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Gregor Aubrey Graham was the husband of my Great-Aunt - he was born in UK I think, but certainly married in Portsmouth, Hampshire in 1904.
He was a Civil Engineer for many years working for the Government Railways in Nigeria from 1916 until 1927 when he was knighted for his services.
I have next found him in Kitale, in the Trans Nzoia electoral area of Kenya where his occupation is stated to be Planter - in 1934 his elder son, was also living in Kitale and he was a Mechanical Engineer according to Voters Poll Lists in the Kenyan Gazette. The latter then moved to the electoral area of Coast - in particular the Taveta Estate in 1936.
I know that Sir Gregor died in a Nursing Home in Pietersmaritzburg in the Natal in September 1947 after 7 years illness.
I would be grateful to receive any more information about Sir Gregor as I have a gap from 1938 until his death.
In addition, I haven't been able to find any further trace of his son's whereabouts since 1938 either. He was born in January 1906 in Southsea, Hampshire, and around in 1911 for the census but not in 1921 with his mother, sister and younger son living in Totnes, Devon. I have no idea if he married and have no proof either that he has died although this seems likely as he would now be 118 - older than the verified oldest man still alive! so I haven't included his name in this message.
Thank you for bothering to read this message and any help offered will be very gratefully received and appreciated.
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Every reference I can find has his name as Sir Aubrey Gregor Graham.
The son Leslie is mentioned here in Uganda in 1955:
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Saben_s_Commercial_Directory_and_Handboo/6FcUAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=lesley+aubrey+hammond+graham&dq=lesley+aubrey+hammond+graham&printsec=frontcover
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Thank you so much for replying so quickly about his son's whereabouts.
Wow - can't believe I forgot to add that he was knighted in 1927 although of course he was Sir Gregor by the time he was resident in Kenya - remembered to mention that in my post in the Nigerian section - presumably his service in the Railways there was why he received that award - not helpful so many apologies.
Cheers and thanks again.
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It looks like he was usually known as Aubrey Gregor Graham, rather than Gregor Aubrey Graham.
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You are so right - forgot to mention that as well - sorry - In 1916 was still known as Gregor Aubrey as per a Ship's Passenger List in that year but according to the relevant ship's passenger list in 1918 he was recorded as being Aubrey Graham and was known that way for the rest of his life.
Because he travelled back to UK so regularly - about every 2 years - and with the family records I have managed to find, I am positive that they are one and the same person however.
Thank you again.
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Born in New Zealand according to this Death Notice
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS7R-V9Q9-P?cc=2573604&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPHY-649Q
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ShaunJ -
Thank you once more - I had wondered about his place of birth - had found something about NZ but wondered if it was a village called NZ in Wiltshire.
Very intriguing about his daughter as I and a friend helping me haven't found any records of a marriage and have just checked that name against all 3 ancestry sites with no luck unfortunately.
Many thanks again
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Have you investigated http://www.europeansineastafrica.co.uk/ (http://www.europeansineastafrica.co.uk)? It’s a very rich resource.
There’s information about the Preddy family, in particular Frank Preddy, Monica’s husband. They also include Leslie’s death in 2000 under Sir Gregor’s entry, though you will need to check the sources.
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First, I must apologise for not reading all the info on your other message and repeating the information you were already given.
Regarding his son George Angus Ian Graham, I have found an article relating to his death in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette dated 2 August, 1940. It is a rather lengthy one so I will be brief.
Lieutenant Graham R.N. Son of Aubrey of Kenya and Lady Graham of Sunnysideup, Chardstock, was accidentally killed 9 days ago up in Scotland during execution of his duties, and was buried at sea with full naval honours. He was First Lieutenant in a submarine.
There is a full description of his naval career. He visited his mother in Chardstock while on leave. He had an elder brother Leslie who was serving with the Kenya Forces and a sister, Mrs Preddy, also residing in Kenya.
