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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: Ceeoh on Monday 09 May 22 16:49 BST (UK)
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I have a record of the birth of Edward Burnsides 9 February 1803 to
Ambrose Burnsides, native of Blackwell (Darlington)
by his wife
Elizabeth Hull native of Stays
Anyone know of Stays, or could it be Staithes (colloq)
Cannot find the marriage of Elizabeth Hull and Ambrose, but have a marriage for Elizabeth Harrison (widow) to Ambrose 16 February 1802, St Cuthbert Darlington.
Could Elizabeth Hull and Elizabeth Harrison be the same person, and where is/was Stays?
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I cannot find a Harrison/Hull marriage either. I would agree that Stays is most likely Staithes - it is also known as Steers.
Is this Elizabeth Burnsides the Elizabeth Burnside who was buried at St Cuthbert, Darlington on 26 May 1844, aged 64? If so, there is a brief article in the Newcastle Courant 7 June 1844 re: her death and the subsequent inquest. According to Elizabeth's daughter, the deceased was walking out close to her residence in Princess Square when she suddenly fell down and instantly expired. The verdict was "Died by the visitation of God." There is a death notice for Ambrose Burnsides in the Durham County Advertiser 24 June 1831 - at Darlington "yesterday se'nnight" aged 55. Burial St Cuthbert, Darlington as Burnside 18 June 1831.
There are other baptisms for children of Ambrose & Elizabeth. One on 28 Nov 1804 at St Andrew, Auckland is for Elizabeth, daughter of Ambrose Burnside, a n. of Blackwell, and his wife Elizabeth Watson, a n. of this parish. The plot thickens ;)
ADDED: sorry, just found a marriage for Ambrose Burnside & Elizabeth Watson on 8 Oct 1803 at St Andrew, Auckland.
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Elizabeth Hull married Samuel Harrison in Darlington 27 October 1974.
Haven't yet found a death for Samuel.
Staithes is a couple of miles from Easington in Cleveland where there is a baptism for an Elizabeth Hull 7 November 1766 father Robert
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Thank you for replies. Have just started looking into this family from the female lines as the Burnside/s lines are very complicated with many names dates and places occurring in the same areas at the same times.
I rather think the Elizabeth Harrison, widow, who married Ambrose in 1802 is the same Elizabeth Hull (maiden name), of Stays. As the entry says "of Yorkshire" perhaps with a previous marriage to Samuel Harrison, Elizabeth had been in service somewhere in Darlington.
Stays - Staithes - Steers?? Perhaps the parish clerk or whoever made the entry wrote what he "heard"
If it is the same Elizabeth Hull born 1766:
1794 marriage to Samuel Harrison Elizabeth aged +-28
1802 marriage to Ambrose Burnsides Elizabeth aged +-36
Elizabeth died 1844 aged 64 looks very tempting but that makes her dob around 1780, she is unlikely to have been the one married to Samuel Harrison. Then again, would her daughter have really known her age?
From what little I have to date the family seemed to stay around Darlington and later Guisborough, but with Ambrose's occupation he could very well have been anywhere in the Auckland, Darlington area. I think this is a good example of the confusing names dates and places appearing at the same time.
Many thanks
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Here's an article from the well-known newspaper around these parts The Darlington & Stockton Times regarding the pronunciation of Staithes. Halfway down the page:
https://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.co.uk/lookingback/18941444.staithes-steeres-runswick-runsick---pronunciation-puzzles-north-yorkshire-coast/
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There do seem to be 2 Ambrose Burnsides around at the same time. From death indexes on Durham Records online
Ambrose b.1776 d. Darlington area 1831
Ambrose b. 1763, d. Sedgefield 1843
If they both married an Elizabeth, that could be confusing.
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Many thanks for the article, very interesting. I am originally from Redcar and would refer to Staithes as Steers and Runsick Bay - no W. Copy and paste for future reference. Not sure if Darlington and Stockton Times are on FindMyPast.
The Burnsides are a very convoluted family as mentioned before, up to the present a cousin has been following the line and established who g-grandmother Burnsides belonged to**, I have recently done AncestryDNA (no results yet) so thought I would try and link up the female line.
**daughter of Edward (of Yackly), son of Ambrose (of Yackly), which I believe is Aycliffe (Darlington)
It seemed Ambrose was a popular name in the traveller community of the day, not that they seemed to travel far, staying in the South Durham North Yorkshire area.
Many thanks for interest and input.
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There's a thread about an Ambrose Burnside (or 2?) on another forum, which mentions some of the above events:
https://genealogy-specialists.com/threads/a-brand-new-query-on-ambrose-burnside-s.9209/
Having looked at it again, I'm not sure I really follow who was who, but hopefully it will make more sense to you. (It stuck in my mind because I did a bit of browsing in the Darlington BTs and quite by chance came across an entry which unlocked a mystery in my tree.)
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Oh my word!! the thread on genealogy-specialists really does emphasise the convoluted Burnside/s family. Thanks for the link. This needs more than one reading.
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I think it does! If you search that other forum you'll find lots of other posts about Ambrose and other Burnsides, but you may wish to note that the person who created the thread I linked to, and who wrote many of the other posts, has fairly recently died.
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Many thanks arthurk, isn't that just genealogists law - the person to ask is no longer with us.
Will have a look at further postings.