas/index.html
Emmanuel & Mary Elizabeth McCormick were in Blackburn on 1891 census. 2 lodgers in household. Mary Anderson, widow, born Ireland, lodger. (Relative of Emanuel's wife?) Joseph age 11. Don't know who he belonged to; his surname isn't transcribed.
Emmanuel Lord McCormick death registered in Clitheroe 1910. Age 42.
Emmanuel's brother, David and Adam also married at St. Mary, Rawtenstall. David was a baker when he married. All brothers had middle names which may have been surnames from previous generations. One has been transcribed as Handley and Standley.
A MCCormick sister married at Burnley.
Emmanuel and a brother had their children baptised C. of E. Couldn't find baptisms for any children of the other brother.
David & wife + children were buried at Rawtenstall cemetery but not all in same grave. Surname transcribed McCormack and McCormick and David's middle name Clayton as Clutton on 1 record. The family had moved back to Dobbin Lane at one point.
There were a few McCormick burials at St. Nicholas, Newchurch. John & Sophia + a child. Address at one burial was near Emmanuel's home when his son was baptised at the church in 1889. May be coincidence.

Sources: Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk and Lancashire BMD
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 04 May 22 20:53 BST (UK)
I found the birth of John James McCormick, mmn Lennox in Dec quarter of 1863. Fits with death in 1871 at age 8.

Burial St. Mary, Rawtenstall. 3 other McCormick children in same grave. 2 babies Cain Abel and Albert 1872 and Eve aged 2 buried 1873.  :(
Found using Ancestor Search on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website. Quicker than searching burials index for Mac/Mc surnames.
Transcriptions of St. Mary burial registers on the website only go up to 1874. There may have been more family burials at St. Mary before Rawtenstall cemetery opened in 1877. People were allowed to be buried in St. Mary's churchyard after 1877 if there was space in their family plots.
The part of town next to St. Mary was redeveloped in 1960's to create a roundabout and St. Mary's Way. I think that's when some graves and gravestones would have been removed . There's a list at Lancashire Archives. However, the McCormick/Lennox/Hamersley families may not have been able to afford gravestones. 
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 04 May 22 23:58 BST (UK)
I found the births of Cain Abel and Albert Edward McCormick readily, also  their deaths but Eve was under Cormick.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 05 May 22 07:13 BST (UK)
Emmanuel’s birth is under Cornnick, M quarter, Haslingden. Adam Stanley is under Cormick, M quarter.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 May 22 17:31 BST (UK)
Today, I  received the death record for Elizabeth Lennox, Feb 16, 1889, age 64, 3 East Parade, Rawtenstall. This record proved very interesting. First of all, Elizabeth must not be a widow as indicated on the 1881 census with her sister Jane Hammersley, also indicated as a widow. Elizabeth's death certificate says she is the daughter of Robert Lennox, a farmer, deceased. Unless Elizabeth Lennox married another Lennox between 1861 when single and 1881 when a widow and the probate of her will which says she was a widow. Informant was John R. Heyworth, a nephew, living at same address. Investigation of the nephew might help.
Secondly, if Elizabeth and Jane Hammersley are truly sisters as per 1881 census, Jane was also a Lennox before marriage.
However, Margery Carr/Corr/Kerr had father John as per her marriage record. So did Ann. So how can Elizabeth be Richard McCormick's sister in law in 1861 if Ann and Eliz. had different fathers. How can Jane Hammersley be a sister in law to Samuel Kerr if Jane and Margery had different fathers?
Or is Eliz. death certificate in error? Death certificate does not give marital status, only says daughter of Robert Lennox. The missing record of Elizabeth's will is still under investigation by gov.uk.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 May 22 18:40 BST (UK)
Oh, I see that Leah McCormick, daughter of Richard McCormick and Ann Lennox, married John Richard Heyworth. If he is Elizabeth Lennox's nephew as per her death certificate, Ann and Elizabeth must be sisters. but Ann's father is John as per her marriage in 1852 and Elizabeth's father is Robert as per her death certificate. Now thinking that Elizabeth's death certificate is in error as to Elizabeth's father. The various censuses indicate that children Ann, Margery, Elizabeth, and Jane were siblings. I really think Elizabeth's will would help if it can ever be found.
The death of Ann's mother Jane Lennox/Lenox is expected to be dispatched to me on May 13.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 10 May 22 19:22 BST (UK)
A couple of thoughts about Elizabeth's death certificate.
The nephew-in-law may have got the father's name wrong. Was Elizabeth the last sister in Rawtenstall to die?
Elizabeth may have reverted to using her maiden surname after she was widowed. It was a custom in some localities in Ireland; it's mentioned in Robert Matheson's book about surnames in Ireland. Matheson was Registrar General of Ireland in 1900. A woman retaining her maiden surname is also a Scottish custom.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 10 May 22 19:33 BST (UK)
A couple of thoughts about Elizabeth's death certificate.
The nephew-in-law may have got the father's name wrong. Was Elizabeth the last sister in Rawtenstall to die?
Elizabeth may have reverted to using her maiden surname after she was widowed. It was a custom in some localities in Ireland; it's mentioned in Robert Matheson's book about surnames in Ireland. Matheson was Registrar General of Ireland in 1900. A woman retaining her maiden surname is also a Scottish custom.