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Not very helpfully - the East African Standard was very much the settlers' newspaper. The British Library holds some copies (if I remember they are only the Saturday editions) and they are not digitised. A long search through these might reveal nuggets of information, or might not. I trawled through many copies in the old reading rooms many years ago (and found nothing on the person I was looking for!)
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Thank you GrahamSimons for trying to help me anyway - appreciated.
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It's confusing having two threads on the go !
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Ili1133 - Thank you for that link - will have a look at it shortly.
Middlesbrough - Please don't apologise - it's my fault completely - as shaunj Has just posted it's very confusing having 2 threads on the go at the same time - I must admit I hadn't realised that so many of the Rootschat community would read both threads - had thought I was reaching out to more people this way and it is down to me for not realising how wonderful everyone is in their diligence and research - I promise I won't make the same mistake again.
Thank you for the extra information about all 3 of the children of Sir & Lady Graham - very enlightening and obviously more research required by myself.
ShaunJ - yes - apologies for my error in doing this at the same time and thank you for helping me regardless.
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I had a look through both posts but I didn't see any reference as to whether Gregor/Aubrey was listed on the UK 1911 census?
Annie
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Rosinish - He isn't on the 1911 Census - it was completed by his wife and on the Return she wrote that her husband was working abroad.
Unfortunately I haven't found any trace of him before 1914 but he may have been in Nigeria at that time as the first source I have then is that he was on a Passenger List of the ship Karina returning to the UK from the West Coast of Africa - from Focardos to Liverpool, although he disembarked at Plymouth, in March 1914 - his occupation is shown as Civil Engineer. He was 46 so think he may have been working abroad, if not Nigeria, for some considerable time before.
I am still finding more Passenger Lists that I have yet to investigate fully so maybe able to prove his whereabouts before both 1911 and 1914.
Thank you for raising this point as it has reminded me to check Passenger Lists thoroughly again.
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It's difficult to know where to post what.
It would be an idea to have 1 of the threads locked with a message directing people to reply on the other thread...
Link to other thread - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rmr/
Regarding his son George Angus Ian Graham, I have found an article relating to his death in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette dated 2 August, 1940.
Lieutenant Graham R.N. Son of Aubrey of Kenya and Lady Graham of Sunnysideup, Chardstock, was accidentally killed 9 days ago up in Scotland during execution of his duties, and was buried at sea with full naval honours. He was First Lieutenant in a submarine.
Death index on SP (scotlandspeople)...
GRAHAM GEORGE ANGUS I - 25 - 1940 - 507/ 72 Campbeltown (Argyll)
Hopefully it should help when you receive the marriage cert. of Gregor/Aubrey with name & occ. of father & maybe a relative as a witness.
For others following...http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rms/
Annie
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The other thread has already been locked, Annie, but there’s no message yet redirecting people here.
In fact this is to add a little to the original question on that thread about Sir Aubrey’s ‘missing years’ in Nigeria. The Blue Book 1921 for Nigeria (accessed through Google) has him employed in the Railway Administration Department, as Divisional Superintendent and seconded as Chief Construction Engineer to the Eastern Railway. Date of appointment to the Colonial Administration: 21 Oct 1900.
His career must have started earlier than that, so was he working previously on railway construction either in Nigeria or another of the African projects?
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The other thread has already been locked, Annie, but there’s no message yet redirecting people here.
Thanks, I hadn't noticed but I've requested a Mod to direct others to reply here.
Annie
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It might be worth exploring the Nationl Archives. I've had a quick look in the research guides and it looks as if there are no personnel files, but this guide might help; no records digitised, however.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/colonies-and-dependencies-1850-1926-using-colonial-office-registers-to-locate-correspondence/
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And although this gentleman is now past living memory, there might be a chance of making a connection here: https://kenyasociety.org/
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Thank you everyone for trying to help me still despite the confusion over the 2 threads under Kenya and Nigeria.
Rosinish - thank you for giving me the info from Scottish People and for asking a Moderator to set up a link to this thread. I would agree completely that he must have been working in Africa for several years before those entries I have found so far simply because of his age.
It is quite frustrating not being able to trace his birth - yet - and any sources before his marriage in 1904 to my Great/Grand-Aunt but hoping that when the Marriage Certificate arrives, it will shed light on that area, which fingers crossed will extend my research.
I am now trying to find out more about the children's lives as well of course.
The latest information I have about Leslie Aubrey is 1955 when he was shown to be in Western Uganda according to Saben's Commercial Directory - thanks again to information provided previously in this thread - and would be delighted if anyone can help me further in trying to trace his whereabouts, especially whether he married, had children and when he died.
According to the information I had found about Monica, she hadn't married and died in Chard in 1993. I find this sad as I moved to the Somerset/Dorset area in 1987 and if I had known of her existence, I might have learnt more about the Hammond side of my family and their ancestors.
My mother carried out some Family History research in the 1980s but this sister was never mentioned in any of it. Very puzzling.
The other sister, Ethel Lillian May, birth 1890, also emigrated to Africa but know very little of her either following her marriage to and living there to a RF or William H (known as Bill in her letters to my mother in 1962/3) Noakes but have discovered she may have been married previously to a gentleman named Burroughs as I believe her daughter, Elizabeth, known as Betty to the family, had the surname of Burroughs. In 1965 she wrote to my mother following my grandfather's death (her brother-in-law) from her home, Stonehenge, in Transvaal, South Africa. According to the Transvaal Estate Duties Index she died in 1972 - Ref No 9609/72 in the Pretoria National Archives. I have of course been trying to discover more about her and her daughter since I started researching Family History in 2014.
Their brother was Arthur Dudley Seeley Hammond - born December 1888 and killed in 1918 during WW1 in the Nieppe Forest in Flanders - no whereabouts of actual burial but his name is included on the Ploegsteert Memorial in Hainault, Belgium - wasn't married as only 20 at the time of his death and thus has no descendents.
Obviously the other sister was my maternal granny - Hilda Irene Hammond.
Graham Simons - thank you - had searched National Archives for further information hopefully
but will now have another look, using the link you have suggested. Also for the new link which I will now investigate as well.
Ili1133 - will look for the Blue Book 1921 on Google - had been using it already and that is how I found the information about the Official Gazette of Kenya but will keep having a go and using all the names I now have, thanks to everyone's contributions to this and the other thread.
Thank you all so much for showing so much interest in my thread and for trying to help me find out more about my past family.
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I have now ascertained from Page 41 of Section 12 of the Annual Blue Book of the Colony & Protectorate of Nigeria of 1920 that Aubrey Gregor Graham was first employed under the Colonial Government on 21st October 1900 - presumably in the Railways as by 1920 he was Divisional Superintendent of the Eastern Division of the Railway Administration Department and in receipt of an annual salary of £1,050.
Thank you Ili1133 for mentioning this link in one of your posts earlier in this thread.
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Ethel Hammond married Cyril j Noakes 1911, Sussex. They travelled to South Africa 1923. Cyril was in the RN.
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Not sure where I can view the actual image of the below, but a lot of the criterior of this post seem to fit and may forward the search??
NAME: A G Mr Graham
AGE: 22
BIRTH YEAR: 1866
DEPARTURE DATE: Aug 1888
DEPARTURE PLACE: Victoria, Australia
DESTINATION: LONDON VIA PORTS
SHIP: ARCADIA
SHIP'S MASTER: ANDREWS M
PAGE: 1
After this sailing a Mr A G Graham ( and G Graham) is back and forth to Australia between 1890-1913 although the dob is more often 1874/5.
John
Added, this passport application reads to me A G Graham not A S.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBOR%2FPPORT%2FFO611_15_164&parentid=GBOR%2FPPORT%2F113653
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Ethel Hammond married Cyril j Noakes 1911, Sussex. They travelled to South Africa 1923. Cyril was in the RN.