It wasn't a custom in the area of Ulster that the Lennox family was from.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 10 May 22 19:44 BST (UK)

It wasn't a custom in the area of Ulster that the Lennox family was from.

Thanks. Matheson mentioned maiden surnames used for deceased widows but didn't say where.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 10 May 22 19:45 BST (UK)
Yes, nephew could be wrong. Margery Carr died either Oct or Nov 1883(can’t find). Jane Hammersley died 1889, can’t find. Maybe should check maiden name Lennox. There is a Jane Lomax died in Manchester 1889. Found Ann MacCormick in 1883.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 12 May 22 03:55 BST (UK)
I may have figured out this family. First of all, I found the birth of William James Hammersley June 4, 1848 in Castledawson. His parents Jane Lennox and William Hammersley were not married. William James was not baptised until 1850.
I believe the parents of this family were John Lennox and Jane Simpson. I haven't found a date of death for John and I haven't received Jane's death certificate as yet (2 more days).
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 12 May 22 04:28 BST (UK)
There is a Jane Lennox who died 1882 in Haslingden. Age is 48 which is abt 12 years out but one never knows.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Thursday 12 May 22 15:55 BST (UK)
Today, I was successful in ordering the will of Elizabeth Lennox from 1889.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 14 May 22 03:05 BST (UK)
Today, I received the death certificate of Jane Lennox, mother of all these Lennoxes in Rawtenstall. Said she was age 74, widow of John Lennox, carter, and her son-in-law  Samuel Carr was present. Samuel was married to Margery Lennox whose mother was Jane Simpson so now we know who this was.
I  am now waiting for the will of Elizabeth Lennox and the death certificate of Jane Lennox (whom I think is Jane Hammersley) who died 1882.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Tuesday 17 May 22 14:55 BST (UK)
I have received the death certificates of both Elizabeth Lennox and her sister Jane. Jane died in 1882 and was single with her brother-in-law Samuel Carr present. Still waiting for Elizabeth’s will.
Title: Re: Death Jane Lennox, 1875, South Street, Buck Field, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Post by: Peggy13 on Saturday 21 May 22 21:58 BST (UK)
Hello, I now have Elizabeth Lennox' will  written in Oct 1888 but her death was Feb 16, 1889. She claims to be a widow in the will. I don't get it. In 1861, she is unmarried and living with Richard McCormick and family. In 1881, Elizabeth is living with Jane Hammersley and both say they are widows. In 1889, when Elizabeth dies, there is no indication of her being married as the death simply gives her father's name as Robert which is an error. Doesn't say widow of anyone. But the will  does say widow. I don't think so.