Possible daughter
Births Dec 1913
NOAKES Muriel B mmn Hammond Portsmouth 2b 880
NOAKES, MURIEL BETTY HAMMOND
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 880
John
Added Cyril is Cyril John Langham (laugham) Noakes, RN history on FindMyPast>
NOAKES, CYRIL JOHN LAUGHAM NOAKES
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 370 Occasional Copy: A
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Thank you Middlesbrough and John Hood for both of your replies - very helpful especially as Ancestry is persisting in giving me hints for a William Henry Noakes rather than Cyril J L Noakes - have reported the issue to them already.
Will follow up on FindMyPast as well now and also more Sailings particularly in 1923 from UK to Africa.
Again many thanks.
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Re Ethel Lilian.
As previously posted she 1st married Cyril John Laugham Noakes in 1911. She is mentioned on his RN documents. He died 23rd September 1957 South Africa.
She then appears to have married as Burroughs in 1930 Romford to a William H Noakes
This begs the questions
1 Did Cyril & Ethel divorce.
2 Did Ethel marry a Mr Burroughs in South Africa as cannot find a UK marriage
John
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Hallo John
Thank you for your help and information.
I might have confused matters by adding that to Ethel's profile on my tree in ancestry.com. I know from her letters to my mother that she remained in Africa after emigrating and she always signed her name as Mrs R F Noakes - which is where some of the misunderstandings have arisen. Her handwriting was atrocious though and it could be that I misinterpreted her signature and thus added incorrect information to her original profile. As far as I can tell at present, she was never married to a William H Noakes and in consequence to a Mr Burroughs.
Unfortunately whilst trying to amend the details of her husband, I deleted her profile instead! Now trying to rectify her disappearance from my tree and find most if not all of the information and sources I had attached to her with difficulty as Ancestry seems to be having a lot of problems today - they have twice insisted that her birth and baptism in 1890 was incorrect as her mother wasn't of child-bearing age - although her mother is shown as being 29 and born 1861!
I have been relatively lucky that I do belong to FTM19 and did sync all their information with ancestry about a month ago so do have some of the relevant facts and information to hand. The personal information gained from letters will have to be found amongst all my files now unfortunately so that won't be straight forward as I have a lot of filing to catch up on!
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Hi, just a small observation. In one of Gregors trips abroad in 1916 to the USA he is recorded as being born in Scotland. With the naming pattern of his children I am inclined for this to be the case.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/9128/images/41257_318771-00299?pId=57820
John
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In one of Gregors trips abroad in 1916 to the USA he is recorded as being born in Scotland
Not exactly. He says that his race is "Scotch". The place of birth column (on the other page which on Ancestry is the previous image) is left blank.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/9128/images/41257_318771-00298?pId=57820
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ShaunJ and johnhood - this birthplace has been very puzzling as to whether it is England, Scotland or New Zealand throughout this topic and your discussion is a prime example of this quandary.
I am pleased to say with the suggestions given previously, I have now discovered most if not all of Cyril John Laugham Noakes career with the Navy from 1900-1919 and there is even a mention in UK, Navy Lists of him in 1937. I am now certain that he is the husband of Ethel Lillian May Hammond and the father of Muriel Betty Noakes so glad to say that with everyone's help on this topic, I am making progress - maybe slowly but will continue to try to track this family down from 1920 onwards in Africa.
Thanks again everyone
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Apologies. I should have added in earlier post that when Cyril & Ethel emigrated in 1923 Muriel is listed with them.
Also just had a quick look at 1921 census and they are all together as a family in Portsmouth.
An image of Muriel's baptism with a dob as well on FindMyPast
1960 departure & returnfor Muriel from South Africa to UK. Confirms Murial's dob as per baptism and her occupation.
https://search.findmypast.com/record?id=TNA%2FBT27%2F1910%2F00%2F0002%2FC%2F0076F&parentid=TNA%2FBT27%2F1910000002%2F00485
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FBT27%2F1910%2F00%2F0002%2FP%2F0010F&parentid=TNA%2FBT27%2F1910000002%2F00190
John
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Thank you johnhood -
I thought I was an early bird wanting to resume my researching but you have beaten me to it -
will look at these links you have mentioned
- I have FindMyPast so hopefully will find them without too many problems
Downloaded very late last night 3 files from National Archives relating to Cyril's naval career and was delighted to discover that this service is still free at present.
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An Update on my research as I have just received the Marriage Certificate from the GRO of Gregor Aubrey Graham's wedding to Mabel Fannie Hammond.
His father is shown as Aubrey Graham (deceased) and his Profession/Rank/Occupation as Squatter in New Zealand. Though it could be Squatier also - but haven't been able to find that via Google as an occupation!
I have also contacted the Kenya Society and the Nairobi Railway Museum - long shots but worth a go I thought.
In consequence I think I will have to now post a topic on the New Zealand Board researching his father and hopefully trace his mother also - if that is allowable? - hopefully ok as it is another section.
John - as yet have only found Muriel Betty's departure from the UK on 26 November 1960 - not her arrival and would be very glad of a pointer as I haven't had any luck with FindMyPast or Ancestry yet - could just be me though! Thanks to you though, I have found all the other sources you gave me.
Also John, your comment about Gregor Aubrey's sailings from Australia 1890 to 1913 sound very likely and will now follow these up as well.
I am still trying to find out more about Leslie Aubrey as well so would be very grateful if anyone can give me further help as regards him after his move to Uganda.
Cheers, best wishes and thanks again - Samanthator/Viv Winterburn
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The search continues. Thank you for letting everyone know the details of the marriage certificate.
John
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References to Leslie in Uganda:
"Kob are increasing in numbers near Katunguru and below Muhokya as in these two areas they can be closely watched. In the latter area this is largely due to the past efforts of Mr. C. O. Lemon, Honorary
Game Ranger, and the present efforts of Mr. Leslie Graham. "
(Annual report of the Game and Fisheries Department for the year ended 31st December 1951, page 12)
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Director (with the executors of C O Lemon) of Toro ?? company in 1955: https://tinyurl.com/7mm4cb2p
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"Leslie Graham , a lonely man reduced to scraping a living from a lime quarry at Mohokya , his only solace the bottle ."
https://tinyurl.com/yyvu3eza
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"The Gluepot bar...haunt of the hard drinking coterie of Toro planters.....Squash Lemon and Leslie Graham"
https://tinyurl.com/x5mw73s7
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"We arrived at Muhokya at midday , and Leslie Graham , wearing as always a battered pith helmet , welcomed us" ( The Shamba Raiders: Memories of a Game Warden in Uganda; Brusce Kinloch, page 194
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"GRAHAM , Leslie Aubrey Hammond , P.O. Muhokay [Should that be Muhokya?] Nyanza Textile Industries . via Fort Portal : Toro Lime Co" (Saben's Directory 1955)
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Thank you yet again - John and ShaunJ
John - I have emailed you re George - think I went wrong trying to message you so apologies
ShaunJ - So many links to Leslie - wonderful - will follow them up asap.
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An Update on current situation of my research into the Graham Family, with thanks again for all the help I have received so far and suggestions as to where I might further my investigations. It reminded me just to google the names concerned and I have made some progress.
Sir Gregor Aubrey or Aubrey Gregor Graham - now checking FindMyPast for any sailings to and from UK and Nigeria before 1913.
His wife - Mabel Fannie - intending to visit Somerset & Devon Archives sometime next month to confirm all records. None of course between 1939 and her death but that is to be expected.
His elder son - Leslie Aubrey Hammond - Thank you John for all the Links - have added all the records to his profile but still not found evidence of his death.
His daughter - Monica Audrey Freda - not found her marriage yet but have discovered that she renounced her married name Preddy on 27 May 1952 as per General Notice No 1262 of the Kenyan Gazette which proves that the information of her death under her maiden name and her life back in Somerset is valid. Still have gaps between 1921 to 1952 and then to 1992. Will hopefully find more when I visit the relevant Archives.
Monica's husband - Frank Sayer Preddy - found nothing to date but haven't worked on his profile yet as more concerned in completing others in this family so far.
Younger son - George Angus Ian - have discovered (with Rootschat contributors expert assistance) most if not all of his records - so thank you again.
His Father - Aubrey Graham - yet to post a topic on New Zealand section - won't worry too much as really just want some information as to prove birth of Sir GA/Ag in New Zealand - trying to not go down to many rabbit holes.
Mabel's sister - my Great-Aunt Ethel Lillian May - Interested in finding more about her life in Northern Transvaal and South Africa - still to clarify whether she was ever married to a Burroughs.
Her husband - Cyril - have as much information on him as I think is necessary for my Family History research.
Their daughter - Muriel Betty - Don't know when she died as yet but am fairly certain that she never married as my mother's research showed her to be single and I have no reason to doubt this.
I have been delighted to find out so much about my granny's sisters and their families - have made more progress in the past week than I had in 8 years of research - I will certainly use Rootschat more often in the future and recommend this site to members of my u3a Family History Group and other friends as well.
Viv Winterburn
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Credit must go to ShaunJ for info on Leslie Aubrey, well found
John
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Another probable hit for Leslie Graham in Uganda:
"After crashing about for another half hour Leslie Graham suggested we should return, as he had left the bottle back at the house ."
https://tinyurl.com/3amrf8mu
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Thank you once more ShaunL for this link - added it to my Family History profile of him.
I have now registered with Google Books so I can hopefully find more information about Leslie - so grateful ShaunL for all your research in this area.
I have also emailed NARSSA about Ethel (as per the Reference No supplied earlier in this topic), Cyril and Muriel's whereabouts and deaths.
I now intend to contact the relevant Archives for Kenya and Uganda in the hope to see if they are willing and able to supply any information relating to Aubrey Gregor, Leslie and Monica.
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JohnHood - thank you so much for -
setting me on the path of hunting down the newspaper article in the Exeter & Plymouth Gazette in 1940 - obtained it via FindMyPast & have finally finished adding all the information about all of the members of the Graham Family mentioned to their various profiles.
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Many thanks for such a comprehensive summary, Viv.
And I agree - well found ShaunJ and johnhood. Using those forgotten skills you’ve prompted here are a few extra details and observations regarding Monica and Leslie:
Monica:
- address in Kitale on 6 Jan 1948 per Sir Aubrey’s death notice
- appears in the Kenya Gazette (searchable online) Nov 1949-Jul 1952 regarding at least two land grant applications in Kitale. The first (issues 51/55 and 52/11) for an acre for residential purposes appears to be withdrawn, in the second (issues 52/27 and 54/44) the State appears to refuse a land grant of 321 acres, which was taken to the Court of Appeal.
- There’s also a photo of Monica (sadly not accessible online) at the Kitale Air Show in 1951 (Old Africa Magazine Issues 1-7, p25).
Leslie: nothing more substantive to add, but have you considered contacting Caro Ayre, who holds Peter Ayre’s collection of public and private documents which form the europeansinafrica database? That’s the only place the date of 2000 is mentioned for Leslie’s death (under his father’s entry) and it may be from a notice in the Kenyan press. Caro ‘is willing to answer queries’ and may be able to tell you what sources Peter was using for relatively recent updates to the data. I can’t post the personal email here but you can find it via this link: https://en.gravatar.com/caroayre
Also, although it may not lead directly to Leslie’s death, have you consulted Mabel Fannie and Monica’s wills? They might provide you with an idea of whether he was alive at the time.
Good luck with the next steps,
Helen
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ShaunJ - more thanks for encouraging me to investigate Google Books, europeansineastafrica.co.uk and the Kenyan Gazette issues through the years.
I have now found the dates of Frank's and Monica's divorce and the name and birth of their daughter, Jean thanks to your hints.
Thank you Helen for your comments - and your advice about contacting Caro Ayre and to search all the relevant wills.
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samanthator, good morning. The below is for "speculative notes" only.
Frank Sayer Preddy. A slightly unusual second christian name. In 1862 a John Sayer Preddy is born in Somerset UK. He migrates to South Africa and marries as link 1 dies as link 2.
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https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CDF4-K46Z
2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91H-6S25-K?i=1540&cc=2517051
Cannot find evidence that he had a son Frank, there is this death that you may have seen.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91V-99TF-V?cc=3732506&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A89FG-912M
John
Added:, just found this, The death of Frank & Monica's daughter Margaret Jean. Note the father is recorded as G Frank Preddy. The G may be an error as was the entry going on to say Monica G and been crossed out.
Timelines, Monica born 1913, Margaret Jean 19.10.1934, so any potential marriage for Monica c 1931-34
confirmation of Margaret Gores son A C (see mother's maiden name) + another son Ross Angus J listed with same mmn
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=BMD%2FOVS%2FABR1%2F001829&parentid=BMD%2FOVS%2FABR1%2F001829%2F013
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Ross Angus J Gore.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ5F-VRCX
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ5F-VRCX
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/33812053:60901?
tid=&pid=&queryId=1274c515888db1af902745be507860e9&_phsrc=Szc28766&_phstart=successSource
John
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The description of the Noakes’ arrival and life in North Transvaal in the source below is based on an oral history interview given by (Muriel) Betty in 1998.
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Townspeople_of_the_Soutpansberg.html?id=vvswAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y
Townspeople of the Soutpansberg: A Centenary History of Louis Trichardt, Johann W.N. Tempelhoff, 1999, pp85ff + picture of Stonehenge, the family farm p76
Ethel May is only mentioned here in connection with her family but it seems she was a librarian at the Public Library in Louis Trichardt. She appears to have qualified and become a member of the South Africa Library Association.
Betty is mentioned again on p375 in relation to the farm school she financed. There’s much more in a warm and detailed obituary for her - she died on 27 Nov 2011 at the age of 98.
https://www.limpopomirror.co.za/articles/news/10123/2011-12-05/legendary-betty-noakes-passes-away
and finally here’s a follow up from last year, 2021, on Betty’s legacy.
https://www.limpopomirror.co.za/articles/news/54700/2021-07-31/bettyas-legacy-lives-on-through-first-for-africa-mri-scanner
Hope these help build your picture of life in North Transvaal.
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Just a quick thank you as have been away with my brother (over from Oz) so will catch up later this week but wanted you all to know how grateful I am for your info so that you know I'm not ignoring all the wonderful progress made during the last few days.
Thank you.
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Just wanted to add that I will be following up the new information and asking for more help in due course, but unfortunately I tested for Covid a few days ago and haven't been up to doing any Family History since and still not feeling well enough to do so at present.
Thank you for not closing this topic and thank you for all the help I have received to date.
Viv
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Hi Viv, sorry to here you have had covid. Take your time and recover fully and pick up research when health is fully restored.
John
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Hello Viv,
Really sorry to hear you have the virus. Yes, look after yourself first and best wishes for a full recovery.
Helen
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Thank you John and Helen - am improving thankfully slowly but surely
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Hi all - am finally ok and hoping that I can pick up all the info all of you have so kindly provided for me in the next week - thanks Viv
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Hi -
Another update to say I haven't forgotten this thread - I have been slightly diverted due to the information I have gained from Rootschat about Cyril John Laugham Noakes, his wife, my Great-Aunt, Ethel Lillian May Hammond and their daughter, Muriel Betty Hammond Noakes and their lives in South Africa.
I am thrilled to say that thanks to all your help I have found out so much more about my mother's first cousin, Betty Noakes, and have been updating my Family Tree on Ancestry with the information obtained - especially from the Limpopo Mirror.
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Hi - lli1133 - A very special thankyou to you now as today I have finally managed to gain access to the 'Townspeople of the Soutpansberg: A Centenary History of Louis Trichardt' by Johann W.N. Tempelhoff - wonderful to have a photo of Stonehenge and the information given by Betty.
I had always assumed that the Noakes named their farm Stonehenge but the photo and related information shows it was known by that name before they moved to LT in 1923.
It has been great to learn more about the family's move to South Africa and their life there - especially as I can now read my great-aunt's letters to my mother with a clearer idea of the context of hers and Betty's lives in S.A.